AMD's CES 2019 Keynote - Stream & Live Blog

[Metroid]

I think it was 2057 not 2557?

18:20 UTC: New Ryzen 3rd generation processors have been teased. The upcoming processors are based on Zen 2, using 7 nanometer technology. AMD showed a live demo of Forza Horizon 4, using Ryzen third generation, paired with Radeon Vega VII, which is running "consistently over 100 FPS at highest details at 1080p resolution". A second demo, using Cinebench, pitted an 8-core/16-thread Ryzen 3rd generation processor against the Intel Core i9-9900K. The Ryzen CPU was "not final frequency, an early sample". Ryzen achieved a score of 2557 using 135 W, while Intel achieved a score of 2040 using 180 W.. things are looking good for Ryzen 3rd generation indeed. Lisa also confirmed that next-gen Ryzen will support PCI-Express 4.0, which doubles the bandwidth per lane over PCI-Express 3.0. Ryzen third generation will run on the same AM4 infrastructure as current Ryzen; all existing users of Ryzen can simply upgrade to the new processors, when they launch in the middle of 2019 (we think Computex).

This is from techpower up article.

https://www.techpowerup.com/251367/amds-ces-2019-keynote-stream-live-blog, actually is what we are talking about here.

 

[ShurikN]

This is from techpower up article.

https://www.techpowerup.com/251367/amds-ces-2019-keynote-stream-live-blog, actually is what we are talking about here.

I was watching the demo and the 2 chips started and finished at literally the same time.
AMD numbers should be 2050CB, not 2500

 

[Metroid]

I was watching the demo and the 2 chips started and finished at literally the same time.
AMD numbers should be 2050CB, not 2500

It might have been a typo from techpowerup editor. so I will have to update my post to reflect the reality.

 

[HTC]

This is from techpower up article.

https://www.techpowerup.com/251367/amds-ces-2019-keynote-stream-live-blog, actually is what we are talking about here.

I believe that's a typo.

@Raevenlord Isn't it supposed to be 2057? Can't be sure from that cinebench image.

 

[PanicLake]

Gotta be stupid to buy an RTX without RTX at the same price, only because of +8GB of HBM2.
Hard pass.

Yep I absolutely want to play that one game that support RTX!

 

[toyo]

Yep I absolutely want to play that one game that support RTX!

There will be more. I am not excited that much about RTX either, but it's some new silicon, and it can do new tricks. For me all of this tech is just for testing and fooling around with, I doubt there will be any game I want to play until Cyberpunk.
Anyway, the idea is that AMD is the underdog and perceived as being pro-consumer and less greedy than Nvidia and Intel. They failed to rise up to this expectation at CES, and it's sad.

 

[Metroid]

I believe that's a typo.

@Raevenlord Isn't it supposed to be 2057? Can't be sure from that cinebench image.

Yeah, thanks for the correction, I updated my post to reflect the reality.

cinebench multithreading, ryzen 8 cores 16 threads sample, 2057 points, intel 9900k 8 cores 16 threads, 2040 points, now calculating cinebench single thread based on single cores, ryzen, 2057 / 8 = 257, intel 9900k 2040 / 8 = 255, from official review from techpower up on 9900k , multithread = 1914, single thread 218, if we use 1914 / 8 = 239 on single thread. For ryzen to have a score of 2057, single thread has to be very close to 9900k, close to 218 points on cinebench single thread benchmark.

Another example is ryzen 2700x, official results on techpowerup review, cinebench multithreading, 1819 points, single thread 179 points, 1819 / 8 = 227 and on cinebench single thread amd has only 179 points instead of 227 which means, 227 - 179 = 48 points which is around 25%. So if we factor the 25% on ryzen 3 sample we will have the final cinebench single thread result of = 257 - 60 points(25% to factor the constraints and to equalize on ryzen 2770x) = 197 points which is still lower than the i9 9900k from intel = 218 points, It is ryzen that good? It is 10% faster than ryzen 2770x on single thread and 10% slower than intel 9900k on cinebench single thread.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i9_9900K/9.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_2700X/9.html

I might be wrong about this as ryzen 3 sample could be as 10% slow than intel 9900k or equally on cinebench single thread.

 

[dicktracy]

Looks like a boring year for Pc hardware. 2020 can’t come soon enough.

 

[Pan]

Great news!

 

[SN2716057]

Can't wait for the reviews! If good as she says then I can see myself getting a new (another) htpc/gaming rig.

 

[Argyr]

Yep I absolutely want to play that one game that support RTX!

one game?

• Assetto Corsa Competizione
• Atomic Heart
• Battlefield V
• Control
• Enlisted
• Justice
• JX3
• MechWarrior 5: Mercenaries
• Metro Exodus
• ProjectDH
• Shadow of the Tomb Raider

Atomic Heart and Metro Exodus will be GOTY nominees believe me

 

[Xuper]

AMD showed a live demo of Forza Horizon 4, using Ryzen third generation, paired with Radeon Vega VII, which is running "consistently over 100 FPS at highest details at 1080p resolution"

anyone bench for RTX 2080 with 8700K ?

 

[Vya Domus]

As soon as she mentioned the price the stock went from +4% to being down 1%.

You all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine.

 

[Argyr]

You all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine.

why dislike my post? I was just stating facts

 

[Vya Domus]

My hand slipped. Just stating facts.

 

[Argyr]

My hand slipped. Just stating facts.

Ah you're the resident Nvidia hater, forgot about you. My earlier comments about about AMD fanatism might have struck a nerve.
AMD fans flooded every single Nvidia thread in the last weeks to spew their hatred. Now look at this thread: Barely any trolling from our side (in your darkest moments)
Seems like Nvidia fans are more, khm, cultured? On this board at least.

 

[Vya Domus]

My hand slipped.

If you don't like the feature to -1 comments take it to the staff. They didn't make it mandatory for someone to also state the reason. Maybe there was something wrong with the comment, maybe I just don't like you, who knows.

Barely any trolling from our side

Your uhm ... side ? Bruh.

 

[phanbuey]

You all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine.

Ok then, so it's a coincidence that every stock reacts sharply during company keynotes and earnings calls depending on the news that is actively coming out of the executive's mouth, or the split second any bad/good news comes out?

If anything this statement is absolutely false. Just look at any Merger announcement, earnings call, and the last 3 keynotes any company has given. The market reacts unbelievably quickly, and the finger investors like us are the last ones in on the party.

 

[moproblems99]

Seems like Nvidia fans are more, khm, cultured? On this board at least.

Sorry, neither side is .... cultured.

Edit:

On topic, did I miss everything about VII? Somehow this slipped in under my radar. If they can manage 2080ti in February, then I would be supremely impressed. Most of the impressiveness is the fact they kept it under wraps.

 

[Metroid]

AMD is playing the money grab attitude, first 7nm and as far as things are what we see is that gpu is the one that most benefits from die shrink and that is what they are doing, launching a top 7nm gpu first and pricing it accordingly x to what the competition has, my point is if nvidia had a 7nm gpu for $699 it would almost double rtx 2080 in performance, amd has the vega 7 and performance wise matches rtx 2080 and reason they are pricing a little bit higher or equal to it cause it uses less electricity, in the end amd is doing it right on the money side of things, reason why they decided its 7nm queue to be gpu only for now.

As far as ryzen 3 sample benchmark goes, i would say ryzen 3 sample is pretty much equal to 9900k on single thread performance, multithread i give to ryzen 3 sample 5% better overall. bad or good that is for you to decide, i myself see it as positive, the question now is if ryzen will double core count from last gen or not, they will do to epic server cpus, so i think desktop will follow that path too.

 

[Vya Domus]

out of the executive's mouth, or the split second any bad/good news comes out?

Only small time traders do that, the ones that typically lose their cash and have little affect on the stock. Large corporations do not concern themselves with that, that's noise. You have to realize the scale at which different entitles operate on this stock. Softbank still hasn't completely pulled out and Nvidia's stock halved in what , 3 months ? Let that sink in for a moment, this means nothing for AMD.

 

[phanbuey]

Only small time traders do that, the ones that typically lose their cash and have little affect on the stock. Large corporations do not concern themselves with that, that's noise. You have to realize the scale at which different entitles operate on this stock. Softbank still hasn't completely pulled out and Nvidia's stock halved in what , 3 months ? Let that sink in for a moment, this means nothing for AMD.

Again, not related. Softbank don't have to completely pull out - they do close out their positions quickly on news, however. The stock price fluctuations, and trading volume during these times alone show that this is the case.

That's not a coincidence or legions of small fry investors - it's huge investors reacting to the news.

 

[Vya Domus]

That's not a coincidence or legions of small fry investors

The massive amount of volume suggests the complete opposite.

 

[phanbuey]

The massive amount of volume suggests the complete opposite.

Volume = number of shares, not number of transactions... So no, it does not suggest the opposite.

Plus you just argued that "you all need to realize that serious investors (that ones that actually manage to make a dent) don't trade as if they sit in the front of a slot machine."

And are now trying to argue that "it's a legion of small investors that made the dent today, because of the volume".

https://markets.businessinsider.com...ice-releases-7nm-gaming-gpu-2019-1-1027856561

 

[Vya Domus]

Volume = number of shares, not number of transactions... So no, it does not suggest the opposite.

I know it's the numbers of shares and yes, that's a signifier that a lot of people are executing a lot transactions not the other way around. Doesn't necessarily means that's always the case but more often that not it is, unless of course you have a reason to believe it's not. And if you do, by all means go ahead.

It's just that it seems rather unlikely that anyone but a small fry trader would dump their stock because Lisa said Vega VII is is 699$, as was the scenario you suggest.

And are now trying to argue that "it's a legion of small investors that made the dent today, because of the volume".

They didn't really make a dent, no one did, that was my point. These single digit % figures aren't of any particular significance. Wait a couple more days and we'll see then if there really was a dent or not made.