Chinese Company Begins Making x86 Processors Based on AMD "Zen" Architecture

Vya Domus · Jul 9, 2018

ssdpro said:
Aww... only two users fell for it. The fanboy bait is usually more effective here.

Spare us the witty response attempt and troll another theard. Or better yet spare us entirely with your comments.

moproblems99 · Jul 9, 2018

bug said:
In the light of Micron's woes, I'm now waiting for the "HMC steals AMD IP, AMD sues, HMC countersues, Chinese courts ban AMD from doing business in China" news.
Criticize China all you want, but whan a problem needs a stolen solution, they know how to get it.

Any company that has significant IP that has done business in China in the last 10 years is deserving of everything they get. China makes their demands well known and they don't even particularly try to hide their off hours pursuits either.

Easo · Jul 9, 2018

Why do I have the feeling this will backfire one day? News from China lately seems to be showing that.

Totally · Jul 9, 2018

ssdpro said:
Aww... only two users fell for it. The fanboy bait is usually more effective here.

Uh, my comment wasn't fanboy-ish at all going "hurr, hurr, it was bait" just looks like a poor attempt at deflecting. Got a lol and a comment out of me nonetheless.

Also Trolling 101: Bait is a comment that is neutral yet polarizing, fanboys/girls will do the rest.

lordmartin · Jul 10, 2018

i can see future .... ryzen 4900x for lga1151 ???

TheGuruStud · Jul 10, 2018

Easo said:
Why do I have the feeling this will backfire one day? News from China lately seems to be showing that.

Shutting Intel down is too big of a pro to not gamble on.

And I'm sure they'll want the improvements of later zens, so I don't think there's any near term threat.

eidairaman1 · Jul 10, 2018

A Chinese only Zen Part, whooptydo.

Its Money for Licensing out the Architecture

AlwaysHope · Jul 10, 2018

Chinese companies already selling LGA2011 Intel tech with there "own" motherboards...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/For-Int...69:m:mULmDZzfOgQV5S2Q6FstPdw&var=552952748313

TheGuruStud · Jul 10, 2018

AlwaysHope said:
Chinese companies already selling LGA2011 Intel tech with there "own" motherboards...
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/For-Int...69:m:mULmDZzfOgQV5S2Q6FstPdw&var=552952748313

Their MBs are incredibly bad. I'd be surprised if anyone uses them except for shady oems.

SaltyFish · Jul 10, 2018

TheGuruStud said:
Shutting Intel down is too big of a pro to not gamble on.

And I'm sure they'll want the improvements of later zens, so I don't think there's any near term threat.

The timing is kinda weird though. AMD is in a pretty good spot in x86 duopoly right now.

The amusing thing is that if it backfires, then that x86 duopoly/lack-of-competition that everyone's been complaining about can potentially be finally broken. Because VIA certainly hasn't been doing much.

ZeDestructor · Jul 10, 2018

Vya Domus said:
AMD64 ? Intel is held in shackles by IP that they didn't manage to successfully develop/deploy just as much as AMD is by Intel. Don't fool yourself.

That they didn't want to. It's a small, subtle, but very important difference. At the time, Intel wanted to move people over to Itanium, but man did they botch that attempt.

bug said:
Yup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86
Check out the "open" section on the right. Not sure about the northbridge and southbridge that went with it though...

The hardware manual for the CPU is open, so you could make your own if you spent enough time and effort.

bug · Jul 10, 2018

ZeDestructor said:
The hardware manual for the CPU is open, so you could make your own if you spent enough time and effort.

You'd still need to license PCIe or USB in order to make something useful out of it. It's not going to make anyone rich, but it's a hell of a teaching material.

ZeDestructor · Jul 10, 2018

bug said:
You'd still need to license PCIe or USB in order to make something useful out of it. It's not going to make anyone rich, but it's a hell of a teaching material.

Well, no.. you could go old-school ISA, or make your own bus.

Fairly sure conventional PCI is patent-free now as well, being 26 years old and all, so you could also go the PCI route and just get some off the shelf PCI cards to do the remainder.

Gasaraki · Jul 10, 2018

R0H1T said:
How about educating yourself on why AMD did this Perhaps if the US govt bailed them out (sounds familiar?) or the loan sharks aka banks & hedge funds gave them money AMD wouldn't have had to take such a drastic step!

So now AMD is blackmailing the government? How low can they go?

windwhirl · Jul 10, 2018

ZeDestructor said:
Well, no.. you could go old-school ISA, or make your own bus.

Fairly sure conventional PCI is patent-free now as well, being 26 years old and all, so you could also go the PCI route and just get some off the shelf PCI cards to do the remainder.

And if you need discrete GPUs, AGP is the way

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Chinese Company Begins Making x86 Processors Based on AMD "Zen" Architecture

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