The Turing line-up (NVIDIA 20xx) has been revealed

[R0H1T]

I find it unlikely for GDDR6 to land on anything lower than RTX 2080. Or whatever it'll be called. Just look at GDDR5X on Pascals. Only top of the line cards get it, the rest have regular GDDR5.

That's not necessarily because GDDR6 is more expensive, it could be but possibly not too much. GDDR5x was not pin compatible with GDDR5, there's also the fact that only Micron made them AFAIK.
So there's no good reason why GDDR6 will be more expensive than GDDR5x at launch i.e. price differential between GDDR6 and GDDR5 should be minimal, for all practical intents & purposes.

 

[cucker tarlson]

If that leak is true tho, it's kinda amazing that nvidia is able to get in the vincinity of 1080Ti (30% over 1080) with a new 106 chip (2070 is reportedly 17% faster than 1080). That'd make TU106 really close to GP102. I know 1080Ti is cut, but not by much, TXp is just another 3-4% faster.

Whatever I buy, it's gonna be a trade off. I loved my 980ti->1080 upgrade cause I got noticeably more performance (20% out off the box),more vram,better OC ability (980Ti on air was a real pain iin the ass to oc due to noise/temp).
Now I can either go for 1080Ti, more performance gain (30%) and more vram, but worse noise,thermals and OC or GTX 2070, have 1gb less vram but get a decent performance bump (17% is definitely noticeable for me,though not ideal),lower power draw so better noise/thermals and probably balls to the wall oc 24/7. My 1080 can do 2152 stable, but I settled for 2060-2080 cause it doesn't require turning up the fan that high.

If 2070 is $400 and 1080Ti will still sell for +$600, I'll probably get the 2070 and accept the vram degrade and a lower performance increase.
If 2070 is $500 and 1080Ti gets a price cut then I'll settle for bigger performance bump and more vram,sacrificing the noise/heat

1080Ti would be a better upgrade overall,but more expensive. 2070 would not cost that much, still give me a performance increase at lower power draw.

 

[Keullo-e]

Nvidia's stream was just about some technical crap and about Quadros. We want a new GeForce product line, so I can score a cheap used GTX 1080.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Agreed, even GP102 is two years old now yet laughs at the competiton, at this point we need Nvidia to start competing with themselves.

AMD can stick Navi and their evil console monolopy up their arse.

 

[steen]

If they're like V100 then just path trace denoising on tensors. Not much else. It'd be nice to get bounding volume hierarchy traversal, intersection testing, etc in hardware, but I doubt it. I'd just assume RTX is Nvidia's nomenclature for DXR driver support.

Hate to quote myself, but RT core does RT intersection & BHV traversal.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Reuters calls it what it is: Nvidia rolls out new chip technology for filmmakers

But Nvidia’s middle line of chips, aimed at graphics and design professionals who make films and other digital content, has not fared nearly as well, growing only 11.8 percent last year to $934 million.

AMD is beating NVIDIA at film; ergo, Turing aims to steal dominance from AMD in that market.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Nvidia's stream was just about some technical crap and about Quadros. We want a new GeForce product line, so I can score a cheap used GTX 1080.

That's on 20th. And forget about pascal prices going down.

It's interesting what leather jacket man said about AI for ray tracing. Turing is 6x faster in ray tracing than pascal, not only due to higher compute power, but they can render at lower resolution thanks to "training the model out of very HQ ground truth" and generate the final image at much higher rate. He mentioned it in use in UE4 and Microsoft DXR. It's called DLAA (deep learining accelerated something...), it is based on the use of tensor cores.

 

[droopyRO]

No word on the TDP yet ? that 2070 sounds like a nice upgrade from my 980Ti.

 

[Frick]

Nvidia's stream was just about some technical crap and about Quadros. We want a new GeForce product line, so I can score a cheap used GTX 1080.

Screw that, I want GTX970 performance for <€100 (used).

 

[Vayra86]

If that leak is true tho, it's kinda amazing that nvidia is able to get in the vincinity of 1080Ti (30% over 1080) with a new 106 chip (2070 is reportedly 17% faster than 1080). That'd make TU106 really close to GP102. I know 1080Ti is cut, but not by much, TXp is just another 3-4% faster.

Whatever I buy, it's gonna be a trade off. I loved my 980ti->1080 upgrade cause I got noticeably more performance (20% out off the box),more vram,better OC ability (980Ti on air was a real pain iin the ass to oc due to noise/temp).
Now I can either go for 1080Ti, more performance gain (30%) and more vram, but worse noise,thermals and OC or GTX 2070, have 1gb less vram but get a decent performance bump (17% is definitely noticeable for me,though not ideal),lower power draw so better noise/thermals and probably balls to the wall oc 24/7. My 1080 can do 2152 stable, but I settled for 2060-2080 cause it doesn't require turning up the fan that high.

If 2070 is $400 and 1080Ti will still sell for +$600, I'll probably get the 2070 and accept the vram degrade and a lower performance increase.
If 2070 is $500 and 1080Ti gets a price cut then I'll settle for bigger performance bump and more vram,sacrificing the noise/heat

1080Ti would be a better upgrade overall,but more expensive. 2070 would not cost that much, still give me a performance increase at lower power draw.

Honestly, paying full price for a 1080ti right now even with Turing around the corner 'just to have 11GB' is complete insanity and the rest of your arguments (+17% perf, really?!) is just cognitive dissonance. You don't need more than 8GB for 1440p. Regardless of what RTSS VRAM usage tells you. Don't be ridiculous. You have a 1080... you're going to upgrade within same gen just because Nvidia didn't release a 2080ti yet?

Complete idiocy. You can put one slider from ultra to high and save yourself the trouble.

RTX and the tensor cores right now and for the foreseeable future are just gimmicks that have no real advantage either. We knew that when we saw that hideous Metro demo. Turing may be 6x faster, it still doesn't surpass what we can do with conventional tech today. Even at the same perf loss.

Realistically from a 1080 or 1080ti the only path is to wait

 

[rtwjunkie]

Nvidia's stream was just about some technical crap and about Quadros. We want a new GeForce product line, so I can score a cheap used GTX 1080.

When the first Turing is released, you MAY only see a 2 to 3 day window when used and new Pascal prices go down (more so for the new retail ones, as they quickly try to remove any remaining stock). That period will likely be the only time, and you will need to be able and prepared to pounce quickly on a deal.

This has always been the best way to upgrade to top of the line models from the gen before.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Honestly, paying full price for a 1080ti right now even with Turing around the corner 'just to have 11GB' is complete insanity and the rest of your arguments (+17% perf, really?!) is just cognitive dissonance. You don't need more than 8GB for 1440p. Regardless of what RTSS VRAM usage tells you. Don't be ridiculous. You have a 1080... you're going to upgrade within same gen just because Nvidia didn't release a 2080ti yet?

Complete idiocy. You can put one slider from ultra to high and save yourself the trouble.

RTX and the tensor cores right now and for the foreseeable future are just gimmicks that have no real advantage either. We knew that when we saw that hideous Metro demo. Turing may be 6x faster, it still doesn't surpass what we can do with conventional tech today. Even at the same perf loss.

Realistically from a 1080 or 1080ti the only path is to wait

I don't think one slider from ultra to high can compansate for +50% performance over 1080 that they are claiming. But agreed it's better to wait it out, though we will only see 2080Ti just before amd has 7nm Vega and it's going to be full TU104 this time, so don't expect +30% like 1080->1080ti.
What is cognitive dissonance, crashing cause the game is running out of vram with msaa enabled? Cause I've had that happen,though only incidentally.
We'll see what 2080 brings,if it's really +50% I might get on, though if the new RT features push the price way high it'd be stupid to get this card before we have games that support it 1080ti is not exactly a good option for a placeholder card,you are right. Either be an early adpoter and get 2080 now provided the price is not sky high, or wait for 2080Ti.

 

[Vya Domus]

We knew that when we saw that hideous Metro demo.

Meh, it wasn't hideous you're exaggerating. But yes it wasn't a massive step forward either, just like that Northlight engine demo or every other RTX demo that I've seen. If I wouldn't know that a form of ray tracing has been used I would have sworn those are nothing more than common global illumination techniques and screen space reflections.

 

[Vayra86]

Meh, it wasn't hideous you're exaggerating. But yes it wasn't a massive step forward either, just like that Northlight engine demo or every other RTX demo that I've seen. If I wouldn't know that a form of ray tracing has been used I would have sworn those are nothing more than common global illumination techniques and screen space reflections.

No ofc not but all I saw was the same engine in a different setting and some vague reflections in a low texture res refrigerator door, and god rays that looked less refined than existing ones in other games. So yeah, that

 

[Keullo-e]

Screw that, I want GTX970 performance for <€100 (used).

Going from GTX 980 to 970 isn't my thing.

 

[cucker tarlson]

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-benchmarks/

this is quite a bit faster than Titan V, though I don't give it much credibility.

 

[purecain]

I suspect this is either a prank with two Quadro gpu's or these could really be the next high end gpu's coming to market. this launch is going to be exciting...

 

[AltCapwn]

I think this is just speculation based on the announcement of the Quadros RTX.

 

[ppn]

2080 will be slower than 1080Ti. Less bandwidth 448 vs 484, less cores 2944 vs 3584, so where is that confidence coming from. IPC gains maybe. Ti will get demolished in metro RTX, but other than that why. 12nm is the name for 16nm++. Only 7nm or even 5nm will be able to reach 3Ghz for 50% boost.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Lol no way it will be slower than 1080Ti.

 

[StrayKAT]

Metro, really? Who even plays that?

 

[AltCapwn]

Metro, really? Who even plays that?

He's talking about the new Metro Exodus which will features Ray Tracing tech from Nvidia.

The old one were very good tho you should try .

 

[StrayKAT]

He's talking about the new Metro Exodus which will features Ray Tracing tech from Nvidia.

The old one were very good tho you should try .

I know it's a new Ray tracing version, but... that's not very encouraging as far as game readiness/demo tech.

 

[AltCapwn]

I know it's a new Ray tracing version, but... that's not very encouraging as far as game readiness/demo tech.

I'm not sure to understand your point sir StrayKAT. Metro Exodus will be an all new AAA game and not only a tech demo.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Metro, really? Who even plays that?

Why not? I guess you only play brand new games?