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AMD Radeon Boss Raja Koduri Jumps Ship

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Yeah, right.

If they sell the Radeon Group, no more APU's, no more console Chips.
All it would leave them with is Ryzen.

AMD is fine, this is a small bump in the road, and people are imagining wierd things, without thinking.

AMD is selling CPU's and GPU's just fine.
They just aren't as big as Intel or Nvidia.
With the money that they would get from selling the RTG they would be able to improve their CPU segment and be competitive as they were before with the Athlon 64 ;) . What AMD is able to do right now is just to offer decent products in both segments but nothing spectacular. IMO if they focus on only creating great CPU's they should do just fine without the GPU side of the business and if Intel decides to invest in the GPU business they have the potential and capital to make it work ;)
Just an opinion
 
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If you are going in the programm setting tab, you can change the v-sync value for chrome and opera. And I though that the DSR issue had already been discussed in the nvidia driver thread, were it worked fine for most people and the one other guy that had an issue with it managed to make it work without a reboot. For me it's working fine without a reboot, so you can't call this a generality. The only thing that seems to be a common issue for most users is the v-sync, and the slugginess of the Nvcp.

And neither can you if this shit keeps remaining after multiple total OS reinstalls across multiple Windows releases. Especially when it did work fine to one point when I owned GTX 980 and then it became broken. And I sure as hell won't be setting stupid settings after every damn driver update for stupid browsers specifically when this crap wasn't broken before without any adjustments and now is. THEY need to fix their shit. I know how people are and 3/4 of them don't even know their 144Hz mega ultra screen isn't even running at 144Hz with DSR. Or how they don't even spot video tearing. Or they simply don't care. That doesn't mean I'm at the wrong if product is clearly broken, but people don't seem to care. I care. Especially when you pay this much and it's all screwed up.
 
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With the money that they would get from selling the RTG they would be able to improve their CPU segment and be competitive as they were before with the Athlon 64 ;) . What AMD is able to do right now is just to offer decent products in both segments but nothing spectacular. IMO if they focus on only creating great CPU's they should do just fine without the GPU side of the business and if Intel decides to invest in the GPU business they have the potential and capital to make it work ;)
Just an opinion

Except their GPUs is what kept them afloat.
 
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Which exemplifies nothing more than sheer luck , let's put an end to this illusion about "perfect Nvidia drivers".

Nvidia has it's fair share of problems and issues and it's not necessarily their fault , these things have garnered so much complexity you have to be really ignorant to believe nothing ever goes wrong.
Sure, they have occasional issues, but I personally haven't had any problems with their drivers for over two years. I do very little game playing these days though, and I use Edge. It's like the popular opinion of Raja that everyone seems to have... limited in scope, and not seeing the full picture.
 
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Expect their GPUs is what kept them afloat.
But can you tell me what got them into this situation in the first place, isn't that acquiring the ATI Radeon ?
 
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But can you tell me what got the into this situation in the first place, isn't that acquiring the ATI Radeon ?

I think that's what saved them. At the time they were getting crushed by Intel and their anti-competitive practices. They needed a new market where the playing-ground was even. They sure as hell got their return on investment , you may think they paid an exorbitant amount of money but what people don't realize is that it takes dozens or even hundreds or millions of dollars just to keep the company going.

Unlike the idea some people have , AMD proved to be quite flexible and smart with their moves.
 
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But can you tell me what got the into this situation in the first place, isn't that acquiring the ATI Radeon ?
I think it was more Intel preventing them from cashing in on AthlonXP and Athlon64. Though blowing all that cash on ATI and then selling the mobile division to Qualcomm right before smartphones took off didn't help either.
 
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I think that's what saved them. At the time they were getting crushed by Intel and their anti-competitive practices. They needed a new market where the playing-ground was even.

Unlike the idea some people have , AMD proved to be quite flexible and smart with their moves.
I don't think blowing 5.4 bil $ on ATI was the best move honestly
 
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I edited my comment to make it more clear on that front , basically it wasn't that much money in the grand scheme of things.
 
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I still think they should've considered other options but that is just me...who knows what would've happened
 
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As for the "never seen any NV CP glitches". C'mon, go into the main graphics settings, scroll all the way down, change something and click apply. Not that it takes freaking 5 seconds to apply, the whole menu will also jump back to the top every single god damn time.
Lol I just did it, it took maybe 2 seconds to apply (talk about splitting hairs) and it didn't go back to the top, I've never seen it do that. I've just done it three times to be sure and it never goes back to the top, it stays the line you edited. DSR works flawlessly too, it always has.

Not that I think nvcp is all that great, I'd rather see them come up with something new too.But it's doing its job fine for me.

you're really out of luck if NOTHING works for your 800 euro toy.

Anyway,let's not be two morons who steer this discussion off topic.
 
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I edited my comment to make it more clear on that front , basically it wasn't that much money in the grand scheme of things.
$5.4bn (at 2006 value) wasn't that much money? AMD's combined market cap didn't reach $5.4bn till Aug'16.
 
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$5.4bn (at 2006 value) wasn't that much money? AMD's combined market cap didn't reach $5.4bn till Aug'16.
It wasn't, sure the price was inflated considering that the market peaked in 2007 but it also had something to do with a certain Hector Ruiz(?) IIRC. If the global meltdown didn't happen in 2008 & the PC market continued to grow at the rate at which it did in the last 5 years, the ATI buyout would've paid itself off, also the Bulldozer fiasco & Intel's contra revenues hurt them a lot.

It was a large mix of things that got AMD into a position they're in today but the ATI buyout wasn't the leading factor, not even in the top 3 I'd say.
 
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It wasn't, sure the price was inflated considering the the market peaked in 2007 but it also had something to do with a certain Hector Ruiz(?) IIRC. If the global meltdown didn't happen in 2008 & the PC market continued to grow at the rate at which it did in the last 5 years, the ATI buyout would've paid itself off, also the Bulldozer fiasco & Intel's contra revenues hurt them a lot.

It was a large mix of things that got AMD into a position they're in today but the ATI buyout wasn't the leading factor, not even in the top 3 I'd say.
Oh, I agree. I also said it's not what got them into trouble. But in hindsight, it was still a drag before the GPU division started carrying the whole thing.
 

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you may want to ask @fullinfusion what maybe coming down the turnpike because he is our own inhouse driver tester.
Nvidia also has the OverWatch problem but yet everybody blames AMD..

Then who knows and I can't really say what Raja is up to... Maybe it has something to do with McM with Vega integrated onto an Intel chip??

Could AMD and Intel be working together? I guess we'll all find out soon enough :p
 
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Lol I just did it, it took maybe 2 seconds to apply (talk about splitting hairs) and it didn't go back to the top, I've never seen it do that. I've just done it three times to be sure and it never goes back to the top, it stays the line you edited. DSR works flawlessly too, it always has.

Not that I think nvcp is all that great, I'd rather see them come up with something new too.But it's doing its job fine for me.

you're really out of luck if NOTHING works for your 800 euro toy.

Anyway,let's not be two morons who steer this discussion off topic.

Yeah, it must be my system and my system alone. Bullshit. I know how clueless people are, they don't even see that things are broken as they brokenly roll around in front of their eyes...
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
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Lisa took over the reigns, cracked the whip and pointed the ship. Now, she brings someone in to lead dollowing the star she put in the sky. Raja heads off to Intel for AI. :p
Well..............................

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https://twitter.com/ryanshrout/status/928342985422471169
 
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Presumably Intel Graphics IP will get more formidable in the coming years thanks to the Rajmeister too, spells doom all round and explains the stop gap solution with AMD selling their soul to the devil.

Or maybe he just wanted a pay rise and less headaches.
 

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Presumably Intel Graphics IP will get more formidable in the coming years thanks to the Rajmeister too, spells doom all round and explains the stop gap solution with AMD selling their soul to the devil.

Or maybe he just wanted a pay rise and less headaches.
I'm a little confused. By "more formidable" do you mean "unable to compete at the high end" or "will draw 50% more power than comparable parts from competitors"?
I'm joking, of course, but objectively speaking if you look at AMD's GPUs before Raja, they were actually doing better than either Polaris or Vega ever did.
 
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I'm a little confused. By "more formidable" do you mean "unable to compete at the high end" or "will draw 50% more power than comparable parts from competitors"?
I'm joking, of course, but objectively speaking if you look at AMD's GPUs before Raja, they were actually doing better than either Polaris or Vega ever did.

Let me put it this way, Intel aren't really into doing AMD any favours either:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1201...ete-gpus-hires-raja-koduri-as-chief-architect

Naturally I find it amusing the next Macbook is somehow the end of Nvidia.... and people say I'm in denial.
 

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The end of nvidia? Have you checked the worldwide market share of the Macbook? Plus, Raja has worked for Apple, too. That didn't scare Nvidia at all.

I'm joking, of course. It's sweet and weird to see AMD fans happy that AMD have got into bed with the devil.
 

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I'm joking, of course. It's sweet and weird to see AMD fans happy that AMD have got into bed with the devil.
If it brings home the bacon, why not? It's not even unprecedented, just look at how many things Samsung builds for Apple and they're not only competitors, but actually sue each other for billions. Business is a weird creature.
If there's anything amusing about this, it's people lining up behind company X because they will never, never ever do evil Y like rival company Z does. Newsflash: as soon as it become profitable, they'll do it :D

Edit: And I really didn't get you were joking before ;)
 
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