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But making the battery easy to replace makes the phone bigger and heavier.

I really have no idea why that would be from an engineering standpoint. You are talking about making a door, in a phone. Besides a few o-rings, doors are actually voids with a cover, and aren't particularly heavy.

Waterproofing only makes sense if it's confirmed by the manufacturer.

It makes the most sense when it falls in the water and survives. Until then it's all just wordplay.
 
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Random bloke? AOSP and LineageOS says hello.
Yeah, exactly like that.

At least Cyanogen was made by a proper company and controlled by people you could look up. And the product still was really bad.
I haven't checked LineageOS and it's unlikely I ever will.
But sometimes a screenshot is enough to put someone off and they've managed. This is how camera settings look. No offense, but this is just sad.
 
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My S7 is actually the first phone I haven't tinkered with, yet. It just works so well I haven't bothered, or had time for anymore. Doesn't mean I won't, just that I didn't need to and haven't had as much free time as I used to.

I've tinkered a lot with custom roms over the years... my personal favorite to fiddle in is still the old Motorola Atrix when it came to doing custom stuff on. You could do just about anything to that phone. Too bad Motorola had to pull the plug and discontinue it due to nvidia lying about their cpu specs and causing them a lot of trouble. They then trashed the Atrix brand with garbage followup phones.
 

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I'm in a bit of a pickle - I can't choose between an S10e and the regular S10.
The main point of conflict is the camera - is the "telephoto" camera worth it? Can't seem to find any good article on the real usage of it.
Otherwise I like the "e" better.
Or maybe I should keep rocking my S6, the home button usually works, the battery is totally dead yet.

Just keep the phone you have and spend the $1000 on a real camera.
 

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My S7 is actually the first phone I haven't tinkered with, yet. It just works so well I haven't bothered, or had time for anymore. Doesn't mean I won't, just that I didn't need to and haven't had as much free time as I used to.

I've tinkered a lot with custom roms over the years... my personal favorite to fiddle in is still the old Motorola Atrix when it came to doing custom stuff on. You could do just about anything to that phone. Too bad Motorola had to pull the plug and discontinue it due to nvidia lying about their cpu specs and causing them a lot of trouble. They then trashed the Atrix brand with garbage followup phones.

I'm saying when an official o t a, Download update is not available to upgrade the Android version.

For my phone I would like the Bobcat user interface or the TouchWiz 3.0 user interface on the 4.4.2 Kit Kat kernel or the 6.0.1 kernel and if my phone has a unofficial kernel for 7 to 9, I'd use those as long as a battery life is still good this battery is only 2 years old going on three and still holds a good charge
 
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I haven't checked LineageOS and it's unlikely I ever will.

It's based on the AOSP build scripts now, which are made by a little company called google.

Cyangen was a mess of propietary code and weird shit.

This is how camera settings look. No offense, but this is just sad.

What exactly is wrong with them? You are aware you can install another app and that's intended as a basic barebones solution, right?

At least Cyanogen was made by a proper company and controlled by people you could look up.

If you ask me that's less reason to trust it. Lineage is signed and you can look up the people (who are mostly the same, just not doing it for pay anymore) too btw.

Yeah, exactly like that.

https://wiki.lineageos.org/contributors.html

The resume on a few of the heads is pretty extensive really.

I haven't spent more than $200 on a phone in over a decade, by the way. And I guarantee you I do everything you do / enjoy my phone just as much. I even have frickin google AR support.
 
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Just keep the phone you have and spend the $1000 on a real camera.

I already have a DSLR, but I don't enjoy chugging it around. The best camera is which I can have on me all the time.

Regarding custom FW's - I did dabble with them, I think they were a must have during the S1, HTC One X times, they made the phones so much better, though stability was always worse and with some quirks all the time. Got tired of it and now I just wan't a phone that just works.
 
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It's based on the AOSP build scripts now, which are made by a little company called google.
But the final system is not made by Google, but by a community of random people.
It's an open-source vs corporations discussion all over again.

I wouldn't trust a community driven OS on a phone that I use for banking or personal data. Maybe you would.
For a very similar reason I don't use small fan-made linux distros - just the big ones, ideally supported by someone with a proper name and real address.

The fact that it's been built on AOSP isn't very comforting as well. It may simply mean that people behind LineageOS don't know how to write an OS from scratch...
Cyangen was a mess of propietary code and weird shit.
And yet it was praised by many people - just like you're now praising LineageOS.
BTW: I wonder if your opinion hasn't changed over the years. ;-)
What exactly is wrong with them?
It's a horrid UI. I'm sure you can set everything, but holy s... - this has to be the most unfriendly camera app I've seen to date.
It just makes me sad to watch how this guy scrolls through the list of features.
Do you use this OS? Does this photo interface rotate to horizontal position? I'd love to see how that looks (I can't find it online).
You are aware you can install another app and that's intended as a basic barebones solution, right?
Camera apps provided by Samsung, Apple, LG and the likes are very good - most people won't need anything else.
This thing bundled with LineageOS looks like a development prototype.

And what's the point of this OS if the most important apps are "barebone"? You end up installing dozens of 3rd party apps to make the phone usable. How is that better than getting a Samsung with a bit of bloatware?
On my phone I installed just a handful of apps to replace what LG provided (like e-mail, task manager). Everything else was pretty great already.
Does the LineageOS camera app even support multiple cameras? Many popular apps don't.
 
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But the final system is not made by Google, but by a community of random people.

Yes, who can still manage better support than many OEMs. I don't know why you are going on about this? Company does not automaticaly equal better support, as evidenced here. They are notoriously behind in android land.

This thing bundled with LineageOS looks like a development prototype.

That's because it was. The app you are looking at came from 13.0 cyanogenmod and was scrapped in late 15.1 and is not even present as an option in pie. Another horrid Cyanogenmod design decision reversed. Oh wait, you love companies, so I guess that app was great. /s

Truthfully, I'll be honest: It wasn't that bad (I used it briefly and yes it rotated with no real fanfare, became a hamburger style menu then that fullscreened) but it wasn't that great either. Most users installed google camera from nexus land, myself included. The new app is much friendlier but it still lacks many options and support for things like infrared focus assist.

And what's the point of this OS if the most important apps are "barebone"?

Customization. I mean, you could try reading their homepage for a few minutes. BTW, you CAN uninstall the stock camera app. Boom. Mind blown.


Have you ever used an LG camera app?

Coming from a G3, they look good, but uh, I guess you'd better get used to 3 second pauses between photos (on day 1, btw).

The fact that I was using a G3 until about 5 days ago should tell you a bit about device support (by the way, the G3 still has march security updates).
 
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I have a S10. Upgraded from S8 and im impressed by the new features. Honestly i would have bought it regardless. The three cameras (especially the one thats able to focus at very close range) are very useful and the fingerprint sensor works nicely, stereo speakers are great too. Other than that its not noticably faster than my S8.
 
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If budget isn't an option then just do it. Why are you asking random people you don't know on the internet to help justify your purchase?

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If budget isn't an option then just do it. Why are you asking random people you don't know on the internet to help justify your purchase?

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Good point, everyone just started shouting their own opinions not really answering the original question..
Anyhow, bought an S10e. The flat power button annoyed me, but got used to it.
 
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I'm in a bit of a pickle - I can't choose between an S10e and the regular S10.
The main point of conflict is the camera - is the "telephoto" camera worth it? Can't seem to find any good article on the real usage of it.
Otherwise I like the "e" better.
Or maybe I should keep rocking my S6, the home button usually works, the battery is totally dead yet.
I definitely recommend S10. I have been in the same situation and choose S10 because, for the small amount of extra dough, you get a lot more camera (both "normal" and "zoom" are optical stabilized) and better screen.
I was fortunate to take advantage of the S9 buy-back for $550 credit towards the S10.
 
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I've had the G9750 S10+ (snapdragon, 512gb, ceramic white), for more than a month now. It's really great. The g9750 variant also has unlocked bootloader, so you get the benefits of the snapdragon chipset with the possibility of custom roms if you need them. Literally only downside to s10+ is it's a tad heavy, you don't need the face unlock, just use the fingerprint sensor.

Managed to snag it for £900 too, which is £200 cheaper than the exynos ceramic variant here in the UK.
 

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It's not just a phone though is it? I use it more than my laptop. Can run full fledged Linux via Dex at my desk, and it's processor is equivalent to an i5-7200u. Tell me more about how your laptop with those specs, 8gb of ddr4, 512gb ssd and a QHD+ OLED screen cost less than £900 new. If you're too poor to afford the best equipment that's your issue not anyone else's.
 
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I have the S8+ (should of gotten the S8) but anyway I'm liking it. Updated to Pie recently and it has improved a lot though on the Verizon Carrier they mod the status bar on no original Icons which I'd like to have but it's whatever

There's really no no difference between the S8/S9/S10
 
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There's really no no difference between the S8/S9/S10
I like better the cameras in my S10 than the one I had in S9. The "2x" zoom is equivalent to 52mm camera - that's the normal focal length for 35mm cameras, and similar with human field of view, it just feels "natural".
The "normal" zoom is equivalent to 26mm on both phones, and that's a very "wide" angle. Great for indoors and landscapes, but... sometimes it looks wrong, because of the field of view wider than normal vision.
The superwide camera on S10 is equivalent to 12mm! Now... that's super great indoors!

Also, it feels snappier, less laggy. No wonder... the BaseMark OS 2.0 on S9 is 3382 and on S10 is 4465, and S10e is 4264. For reference iPhone XS Max is around 3900...
 
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Camera's so so but everything else is the same besides the chipsets of course cpu side :toast:
 

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I've just upgraded myself to a P30 Pro.. I believe it's cheaper than my sister and brother in laws S10 and possibly better. The camera was the most important thing to me for my daughters really (you know a 6 year old has to have a good selfie.... :)) but over the £9 extra a month I was paying for the contract for 300 minutes, 2000 3 to 3 minutes and 12Gb data (what I was on before with my P10) I now have unlimited everything. So for the price of the phone for whatever that was, plus all of that, I'm rather pleased..

That said, I've yet to take it out the box....... Funerals and daughters taking my time up.. I mean honestly how dare they... I'll report back when I get it unboxed and used for a few hours if anyone is interested :)
 
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You know I find it funny now that we rely on our phones camera quality more then a Camera that's $$$

Even our reporters on the news use phones to either record voice or a shot with the camera :slap:
 
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You know I find it funny now that we rely on our phones camera quality more then a Camera that's $$$

We rely on the phones camera because no one wants to tote around a suitcase for all the different pieces of equipment.
 
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Yeah I understand that lol. Trust me I've carried a tripod and it's no fun
 
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