Which 3rd Gen Ryzen chip are you most excited about?

[Tomgang]

We must never underestimate the power of hype and money more than sense and that thing called "mine is better than yours".



If you purchased that i7 980x 10 years ago then I must say, you really deserve that 3950x, no contest hehe

I dit not purchase that I7 980X 10 years ago. I startet out on X58 with a more humble I7 920 that i had for about 7 and half years (From may 2009 to december 2016) and then i got my hands on that I7 980X in December 2016 to now and still going. But in total, yes i have been on X58 for 10 years. More precise 10 years whas on 22. may 2019. But even throw so many years, i have enjoyed it greatly and had some fun times over the years. So many surprises with X58 like how high i cut overclock these old chips to on air cooling (4.4 GHz for the I7 920 and 4.75 GHz for the I7 980X, but benchmark only), M.2 NVMe SSD running on this old system and a GTX 1080 TI also work´s flawless. Great times, great fun but now i have to admit that games is becomming to demanding for this old platform.

I would grab the 12 core and then save the mula for the Zen 2 + 16 core when they iron out the bugs and issues. On the other hand, I upgrade my CPUs way too damn often.

Ah nope. 16 cores for daddy here. I have my CPU´s/platform for a long time and so then i replace CPU, i also want one that can pack a serious punch. Original i planned a intel HEDT or AMD threadripper, but since amd then will release a 16 core ryzen cpu, i feel that shut be suficient for my needs the next many years again.

 

[phanbuey]

I dit not purchase that I7 980X 10 years ago. I startet out on X58 with a more humble I7 920 that i had for about 7 and half years (From may 2009 to december 2016) and then i got my hands on that I7 980X in December 2016 to now and still going. But in total, yes i have been on X58 for 10 years. More precise 10 years whas on 22. may 2019. But even throw so many years, i have enjoyed it greatly and had some fun times over the years. So many surprises with X58 like how high i cut overclock these old chips to on air cooling (4.4 GHz for the I7 920 and 4.75 GHz for the I7 980X, but benchmark only), M.2 NVMe SSD running on this old system and a GTX 1080 TI also work´s flawless. Great times, great fun but now i have to admit that games is becomming to demanding for this old platform.



Ah nope. 16 cores for daddy here. I have my CPU´s/platform for a long time and so then i replace CPU, i also want one that can pack a serious punch. Original i planned a intel HEDT or AMD threadripper, but since amd then will release a 16 core ryzen cpu, i feel that shut be suficient for my needs the next many years again.

I hear ya - and i've seen your Far Cry 5 benches - but hear me out:

Next upgrade is 3700x with some decent ram (nothing too crazy), and then put the rest of the money into one of them ultra-wide 34" 1440P IPS 120+ Hz monitors w/g-sync.

Then go to the big guy @ zen 2+ bc those are going to hit 5Ghz most likely.

 

[Tomgang]

I hear ya - and i've seen your Far Cry 5 benches - but hear me out:

Next upgrade is 3700x with some decent ram (nothing too crazy), and then put the rest of the money into one of them ultra-wide 34" 1440P IPS 120+ Hz monitors w/g-sync.

Then go to the big guy @ zen 2+ bc those are going to hit 5Ghz most likely.

I see your point with 3700X, but 8 cores is not what i am after now and If i will upgrade to Zen 2+ later, it will be when its used and cheaper. So there can go like 3-4 years before i would consider upgrade to Zen 2+. Also i dont think we will see such a major performance improvement with Zen 2+ over Zen 2 as that will only be a smaller NM die while Ryzen 3000 is bofh a new desing and smaller NM. I cut be wrong, but i do not think Zen 2+ will also come with a new desing again. So in improvement i think maybe 10 % better IPC and not like around 20 % better IPC with ryzen 3000.

About Far Cry 5. That games ran pretty good on X58. FC5 is not the culprit that made my old rig lag a bit to much. Not that whas to others games from 2019. That will be Far Cry New Dawn and Metro Exodus, Those are the games that made my desision on upgrade from X58.

 

[15th Warlock]

I'm the most excited about the 3950X, this could very well be my first AMD CPU and to be honest with you I'm looking forward to seeing the benchmarks and hopefully this monster of a CPU won't disappoint.

What an exciting time to be a PC enthusiast!

 

[Metroid]

I see your point with 3700X, but 8 cores is not what i am after now and If i will upgrade to Zen 2+ later, it will be when its used and cheaper. So there can go like 3-4 years before i would consider upgrade to Zen 2+. Also i dont think we will see such a major performance improvement with Zen 2+ over Zen 2 as that will only be a smaller NM die while Ryzen 3000 is bofh a new desing and smaller NM. I cut be wrong, but i do not think Zen 2+ will also come with a new desing again. So in improvement i think maybe 10 % better IPC and not like around 20 % better IPC with ryzen 3000.

About Far Cry 5. That games ran pretty good on X58. FC5 is not the culprit that made my old rig lag a bit to much. Not that whas to others games from 2019. That will be Far Cry New Dawn and Metro Exodus, Those are the games that made my desision on upgrade from X58.

Well at moment we dont know how ryzen 3000 series will fare against a 7nm Intel, my option to use amd at moment is more a form of protest x intel, too much bullshit over these years and I thought Intel would not do such things, but i guess this is what is called overlord habitat, meaning if you are on top for many years, and because of that edge, you start making stupid decisions because your competitor is incompetent to match your offerings or even get closer to your offerings. Anyway, I guess this is a good time for true capitalists, competition is good in every area.

I'm the most excited about the 3950X, this could very well be my first AMD CPU and to be honest with you I'm looking forward to seeing the benchmarks and hopefully this monster of a CPU won't disappoint.

What an exciting time to be a PC enthusiast!

2006 when conroe was released we felt the same thing. At that time, AMD was the bully one.

 

[springs113]

Where are you guys seeing zen2+? According to everything AMD has shown it's zen 2 then 3 no stop gap in between. I'd go as far as to speculate that AMD tapered zen2s performance somewhat, in order to make the jump to zen 3 that much bigger.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Need some reviews to help me get excited..

 

[s3thra]

I'm torn between 3600 and 3700X. I have a 2600 currently, and this is a nice chip with killer value as a gaming CPU when you take into account the overclocking potential. I anticipate the 3600 will be be of similar value once the prices drop a little bit too. But then again I could treat myself and jump up to 8 cores with even better frequencies on the 3700X. This does seem like the sweet spot in the product range, but may end up holding its price for far longer than the 3600 as I think many will gravitate to it. The 3600 might end up being the bargain that I cannot refuse.

Oh, and actual reviews will help too.

 

[snuif09]

3950x all the way, finally got decent income so why not get the best. Hell it will be really nice for running kubernetes clusters locally as well.

 

[PanicLake]

This is a comparison core count x price.

Ryzen 9 3950X (16c, $749) 105w 749/16 = $46.8 usd per core
Ryzen 9 3900X (12c, $499) 105w 499/12 = $41.5 usd per core
Ryzen 7 3800X (08c, $399) 095w 399/08 = $49.8 usd per core
Ryzen 7 3700X (08c, $329) 065w 329/08 = $41.1 usd per core
Ryzen 5 3600X (06c, $249) 095w 249/06 = $41.5 usd per core
Ryzen 5 3600 (06c, $199) 065w 199/06 = $33.1 usd per core

Intel i9 9900k (08c, $499) 095w 499/08 = $62.3 usd per core
Intel i7 9700k (08c, $379) 095w 379/08 = $47.3 usd per core
Intel i5 9600k (06c, $262) 095w 262/06 = $43.7 usd per core

The winner here hands down is the 3900x, second stays with 3700x and third with 3950x.

The cost per core doesn't make much sense... it does only if all the chips taken in consideration have the same core performance... which I don't believe they have.
Is like comparing cars with cost per cilinder...

 

[Metroid]

The cost per core doesn't make much sense... it does only if all the chips taken in consideration have the same core performance... which I don't believe they have.
Is like comparing cars with cost per cilinder...

Agreed, but this is the best we can do at moment, core factor comparison. Games of thrones? Games of cores? This was unfair x ryzen gen 1 as it was very behind intel while having more cores, ryzen 2 shorted it and now ryzen 3xxx 7nm seems to have matched x intel 14nm++ in core performance, still, is very unfair to compare 7nm x 14nm, a better comparison would be if it was intel 7nm x amd 7nm. All things considered, we have to take products that we have here at moment. So to find a fair comparison is hard, so based in cores and as those cores have almost a similar performance then we can conclude while is not a perfect comparison, it does somehow show where your money will be better spent.

 

[newtekie1]

None. I was excited in the 3800X or 3850X when the specs leaked, but now that we having pricing and we see AMD is going back to their old price gouging selves I'm not excited for either.

 

[Metroid]

None. I was excited in the 3800X or 3850X when the specs leaked, but now that we having pricing and we see AMD is going back to their old price gouging selves I'm not excited for either.

Well, amd is not here to make friends but they are making many more friends than intel at moment hehe, adoredtv prices were very misleading, how can a 16 cores cost $499 while intel had it for $1700, pricing it $499 is idiotic. I do think amd is giving an amazing price for a 16 core cpu here, is better than intel 16 cores in every benchmark and yet cost half of that. You can't go wrong with that.

 

[newtekie1]

Well, amd is not here to make friends but they are making many more friends than intel at moment hehe, adoredtv prices were very misleading, how can a 16 cores cost $499 while intel had it for $1700, pricing it $499 is idiotic. I do think amd is giving an amazing price for a 16 core cpu here, is better than intel 16 cores in every benchmark and yet cost half of that. You can't go wrong with that.

Right now we are in a situation where Intel's chips with the same core count can outperform AMD's by 33%+ in some multi-threaded loads that actually use all those cores. I mean, when you look at things like video encoding, you've got the 8c/16t 2700X losing to the 6c/12t 8700K. And not by a small margin either, we're talking the 8700K is over 10% faster. Yes, Zen2 will make up some of this gab, but core for core, Intel will still be faster. Especially comparing the HEDT to mainstream segments. The 9960X isn't $1700 just because it has 16 cores, the entire platform is just downright better(and more expensive) than the mainstream platform. Quad-channel memory, 68 PCI-E lanes, etc. All of that costs money. Comparing a mainstream processor to a HEDT processor on cost only because they have the same core count doesn't make sense.

And at the end of the day, $500 is about the maximum we should be seeing on a mainstream processor. There is no reason the 3850X should be priced 50% higher than anything else we've seen in the mainstream market. As it is, the 9900K is overpriced. It shouldn't cost $500, it should have been the $350 chip to replace the 8700K. As time progresses, we should be able to get more for our money, but we aren't seeing that. Each time either side released something better than their last product, it also comes at a higher price. That's not progress.

 

[Metroid]

Right now we are in a situation where Intel's chips with the same core count can outperform AMD's by 33%+ in some multi-threaded loads that actually use all those cores. I mean, when you look at things like video encoding, you've got the 8c/16t 2700X losing to the 6c/12t 8700K. And not by a small margin either, we're talking the 8700K is over 10% faster. Yes, Zen2 will make up some of this gab, but core for core, Intel will still be faster. Especially comparing the HEDT to mainstream segments. The 9960X isn't $1700 just because it has 16 cores, the entire platform is just downright better(and more expensive) than the mainstream platform. Quad-channel memory, 68 PCI-E lanes, etc. All of that costs money. Comparing a mainstream processor to a HEDT processor on cost only because they have the same core count doesn't make sense.

And at the end of the day, $500 is about the maximum we should be seeing on a mainstream processor. There is no reason the 3850X should be priced 50% higher than anything else we've seen in the mainstream market. As it is, the 9900K is overpriced. It shouldn't cost $500, it should have been the $350 chip to replace the 8700K. As time progresses, we should be able to get more for our money, but we aren't seeing that. Each time either side released something better than their last product, it also comes at a higher price. That's not progress.

Agreed, amd has a chance now but since we have not seen reviews yet then I can't really back up anything other than amd's ceo standing right up there and saying her product is few percentage better than the 9900k in single thread and much better in multi-thread. At this time 9900k still the best cpu because is in the stores to be sold whereas amd's 3xxx is not yet. As for the price and as I already said intel and amd is not here to make friends although I agree cpus must have been cheaper past each iteration, sadly manufactures dont see the way we see.

 

[HD64G]

I say wait for reviews people. Only then we will safely judge the vfm. Now we have some official performance leaks and the retail price. My opinion for now is that if Zen2 CPUs are very close or tie to Intel's gaming performance, AMD are giving us bargains as for almost everything else they will crush Intel (apart from apps made with Intel compilers that reduce AMD CPU's performance on purpose, so watch for Linux reviews in Phoronix as well to avoid that). Also, efficiency is much better than Intel CPUs and compatibility with previous Zen and Zen+ motherboards alongside with higher RAM speeds and reduced latencies are big pluses. Confirmation or not in less than a month now.

 

[springs113]

Well, amd is not here to make friends but they are making many more friends than intel at moment hehe, adoredtv prices were very misleading, how can a 16 cores cost $499 while intel had it for $1700, pricing it $499 is idiotic. I do think amd is giving an amazing price for a 16 core cpu here, is better than intel 16 cores in every benchmark and yet cost half of that. You can't go wrong with that.

Not for nothing the 1950x can be had for under $500 right now. So let me get this straight $499 for a 16 core is idiotic? What do you call an 18 core 9980xe for $2,000?

Granted if the reviews show that the 3950x does trounce the 9980xe what will you say then?

 

[dirtyferret]

no point waiting for Zen 2 when Intel is about to leak info on their upcoming chocolate lake CPUs...

 

[Metroid]

Not for nothing the 1950x can be had for under $500 right now. So let me get this straight $499 for a 16 core is idiotic? What do you call an 18 core 9980xe for $2,000?

Granted if the reviews show that the 3950x does trounce the 9980xe what will you say then?

I meant compared performance wise, since 3950x is a lot closer to 9980 or even beating it than the 1950x. Lisa --> "If ryzen 3xxx per core thread performance is almost equal or better than the competition then lets price a bit lower and yet profit big" hehe

 

[HammerON]

I might have to look closely at the 3950X for my next crunching rig...
Going to wait and see what AMD brings with the next Threadrippers first.

 

[RevengE]

I am still rocking my FX-8350... so I am pretty excited about damn near everything Ryzen 2 and up. I am starting to plan a new build for the first time really in years and years. The 8350 has and still does what I need it to. Really like the 2700x and was planning build with that. I am just waiting around now to see what happens.

 

[John Naylor]

Until we see what application performance is, on what basis are we supposed to make a determination ? It's kinda like getting my list of 12 year olds names for new recruits for next year's Little League team .... Nothing on the list that gives the coach any indication of player performance. I don't have any boxes that run benchmarks all day.

At the $250 (typical gamer) price point, we have been using the 9600k At the $500 price point (gamer w/ video editing), we are currently using 9900k. If any of the upcoming CPUs outperform the 10th generation offerings from Intel in those price / usage categories, we'll make a change.

 

[Melvis]

The 3950X would be the one im most excited about, coming from a 2700X anything 8 cores is so 2 yrs ago

But im more then happy with my current CPU but would like to see the performance of the 3950X when it comes out, if it has a all core boost clock of 4GHz then id be even more excited, but for now im good and will wait for Zen 3

 

[SIGSEGV]

3950x for my next workstation/computation rig!!
and slightly for gaming

 

[PanicLake]

Agreed, but this is the best we can do at moment, core factor comparison.

The best we can do is wait...