GTX 1070 Firmware Overwritten by Malware - Unable to Reset

eidairaman1 · May 18, 2018

This should be Stickied too

R-T-B · May 18, 2018

eidairaman1 said:
This should be Stickied too

Gonna be a news piece if W1zzard lets me, I intend to investigate it to the fullest.

Right now I'm kinda under the weather or I'd be doing the writeup already, honestly.

eidairaman1 · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
Gonna be a news piece if W1zzard lets me, I intend to investigate it to the fullest.

Right now I'm kinda under the weather or I'd be doing the writeup already, honestly.

Been dealing with crud myself.
PS, my signature, does it look right?

biffzinker · May 18, 2018

eidairaman1 said:
PS, my signature, does it look right?

Countryside · May 18, 2018

I would like to commend and thank @R-T-B for his effort and professionalism, you have truly set an example how to help others.

Salute!

R-T-B · May 18, 2018

Countryside said:
I would like to commend and thank @R-T-B for his effort and professionalism, you have truly set an example how to help others.

Salute!

I can't imagine how irritating it must have been for him trying to get help and having everyone think he was a troll. Personally, I'd like to appologize to him for that false assumption. I know, I know... it was really really easy to do and we're all guilty (I mean how often does this happen?) but picture being in his shoes where he frickin PAYS symantec to help him and they basically tell him they think he's full of crap... must've sucked. My sympathies.

Nuckles56 · May 18, 2018

I'll be honest, I certainly fell into that trap yesterday, it just seemed too unreasonable at first sight

bubbleawsome · May 18, 2018

Wow this is some high-level stuff. I remember hearing about a scare a few years back where a BIOS could be infected through wifi, and once one was gone it spread to every other possible device in range. Not just on network, in range of the wireless device. I figured it was a little far out but with something like this happening maybe not....

Glad you guys are fixing it up.

R-T-B · May 18, 2018

bubbleawsome said:
Wow this is some high-level stuff. I remember hearing about a scare a few years back where a BIOS could be infected through wifi, and once one was gone it spread to every other possible device in range. Not just on network, in range of the wireless device. I figured it was a little far out but with something like this happening maybe not....

Glad you guys are fixing it up.

Yeah, it's still a ways from reaching that point. Even this, as advanced as it is, is pretty primitive compared to what that would take...

But honestly, this is illustrating an attack vector I never wanted to think about all the same.

I think bios vendors need to go all pascal and start signing their updates, and I'm a bios modder, so the fact that I am now advocating for that should tell you that I was deeply disturbed by what I found today.

By the way, pieces of it were found in the management engine firmware, which ASUS left conveniently outdated.. Just wow, ASUS/Intel. Wow. Intel antidowngrade is at present attempting to protect a malware infected image. :banghead:

We are calling it quits for tonight because we don't want to try a reinstall with it in the management engine... I'm actually making a modified firmware for him with the management engine disabled right now because this is a case study in how stupid the management engine is.

What my folder for this dissected malware bios currently looks like:

Yep, it's bedtime.

qubit · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
I'm trying to scrub the bios now of malware and force flash it with a dos tool in hopes it won't reload itself.

All his storage devices are infected, like Kaspersky labs reports. His SSD doesn't even identify as genuine anymore. I told him to flash in dos, chuck them, and see if he can boot a clean usb.

This kind of infection has been technically possible for years, so I'm not completely surprised that someone was unlucky enough to get nailed by it.

I think it's about time that mobos and anything else with a BIOS had a hardware write protect link that has to be physically moved to the Write position to enable flashing (same concept as the write protect tab on the old floppy disc, for those of us old enough to remember). Sure, it's a bit of an inconvenience, but otherwise it can mean kissing goodbye to your hardware in many cases. Jeez.

Final_Fighter · May 18, 2018

qubit said:
This kind of infection has been technically possible for years, so I'm not completely surprised that someone was unlucky enough to get nailed by it.

I think it's about time that mobos and anything else with a BIOS had a hardware write protect link that has to be physically moved to the Write position to enable flashing (same concept as the write protect tab on the old floppy disc, for those of us old enough to remember). Sure, it's a bit of an inconvenience, but otherwise it can mean kissing goodbye to your hardware in many cases. Jeez.

this is not a bad idea and should be added as an extra layer of security.

Deleted member 163934 · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
they claim they are from "cannoical" which is a linux distributor

You wrote the name wrong or it's actualy "cannoical"? I'm asking this because the company behind Ubuntu is named Canonical ( https://www.canonical.com/ ) .

So they basicaly gained access to his router/modem due to the fact that the firmware was not update (and they happy stop updating it fast in most cases). They either gained access to his pc after that or they just monitored his traffic and redirected it to some fake sites (they somehow needed to get the informations about his hardware). Decided that his UEFI bios is the right target and basicaly crafted a bios for his machine and flashed that bios.

Basicaly we are talking about an attack that clearly targeted him. Either someone decided that he has valuable informations that they could use (still don't see why would they make it so obvious, I would just steal the stuff I want silently and clean the machine when I got what I wanted without making the user of that machine aware of what I did and the user of that machine will not really figure out because there will be no sign and it will be as it was before after I'm done (no malicious files on his hdd/sdd, bioses clean because I would flash them to the normal ones, router/modem firmware clean because I would reflash it to normal one once i'm done); I put myself in the place of the bad guy and this is how I would do it) or he pissed off the wrong people or if he is having a bussiness someone wanted to cause him financial problems.

The ability to flash bioses in windows (OS level because it applies to Linux also) is a security hole to begin with. It allows bad things to happen way too easy...

delshay · May 18, 2018

If it's that bad, you could flash new firmware for all devices on a new ROM (pre-programmed) on an external programmable device & solder it back to GFX, SSD & motherboard. This way you know their all 100% clean. That's what I would do, but the SSD could be a little bit tricky.

Same can be done to the laptop. Just solder in a new pre-programmed rom along with a new hard drive.

Then I would start to take a closer look at each bit of the old firmware to see what's written (if any).

neatfeatguy · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
I can't imagine how irritating it must have been for him trying to get help and having everyone think he was a troll. Personally, I'd like to appologize to him for that false assumption. I know, I know... it was really really easy to do and we're all guilty (I mean how often does this happen?) but picture being in his shoes where he frickin PAYS symantec to help him and they basically tell him they think he's full of crap... must've sucked. My sympathies.

I've got a couple of friends that work at Veritas. One of them is a mid-level manager and he was happy as hell once Symantec sold off Veritas. He said a lot of the engineers working on the Norton AV department were worthless; not all of them, but a good majority he had worked around. He also said there was a good bit of mismanagement happening behind the scenes, too. It doesn't surprise me if the OP had to deal with some folks at Symantec that were rather clueless or just unwilling to help.

Vayra86 · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
fix them the hard way...

Oh I remember that punch like yesterday. Kudos for these efforts and your insights in the matter. I'm learning things

TheMailMan78 · May 18, 2018

RTB I cant help but think you are making a mistake helping this guy. Call it the Miami in me, but helping strangers with really odd problems never works out well. Ever. Fixing this guys issue might be more than you expect. You might be abiding a crime within a crime. Savvy?

Honestly I would hand this over to the FBI. If its legit they will handle it. If hes not in the US I would still hand it over. Explain exactly what happened and what you did. Be 100% transparent. An infection like this seems to be way more than whats on the surface.

I may disagree with you on dumb topics but, I would hate to see a good member of our community get pinched for trying to do the right thing for the wrong person.

R-T-B · May 18, 2018

Vayra86 said:
Oh I remember that punch like yesterday. Kudos for these efforts and your insights in the matter. I'm learning things

My bios skills are signifigantly better than my thermal paste skills.

TheMailMan78 said:
RTB I cant help but think you are making a mistake helping this guy. Call it the Miami in me, but helping strangers with really odd problems never works out well. Ever. Fixing this guys issue might be more than you expect. You might be abiding a crime within a crime. Savvy?

Honestly I would hand this over to the FBI. If its legit they will handle it. If hes not in the US I would still hand it over. Explain exactly what happened and what you did. Be 100% transparent. An infection like this seems to be way more than whats on the surface.

I know man, and I was suspicious initially too. He WANTS to go to law enforcement though and is cooperating completely. Makes me feel much better.

That, and all the modified modules are from asus or ASMedia. I think he's correct a leak or person in china may have let some source go. I might even be wrong about the one american binary (Intel ME) because it seems the update to it is signed.

TheMailMan78 · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
My bios skills are signifigantly better than my thermal paste skills.

I know man, and I was suspicious initially too. He WANTS to go to law enforcement though and is cooperating completely. Makes me feel much better.

That, and all the modified modules are from asus or asrock. I think he's correct a leak or person in china may have let some source go.

YOU need to go to the FBI. Not him. First man to the boat makes the deals. This could easily get tossed back on to you.

R-T-B · May 18, 2018

TheMailMan78 said:
YOU need to go to the FBI. Not him. First man to the boat makes the deals. This could easily get tossed back on to you.

I have a feeling if I send them the mess I have now I'll get ignored. My research is just starting and I want to show them real evidence they can't ignore. Sending the fbi a "malware bios.zip" and saying you got these modules from a clients computer probably won't get attention (unless it infects them lol).

That, and everything I have done thus far has been completely legal consultation work. I appreciate it mailman but I have this one covered I think.

Though, if I end up in jail, you guys visit me.

TheMailMan78 · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
I have a feeling if I send them the mess I have now I'll get ignored. My research is just starting and I want to show them real evidence they can't ignore. Sending the fbi a "malware bios.zip" and saying you got these modules from a clients computer probably won't get attention (unless it infects them lol).

That, and everything I have done thus far has been completely legal consultation work. I appreciate it mailman but I have this one covered I think.

Well if nothing else its all pubic via the forum. Personally I would drop the mic on this one. Again I grew up in Miami during the 80's. Helping strangers with odd problems is a big "no, no". Good way to end up in jail or dead. ANYWAYS......I wish you luck man! I hope its all on the up and up and you don't get infected too lol

On a side note you send the FBI a "malware bios.zip" they might ignore. Send them "TRUMP-USSR-DOCUMENTS.zip" and you might get their attention lol

R-T-B · May 18, 2018

I already am dropping the mic besides telling tech details and success / failure reports on removal.

I know a lot more than I've said here about the whole story, but that's none of your guys business, no offense intended.

Probably should not have even said that, frankly... going to shut up now. :laugh:

FreedomEclipse · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
Though, if I end up in jail, you guys visit me.

The Gene Hackman of TPU... :cool:

TheMailMan78 · May 18, 2018

R-T-B said:
I already am dropping the mic besides telling tech details and success / failure reports on removal.

I know a lot more than I've said here about the whole story, but that's none of your guys business, no offense intended.

Probably should not have even said that, frankly... going to shut up now.

Dude I wouldn't want details even if you wanted to share them. The less I know the better.

MadBrit · May 18, 2018

TheMailMan78 said:
YOU need to go to the FBI. Not him. First man to the boat makes the deals. This could easily get tossed back on to you.

No offense, but it sounds like Miami did a number on you Mailman78. Sorry about that. I have been 100% transparent and WANT this to escalate. If this type of device to device firmware infection is possible and gets into Critical Infrastructure, we're toast. Undetectable at enterprise level (or any level) with existing AV solutions. That's scary stuff. I have worked for 3 AV companies and other enterprise security companies and I know malware when I see it. I was just looking in the wrong space. Clearly, I'm non-technical compared to the Ninja's on this board.

I will personally walk into FBI headquarters with RTB leading the way if need be. Nothing to hide here. RTB is really on his game and I appreciate his expertise. He took the time to review the evidence then acted on it. He sets an exemplary example of helping someone without judgement - that some here fail to grasp. Isn't that the point of this forum in the first place? Otherwise, why are you here?

R-T-B · May 18, 2018

MadBrit said:
No offense, but it sounds like Miami did a number on you Mailman78. Sorry about that. I have been 100% transparent and WANT this to escalate. If this type of malware is possible and gets into Critical Infrastructure, we're toast. Undetectable at enterprise level (or any level) with existing AV solutions. That's scary stuff. I have worked for 3 AV companies and other enterprise security companies and I know malware when I see it. I was just looking in the wrong space. Clearly, I'm non-technical compared to the Ninja's on this board.

I will personally walk into FBI headquarters with RTB leading the way if need be. Nothing to hide here. RTB is really on his game and I appreciate his expertise. He took the time to review the evidence then acted on it. He sets an exemplary example of helping someone without judgement - that some here fail to grasp. Isn't that the point of this forum in the first place? Otherwise, why are you here?

Keep in mind mailman is known around these parts for his.... can I just say "different bedside manner?" :laugh:

I'm certain he wants the same thing you want he's just a natural skeptic of things like this. Don't take it personally.

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