Intel Warned China of Meltdown and Spectre Before the US Government

[Space Lynx]

BTW, this reminded me of another aspect of Intel <=> US govt. relationship. Last year Trump signed something-something-piece-of-paper regarding approval of Intel's new 7nm fab in AZ. Maybe that's why US officials are really mad about not being the first in line of communication

Yep, I remember seeing a pic of all Intel exec's at White House standing behind Trump smiling as he signed paper for their new 7nm factory in Arizona. What a joke. I'll be going AMD next build even if it means I take a performance hit. Screw Intel.

 

[Vayra86]

Probably this one
Intel Warned Chinese Companies of Chip Flaws Before U.S. Government - WSJ


Looking at Intel prices. Looking at FPS counter. Still faster than AMD.
Reaction: "I love Intel"
Needing to upgrade motherboard to upgrade processor. Looking at FPS counter. Still faster than AMD.
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Hearing about Intel's monopolistic tactics. Looking at FPS counter. Still faster than AMD.
Reaction: "I love Intel"
Hearing about security problems in Intel processors. Looking at FPS counter. Still faster than AMD.
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Hearing that Intel informed Chinese before US government. Looking at FPS counter. Still faster than AMD.
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Thanks. Shame you had to add the second part though

 

[Space Lynx]

@john_said actually Intel and AMD are about the same on max FPS with the same gpu once you hit 1440p and 4k gaming. Intel is only faster at 1080p. and if you game at 1080p on PC still... I feel very very sorry for you. lol

 

[Fx]

US / NSA already know and been using it for 15 years no need to be informed, they are most likely the paid contractor for this backdoor to be part of the design in the first place... too bad... these three backdoors are compromised... hope the groups that found this flaw are not going to assassinated by the NSA, stay alive guys.

You aren't the only one with knowledge of how the world really works.

 

[eidairaman1]

US / NSA already know and been using it for 15 years no need to be informed, they are most likely the paid contractor for this backdoor to be part of the design in the first place... too bad... these three backdoors are compromised... hope the groups that found this flaw are not going to assassinated by the NSA, stay alive guys.

Holy tinfoil hat.

I was going to compliment you on your tinfoil conspiracy defense hat, yet here ya are, online.

No, pretty sure all of it.

I wonder how many will still back Intel after these revelations, tbh not surprising for me at all.
The same was said before the Snowden revelations, at this point in time nothing should surprise anyone. Such state secrets however, rarely come out in the open.

Is this like some reach around way of excusing Intel?

This doesn't look good for Intel.

Some will probably think/say intel are supporting the "commies" over the US.

USA Congress only cares about their own bank accounts, doubt they even care about this news or even pursue in investigation. lol

When their money starts being compromised yoy bet they will get an investigation going.

By the way @cmmw, @lynx29

Read this link here.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...rosoft-and-amazon-for-spectre-secrecy.241032/

 

[john_]

Shame you had to add the second part though

No one is perfect

@john_said actually Intel and AMD are about the same on max FPS with the same gpu once you hit 1440p and 4k gaming. Intel is only faster at 1080p. and if you game at 1080p on PC still... I feel very very sorry for you. lol

Intel is faster, in general, in games, but when increasing resolutions, things does get more balanced. And there you can consider a Ryzen a better option, for various reasons, not FPS of course. Now if you think that resolution is what makes a game good or bad, then I feel sorry for you. A good game can be enjoyable even at 720p. If resolution and quality settings alone can ruin your gaming experience, then I don't think you really play games. You just enjoy the visuals, which is something completely different.

 

[R-T-B]

The same was said before the Snowden revelations, at this point in time nothing should surprise anyone. Such state secrets however, rarely come out in the open.

Has Snowden really become a blank check for every conspiracy theory ever, even ones that don't add up?

 

[Fx]

Has Snowden really become a blank check for every conspiracy theory ever, even ones that don't add up?

No, many people were aware of conspiracy truths well before the Snowden fiasco and many of us never even reference Snowden because conspiracies happen and are carried out every day. They aren't a secret. Many people just prefer convenient truth because conspiracies (if believed to be true by them) would turn their world upside down.

I never disrespect anyone for not being aware that many conspiracies are true. Everyone has their own timetable to absorb, unravel and digest events. The media has fed us many lies and its all interwoven insomuch that "truths" are built upon other "truths". To question one thing is to question everything. Therein lies the rub.

We've gotten way off topic.

 

[R-T-B]

I don't deny there may be some conspiracy truths, but as far as likely ones go I find this one piss poor.

 

[Fx]

I don't deny there may be some conspiracy truths

Aye, and I don't believe in every conspiracy presented; that would be quite foolish.

What we do know as fact is that the NSA is largely responsible for both the creation and the request for backdoors. After all, this is how they glean our data to store in their fancy datacenters like the one in Buffalo, Utah.

 

[R-T-B]

Aye, and I don't believe in every conspiracy presented; that would be quite foolish.

What we do know as fact is that the NSA is largely responsible for both the creation and the request for backdoors. After all, this is how they glean our data to store in their fancy datacenters like the one in Buffalo, Utah.

Oh, I know. Just understanding the technicalities of the meltdown exploit makes it sound ideal for that. But the dates don't line up. This vulnerability nearly predates the NSA itself.

Spectre on the other hand is way too broad spectrum and "nature of the technology" (it's based on reading memory timings and inferrence) to be anything but an accident, IMO.

 

[R0H1T]

Oh, I know. Just understanding the technicalities of the meltdown exploit makes it sound ideal for that. But the dates don't line up. This vulnerability nearly predates the NSA itself.

Spectre on the other hand is way too broad spectrum and "nature of the technology" (it's based on reading memory timings and inferrence) to be anything but an accident, IMO.

What about CIA, you could argue that NSA is a CIA offshot or spinoff without the hidden daggers? The spectre is more or less by design but as I posted in another thread, a vast number of 0 day vulnerabilities are supposed to have been found first by the US govt agencies ~ IIRC NSA being the prime candidate.

There's no harm in giving them a clean chit, for the time being, but if you just assume they didn't uncover it first ~ then don't ever be surprised if they did considering their reach & history.

 

[lilunxm12]

Did Intel warn Lenova or Alibaba before other US tech giants? If no, I don't understand what's the problem here.
Isn't this a standard practice that warn your close partners first and then roll out the disclosure to general public or government or (insert whatever here)?