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I just wanna talk about the looks of windows 10.

So I really like all the new features and start menu I mean it all runs fast and sweet and has tons of new apps and goodies just one thing struck me as odd.
It looks like a five year old kid designed all the icons and menu displays in windows.
The posted screen shots say it all. No flare NO artistic quality at all, Nothing like the previous few OS's, Like they reverted to original windows. Windows 95 looked fancier.
So my question is why? Did they really think about this? It's like the quality of the OS is far better than ever yet the looks are far worse than ever.
Is it just me or did they sacrifice visual and aesthetically pleasing for speed and functionality? it's almost like they just couldn't combine the 2 yet.
Maybe it's just me but I think it could look a bit more aesthetically pleasing.
What do you think? After all the years of improvements why this?
 

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I think it makes it more user friendly to people who are new to computers.

Although to us it's like wtf is this mess.
 
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They were going for a smooth, clean, modern look. Kind of like what Apple does.. Neutral colors, minimalist design, low frills...

...They failed miserably....
 

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They were going for a smooth, clean, modern look. Kind of like what Apple does.. Neutral colors, minimalist design, low frills...

...They failed miserably....
lol!
 

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What do you think? After all the years of improvements why this?
It's a modern fad. Just look at Nougat icons comparing to JB as an example, or the new iOS interface comparing to older iOS6, and you'll notice lots of similarities (everything is as flat as ballerina's boobs).
 
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you have to keep in mind that windows 10 was designed for all devices afaik ,Xbox as well as phones & tablets and desktops. so you kind of get a little bit of that "touchscreen" clutter flavor when you may not want to. There is customizations and modifications that you can get to alter the taskbar. my windows 10 looks more like Windows 7 than anything else tbh
 
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They were going for a smooth, clean, modern look...minimalist design, low frills...
...They failed miserably....
No, they didn't fail all. They were going for exactly what you described, and they accomplished just that.

The minimalist design with low frills is really the important part.
  • More and more people are moving to smaller screens and hand held devices. A minimalist design fits those screens better.
  • And more and more of those devices rely on cell based networking so low frills to minimize data usage was also a requirement for better wireless speeds and lower data usage/costs.
  • And because it just makes good business sense to have a uniform and familiar user interface across all platforms, and to make it easier (less expensive) to port apps from one platform to the other, going with a minimalist, low frills approach is just the better option.
Note that "modern" is just a marketing term. And in reality, aesthetics (one way or another) does not improve or degrade performance. So while I too miss the more visually pleasing aesthetics of Windows 7 and Office 2007 and other apps of that era, I do understand and appreciate the reasoning for the looks of the current offerings.

And actually, it does not take long to get totally used to the new looks either.

Edit add: jboydgolfer just beat me to it, so consider my post just an affirmation of what he said. ;)
 
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No, they didn't fail all. They were going for exactly what you described, and they accomplished just that.

The minimalist design with low frills is really the important part.
  • More and more people are moving to smaller screens and hand held devices. A minimalist design fits those screens better.
  • And more and more of those devices rely on cell based networking so low frills to minimize data usage was also a requirement for better wireless speeds and lower data usage/costs.
  • And because it just makes good business sense to have a uniform and familiar user interface across all platforms, and to make it easier (less expensive) to port apps from one platform to the other, going with a minimalist, low frills approach is just the better option.
Note that "modern" is just a marketing term. And in reality, aesthetics (one way or another) does not improve or degrade performance. So while I too miss the more visually pleasing aesthetics of Windows 7 and Office 2007 and other apps of that era, I do understand and appreciate the reasoning for the looks of the current offerings.

And actually, it does not take long to get totally used to the new looks either.

Edit add: jboydgolfer just beat me to it, so consider my post just an affirmation of what he said. ;)

That's all well and good, and I understand all the reasoning. But that doesn't mean it doesn't look like crap... in the eye of the beholder, of course.
 
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I just posted the solution to visuals in windows 10, two threads below

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...709-without-modifying-any-system-file.240836/
Yes there are ways to change the back ground and customize the look some but no way to change the windows settings menu at all. it is what it is and well that is unacceptable on any device!
See that screen below?
YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THE LOOKS ! It looks like (Pardon me for this) Crap!

Oh and WOW excellent conversation love the amazing articulate comments.
Thank you so much keep them going.
 

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Actually in next windows release, rs4, fluent design is going more strong all around the modern apps and settings, i.e. the transparency and the super new design language. Also, in settings and any modern app I am getting the title bar look exactly as I want, aero like windows 7 and any theme is compatible, so even in modern settings, the caption buttons and title bar theming is supported by modern frame dll which is included in the distributive I linked to.
 
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Yeah they needed to get a unified look across their platforms of mobile, semi mobile, and desktop choices; I think they did a decent job as of now but when 8 first hit it was pretty messy. Things are heading in the right direction now.
 
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Cant live in windows 10 without classic shell, oldnewexplorer, 3rd party themes, aero glass, windows update mini tool, winaero tweaker, classic calculator, classic msconfig, win 7 classic games for win 10, desktop gadgets, and more.
 
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I tought the same thing when I first switch. But just like any OS change you get use to it. The point is it works
 

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I tought the same thing when I first switch. But just like any OS change you get use to it. The point is it works
Just not the point of the thread, But yes it works.
Also WE shouldn't have to get used to it they should listen to the customers. Not sure they are.
 
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I tought the same thing when I first switch. But just like any OS change you get use to it. The point is it works
Right, plus supporting Windows 10 is just the same ole same ole.....I think for me it is a bit more stable than 7 but that's opinion and opinions can be flawed.
YOU CAN NOT CHANGE THE LOOKS ! It looks like (Pardon me for this) Crap!
EDIT...And yes I loath the Windows Settings front page and for that matter the sub pages too, but I'm use to it now.
 
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Well its better with W10 compared to 8.
I never really understood why didn`t Microsoft bought Stardock and incorporated their Windows Blinds software into windows so that we can have proper themeing.
Other misteries are why do you have to stare at hard colors in desktop.Makes sense to mobile with all those tiny and mostly crappy screens.Flat design is just another word for dull,boring,uninspired.
Its interesting how the control pannel doesn`t have all the controls.
 

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Without having read all the posts I don't really see the issue. It's not like Windows 7 was much clearer, just different.
 
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To be perfectly honest Windows 10 looks better than any previous version by far. I cannot stand skeuomorphism , give me flat icons and UI elements with a little bit of transparency here and there and it's perfect for me.
 
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I liked xp and vista ui a lot better
 
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It looks like a five year old kid designed all the icons and menu displays in windows.

I worked in UX (user experience design and product design) for 11 years, and know that it's akin to a sausage factory. The new trend is to hire kids out of school who have "design degrees" to make this stuff. There are so many flaws in things MS did with Win 10, I can't even begin.

The big thing they were trying to accomplish was mimic the simplicity of a smartphone, since that was their main target market (actually it was both). Hence the "clean minimalist" look. But in doing so, they lost sight of the DNA of windows.... Want to use the scroll bar now? First, try to find it... then try to click on it and use it. It takes work, and it's not supposed to.

Anyway, I could go on, but I won't. I feel your pain.
 
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No, they didn't fail all. They were going for exactly what you described, and they accomplished just that.

The minimalist design with low frills is really the important part.
  • More and more people are moving to smaller screens and hand held devices. A minimalist design fits those screens better.
  • And more and more of those devices rely on cell based networking so low frills to minimize data usage was also a requirement for better wireless speeds and lower data usage/costs.
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Note that "modern" is just a marketing term. And in reality, aesthetics (one way or another) does not improve or degrade performance. So while I too miss the more visually pleasing aesthetics of Windows 7 and Office 2007 and other apps of that era, I do understand and appreciate the reasoning for the looks of the current offerings.

And actually, it does not take long to get totally used to the new looks either.

Edit add: jboydgolfer just beat me to it, so consider my post just an affirmation of what he said. ;)

Have to agree completely with this. I really do fancy the W10 GUI right now. Start Menu is better than ever... and power user stuff is just hidden a bit better but still there. Really, this is what Windows should look like: neutral! You can do with it whatever you please, you can just find a nice color to go with your favorite backgrounds and done. Its also a whole lot better at scaling.

Now that whole metro UI Tiles thingy, that I don't like at all. Its like watching a billboard. Horrible.

I mean look, this, in my mind, is just glorious in terms of a Start Menu.
W10UI.jpg
 

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Have to agree completely with this. I really do fancy the W10 GUI right now. Start Menu is better than ever... and power user stuff is just hidden a bit better but still there. Really, this is what Windows should look like: neutral! You can do with it whatever you please, you can just find a nice color to go with your favorite backgrounds and done. Its also a whole lot better at scaling.

Now that whole metro UI Tiles thingy, that I don't like at all. Its like watching a billboard. Horrible.

I mean look, this, in my mind, is just glorious in terms of a Start Menu.View attachment 96294
Till you see this.
 

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