2 isp accounts on the same adsl line

[mroofie]

Are there any benefits?

The thing is gaming and streaming on the same the line is horrendous especially on a 8MB connection.

The router has a wacky setup for qos.

So thats a no go and a server is just too much for bandwith control :/

 

[Bill_Bright]

I don't see any advantage. It would be better to just increase the bandwidth of your current agreement with the ISP. You will have to pay more, but that would be much cheaper than two accounts.

 

[Frick]

Can you even do that?

 

[mroofie]

I don't see any advantage. It would be better to just increase the bandwidth of your current agreement with the ISP. You will have to pay more, but that would be much cheaper than two accounts.

So no benefit when it comes to lag?

Can you even do that?

Some ISP's wont allow it

 

[Bill_Bright]

Can you even do that?

I assume you mean technically. I wondered that too but don't see why not. I mean you can put TV, Internet and phone down the same line. And many ISPs use home modems to create free "hot spots" for their customers using your "residential gateway" device that (they claim) does not use up any of your bandwidth.

I would think it would take two network cards which introduces a whole new bunch of hassles.

 

[mroofie]

I assume you mean technically. I wondered that too but don't see why not. I mean you can put TV, Internet and phone down the same line. And many ISPs use home modems to create free "hot spots" for their customers using your "residential gateway" device that (they claim) does not use up any of your bandwidth.

I would think it would take two network cards which introduces a whole new bunch of hassles.

My lag question?

 

[Bill_Bright]

My lag question?

I already answered first thing. I said,

I don't see any advantage. It would be better to just increase the bandwidth of your current agreement with the ISP.

 

[mroofie]

I already answered first thing. I said,

Ahh i see thanks

 

[Frick]

I assume you mean technically. I wondered that too but don't see why not. I mean you can put TV, Internet and phone down the same line. And many ISPs use home modems to create free "hot spots" for their customers using your "residential gateway" device that (they claim) does not use up any of your bandwidth.

I would think it would take two network cards which introduces a whole new bunch of hassles.

They do that hotspot thing with DSL as well? I would have thought the copper could only carry so much, especially if you're any distance from the local station. And doesn't internet TV and phone use a bit of bandwidth? I have no idea if it does, I've never used it.

 

[Bill_Bright]

They do that hotspot thing with DSL as well?

Yes.

I would have thought the copper could only carry so much, especially if you're any distance from the local station.

The distance from the distribution center has nothing to do with the hotspot. The hotspot just allows the Comcast (for example) customer visiting your neighbor to connect to your Comcast gateway. It does not let non-Comcast users connect. And if your contract only allows 10Mbps, those visitors will NOT be using your bandwidth because Comcast will be providing extra to your gateway to support the hotspot users.

And doesn't internet TV and phone use a bit of bandwidth? I have no idea if it does, I've never used it.

No. They use totally different carrier "frequencies" which travel at near light speeds. You (and everyone connected) would have to be using data at near light speeds to come close to maxing out the bandwidth.

Remember, we are talking about electrons moving through those wires. Electrons are pretty small. That means you can push quite a few through even the smallest wires.

Think of an old outdoor TV antenna like this:

All those "elements" (the different length rods) are "tuned" to a specific frequency (FYI - the longer the rod, the lower the frequency). That antenna can "pick up" 100s of different TV stations at once and, in fact, IS receiving all the TV stations in probably a 75 mile radius. The signals then all travel down into the house on a single two-wire cable. Your TV shows don't get jumbled because they are at different frequencies. And they don't degrade because there are several, either.

Of course there are all sorts of variables and other factors that can affect total capacities of any given conductor. These include the quality of the conductor, number of splices, quality of the insulation, length, and more. But also the type of signal being transmitted matters too. That's why Internet, TV and phone (and the ring tone too!) can travel down the same wire.

 

[Durvelle27]

It may actually hurt you than benefit

Think of the line like traffic. Only so many lanes to allow traffic through causing congestion.

Having worked for Comcast, hooking up two separate modems with different accounts on the same line always caused bandwidth issues sometimes not even meeting 50% of the bandwidth. Each needs there on dedicated line to maximize the amount of bandwidth coming in from the nodes.

Like someone else mentioned it would be cheaper just to increase the data speeds

 

[FordGT90Concept]

You technically can have two lines and two accounts at the same address but it will double your phone+internet bill. You would also need a router capable of managing two WAN ports which don't come cheap.


Are there any wireless internet providers (802.11n or LTE) in your area? They're a lot more expensive than ADSL but they usually offer more bandwidth than ADSL does because they have fiber to the radios.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

found this.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Interesting but "a couple $100 a month" extra. Not practical for most home users.

 

[mroofie]

You technically can have two lines and two accounts at the same address but it will double your phone+internet bill. You would also need a router capable of managing two WAN ports which don't come cheap.


Are there any wireless internet providers (802.11n or LTE) in your area? They're a lot more expensive than ADSL but they usually offer more bandwidth than ADSL does because they have fiber to the radios.

Nah rather use a wisp

Unfortunately we are behind the times

 

[Frick]

Yes.

Ok!

The distance from the distribution center has nothing to do with the hotspot. The hotspot just allows the Comcast (for example) customer visiting your neighbor to connect to your Comcast gateway. It does not let non-Comcast users connect. And if your contract only allows 10Mbps, those visitors will NOT be using your bandwidth because Comcast will be providing extra to your gateway to support the hotspot users.

I'm not so sure about this. I mean my parents lived pretty far from the distribution center and on bad days they lost service altogether, and on good days they had about 512kbps, while in their previous house closer to the station they got at least a few mbps. I can't imagine the service not being affected if they had people accessing the web through "their" line. Multiplexing is a thing but if the connection is spotty as it is, even higher load will have an impact. I assume.

No. They use totally different carrier "frequencies" which travel at near light speeds. You (and everyone connected) would have to be using data at near light speeds to come close to maxing out the bandwidth.

Remember, we are talking about electrons moving through those wires. Electrons are pretty small. That means you can push quite a few through even the smallest wires.

Ok! But IPTV isn't the same, is it? Where I live the ISPs documentation says that watching TV can/will have an impact on avaliable bandwidth if you live further than a mile from the station, and I know several people who has this issue.

Think of an old outdoor TV antenna like this:

All those "elements" (the different length rods) are "tuned" to a specific frequency (FYI - the longer the rod, the lower the frequency). That antenna can "pick up" 100s of different TV stations at once and, in fact, IS receiving all the TV stations in probably a 75 mile radius. The signals then all travel down into the house on a single two-wire cable. Your TV shows don't get jumbled because they are at different frequencies. And they don't degrade because there are several, either.

Of course there are all sorts of variables and other factors that can affect total capacities of any given conductor. These include the quality of the conductor, number of splices, quality of the insulation, length, and more. But also the type of signal being transmitted matters too. That's why Internet, TV and phone (and the ring tone too!) can travel down the same wire.

See above.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I'm not so sure about this. I mean my parents lived pretty far from the distribution center and on bad days they lost service altogether, and on good days they had about 512kbps, while in their previous house closer to the station they got at least a few mbps.

Yes. That would be true. But that has nothing to do with creating a hotspot to your parents network - and that is what that Comcast hotspot is about. What you describe is a disadvantage with all DSL networks, to one degree or another.

You are right, IPTV is different. That, by definition is "Internet Protocol" TV. So that definitely is sharing the bandwidth with other Internet connections.

...but if the connection is spotty

Absolutely! That's why I said,

Of course there are all sorts of variables and other factors that can affect total capacities of any given conductor. These include the quality of the conductor, number of splices, quality of the insulation, length, and more.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Nah rather use a wisp

Unfortunately we are behind the times

I thought so too then I discovered there's two of them operating in my area. They're usually small outfits that don't do much advertising. You really have to seek them out to find them. The best I could get on ADSL is 3 Mbps for $30/mo. I'm at 6 Mbps for $52/mo now. I could upgrade to as high as 15 Mbps with my current ISP. There are no monthly caps.

 

[Durvelle27]

Ok!


I'm not so sure about this. I mean my parents lived pretty far from the distribution center and on bad days they lost service altogether, and on good days they had about 512kbps, while in their previous house closer to the station they got at least a few mbps. I can't imagine the service not being affected if they had people accessing the web through "their" line. Multiplexing is a thing but if the connection is spotty as it is, even higher load will have an impact. I assume.



Ok! But IPTV isn't the same, is it? Where I live the ISPs documentation says that watching TV can/will have an impact on avaliable bandwidth if you live further than a mile from the station, and I know several people who has this issue.


See above.

Having worked with AT&T/U-Verse which is IPTV (Which is garbage by the way)

Each TV uses 6mb of the bandwidth at 720p

So with 3 TVs going at the same time your internet would be limited to 32mbps with a 50mbps plan

 

[remixedcat]

also for such to happen on client end you'd need to either use a server OS or get special NICs that have the software "built in" to team together. On server 2012 I can either have it set as failover or aggregation.

 

[eidairaman1]

I assume you mean technically. I wondered that too but don't see why not. I mean you can put TV, Internet and phone down the same line. And many ISPs use home modems to create free "hot spots" for their customers using your "residential gateway" device that (they claim) does not use up any of your bandwidth.

I would think it would take two network cards which introduces a whole new bunch of hassles.

You can have pots and adsl on the same line with a nid filter, but 2 separate adsl signals on same pair doesn't work, i dont think dialup and adsl can be on the same line either.

However increasing bandwidth of connection works or a bonded pair-2 pairs sending half the adsl signal each, requires an INID or bonded pair modem.

Having worked with AT&T/U-Verse which is IPTV (Which is garbage by the way)

Each TV uses 6mb of the bandwidth at 720p

So with 3 TVs going at the same time your internet would be limited to 32mbps with a 50mbps plan

This is why there is direct tv now so they can vector the copper pair to 75Mbps, or do bonded pair, however AT&T is now doing ftth now in older neighborhoods since they have a different PON than the B/GPON i was installing in 2013 in modern homes (not all modern homes had smart panels either)

Uverse still exists but They are slowly phasing it out for streaming service-hence buyout of timewarner (boo)

 

[Durvelle27]

You can have pots and adsl on the same line with a nid filter, but 2 separate adsl signals on same pair doesn't work, i dont think dialup and adsl can be on the same line either.

However increasing bandwidth of connection works or a bonded pair-2 pairs sending half the adsl signal each, requires an INID or bonded pair modem.



This is why there is direct tv now so they can vector the copper pair to 75Mbps, or do bonded pair, however AT&T is now doing ftth now in older neighborhoods since they have a different PON than the B/GPON i was installing in 2013 in modern homes (not all modern homes had smart panels either)

Uverse still exists but They are slowly phasing it out for streaming service-hence buyout of timewarner (boo)

Somewhat true atleast here where I live, AT&T aren’t using Copper in majority of the neighborhoods and worst 70% of the neighborhoods can’t even get 75mbps. A lot are restricted to 25mbps and very few ares even offer fiber yet.

And apparently they aren’t phasing it out that fast as a lot of users still here and AT&T doesn’t plan to cut them yet.

 

[eidairaman1]

Somewhat true atleast here where I live, AT&T aren’t using Copper in majority of the neighborhoods and worst 70% of the neighborhoods can’t even get 75mbps. A lot are restricted to 25mbps and very few ares even offer fiber yet.

And apparently they aren’t phasing it out that fast as a lot of users still here and AT&T doesn’t plan to cut them yet.

Well you know that for 32Meg profile they needed to be less than 2000Ft away, i know at 3000+ you needed bonded pair just to get any service, thanks to bridgetaps, metallic faults/corrosion, faulty vrad/dslam cards.

Im still on a 6Mbps connection I could probably get 75 here but I dont bother as the crossbox is at the end of the street, id say 800-1.2Kft.

 

[Durvelle27]

True distance effects services badly but even being close to the nodes still isn’t great. AT&T nodes here are garbage and haven’t been upgraded in years.

From the list I had of the cities here when at AT&T less than 10% of the neighborhoods offered 75mb service and even clients close to the service didn’t receive any better performance.

The only viable service is CommyCast which offered GB service in all areas for a fee

My mom has AT&T Internet and pays for the 75Mb plan but with testing she never sees those speeds. Best was 50Mb and she’s about 300ft from the node, it’s literally behind her house.

 

[eidairaman1]

True distance effects services badly but even being close to the nodes still isn’t great. AT&T nodes here are garbage and haven’t been upgraded in years.

From the list I had of the cities here when at AT&T less than 10% of the neighborhoods offered 75mb service and even clients close to the service didn’t receive any better performance.

The only viable service is CommyCast which offered GB service in all areas for a fee

My mom has AT&T Internet and pays for the 75Mb plan but with testing she never sees those speeds. Best was 50Mb and she’s about 300ft from the node, it’s literally behind her house.

Yeah the F card is the original, there is a newer model K and N cards, 1 thing, less than 500 or 600 feet it needs a buffer. If the crossbox were right on my corner Id run a drop straight to the nid and put a buffer in to keep the modem from cooking