Intel Pushes the Panic Button with Core i9-9900KS

[Vlada011]

Every normal person who used on Intel platform and have some of newer generations with DDR4 know that now is bad time for buying Intel processors.
They done every single move except to develop new core and can't battle any more with Intel Core vs Zen Core.

You should stop to buy processors looking Cinebench Multi Score because they manipulate with you on two ways, with frequency and more cores.
When you see that new core is 50% faster then previous then it's time for upgrade. But before that you need to do one thing or again you will be under influence of manipulation.
You should use average OC frequency on previous and new generation. Or if you don't do that you could measure single core of i7-5960X on 3.0GHz with new Intel on 5.0GHz.
One can OC 100MHz, and other can OC 1500MHz. On that way they still your money.

Intel didn't know that Zen cores will show up or Turbo frequency of i7-5960X would be 4.2GHz and reviews would be 30% better or more automatically.
Later they fix that, but now because much newer type of core that's not enough any more.
They try with customization to make car/cpu 10 years old competitive with new one and you pay additional parts, new wheels, turbo chargers, modifications, try to make him lighter and more faster and additional parts cost two times more then new car.
Cinebench multi is not relevant for upgrading, or 198 ws 175 single thread. Need to be 300cb vs 200cb example.

 

[trog100]

they are just doing what they did with the 8700K with a name change 8086K 5 gig out of the box..

i have just picked up a 9900K for £390 quid.. £435 with a £45 discount code..

if it dosnt easily manage 5 gig on all cores i will be very disappointed...

trog

 

[ToxicTaZ]

If you want the fastest 8 cores CPU for 2019 buy the 9900KS.

If you can't afford the fastest 8 cores 9900KS then buy the second place 8 cores 3800X.

If you want a faster than 9900KS then buy the 12 cores 3900X.

Basically
3900X is the 9900KS Killer
9900KS is the 3800X Killer

Not everyone can afford top i9 & R9 CPUs...

Im curios about 9900KS OC.... Since the 9900K can do 5.1GHz, I would think that the 9900KS would be around 5.3GHz being a cherry picked binned CPU?

I be watching the the silicon lottery to see what happens.

Intel Core i9 9900K @ 5.1GHz Boxed Processor

Intel Core i9 9900K Overclocked and Binned CPU.

siliconlottery.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

if it dosnt easily manage 5 gig on all cores i will be very disappointed...

If it doesn't send it back a claim it's defective.

 

[trog100]

my 8700k will run at 5.2 gig.. it just gets too hot..

i currently have it at 5.1 for some gaming tests before it goes up on ebay.. i should get £300 for it which makes the upgrade to a 9900K at the £390 i paid for it not overly expensive..

if the 9900k does 5 gig on all cores at reasonable temps i will be happy..

trog

 

[EarthDog]

they are just doing what they did with the 8700K with a name change 8086K 5 gig out of the box..

It's different, actually. The 8086k was an anniversary special with slightly raised clocks. Boost clocks still applied. The 9900KS is 5 ghz all c/t all the time. No boost. Nada. There's a big difference in how that works.

I'll admit, I had a little giggle at this upgrade of yours... I mean, you neuter your cards to keep a certain fps.... why would you upgrade your cpu? Is there something a 6c/12t cpu cant handle or you going to run the 9900k at 6c/12t... lololol

 

[trog100]

It's different, actually. The 8086k was an anniversary special with slightly raised clocks. Boost clocks still applied. The 9900KS is 5 ghz all c/t all the time. No boost. Nada. There's a big difference in how that works.

I'll admit, I had a little giggle at this upgrade of yours... I mean, you neuter your cards to keep a certain fps.... why would you upgrade your cpu? Is there something a 6c/12t cpu cant handle or you going to run the 9900k at 6c/12t... lololol

as i repeatably keep telling you i buy stuff because i can not because i need to.. he he

no way would i have paid £600 for a 9900k but £390 temped me..

by the time i sell my 8700K the upgrade will cost me £90.. by my standards not exactly a lot..

for what its worth the german website now has the 9900k listed for £455 and the £40 discount code has vanished.. i think i just dropped on a lucky deal.. he he..

Scan UK still want £500 for one..

trog

for what its worth i have dropped the 2080ti frame rate cap.. for reasons unknown to me it was causing coil whine.. i still run the 70% power limit cap.. the card still scores 12500 in time spy.. plenty enough gaming performance for me..

 

[EarthDog]

as i repeatably keep telling you i buy stuff because i can not because i need to.. he he

he he that doesnt mean the way you use it isnt still head scratching for those around you he he


Anyway... the thread title is hilarious... panic button. Lololhe helololol

 

[trog100]

he he that doesnt mean the way you use it isnt still head scratching for those around you he he


Anyway... the thread title is hilarious... panic button. Lololhe helololol

i will be interested to see what the new "panic button" costs when it arrives.. he he..

trog

 

[TheMadDutchDude]

Reading the conversation between you two just reminds me of this:

 

[ToxicTaZ]

It's different, actually. The 8086k was an anniversary special with slightly raised clocks. Boost clocks still applied. The 9900KS is 5 ghz all c/t all the time. No boost. Nada. There's a big difference in how that works.

I'll admit, I had a little giggle at this upgrade of yours... I mean, you neuter your cards to keep a certain fps.... why would you upgrade your cpu? Is there something a 6c/12t cpu cant handle or you going to run the 9900k at 6c/12t... lololol

Not what I heard about the 9900KS, the 9900KS base clock is 4GHz and Turbo is 5GHz all cores! That's factory stock settings.

Yes you can run the 9900KS @5GHz OC all cores all the time as an AVX0 OC.

Side by side 9900K vs 9900KS both @5.1GHz the 9900KS would have better temperature over the 9900K because the 9900KS is the higher yielding CPU with the higher prices unfortunately.

So the only benefits from the 9900KS over the the 9900K are better Temp and probably 200MHz at best over the 9900K.

9900KS AVX-0 @5.3GHz would be amazing CPU if you're cooling it by EK bring out those Benchmarks!!

 

[EarthDog]

That is still different than the typical steppings. The 8086k was also only single core 5ghz... this is single and all c/t at 5ghz out of the box. No steppings... it 4ghz or 5 ghz.

Reading the conversation between you two just reminds me of this:

I love that cartoon...its just classic how he throws those random he he's in there, so I do it too occasionally when talking to him.

Like signing your name after every post as if nobody is sure who posted it.. wth is that about? He he!

 

[TheMadDutchDude]

There's no guarantee it would have better temperatures... it's the same silicon. The only way it would yield a temperature difference is if the voltage required was lower and the mount between IHS/CPU die was better.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

There's no guarantee it would have better temperatures... it's the same silicon. The only way it would yield a temperature difference is if the voltage required was lower and the mount between IHS/CPU die was better.

Just like the on difference between 8700K and 8086K is the Cherry Picked higher binned CPUs as the 8086K gets better temperature @5GHz over the 8700K @5GHz. Both are the same silicon!

Same thing going to happen with the 9900KS Cherry Picked higher binned CPUs will get a little better temperature and higher OC over the 9900K. Is it worth the value NO but that doesn't stop people from buying the fastest Gaming 8 cores CPU on the planet.

 

[EarthDog]

Just like the on difference between 8700K and 8086K is the Cherry Picked higher binned CPUs as the 8086K gets better temperature @5GHz over the 8700K @5GHz. Both are the same silicon!

Same thing going to happen with the 9900KS Cherry Picked higher binned CPUs will get a little better temperature and higher OC over the 9900K. Is it worth the value NO but that doesn't stop people from buying the fastest Gaming 8 cores CPU on the planet.

Maybe on the overclock. It's only binned for 5 ghz all c/t and not a penny more. 35% of 9900k can reach 5ghz all c/t at 1.3V according to silicon lottery. I'd be surprised if they averaged more than 100 Hz more than 9900k honestly.

 

[ToxicTaZ]

Maybe on the overclock. It's only binned for 5 ghz all c/t and not a penny more. 35% of 9900k can reach 5ghz all c/t at 1.3V according to silicon lottery. I'd be surprised if they averaged more than 100 Hz more than 9900k honestly.

9900KS is basically a cheaper alternative to siliconlottery binned CPUs.

9900KS @5.2GHz yes 100MHz most likely but very possible 5.3GHz all cores AVX-0 sweet spot. But like I said before only with great cooling by EK or Swiftech or equivalent others is definitely needed in the 9900KS @5.3GHz club!

 

[trog100]

very little software runs all these threads..

i have just been playing division 2 with my 8700k at 5.1 gig.. a cpu load test which does does load all threads shows temps well over 90 C at 5.1 gig.. playing division 2 shows temps around 75 C

for me a 9900k will just be something to fiddle with for a while.. as i said earlier i am hoping for it to hold 5 g on all cores at reasonable temps.. i dont need 5.2 or 5.3..

as for what reasonable temps mean.. having just been buying and looking at high end gaming laptops my idea of reasonable temps has gone up a little..

jet engine noise and cpu temps at 90 C are pretty normal for high end gaming laptops.. i like my desk top machine to be near silent but I am beginning to think 90 C is okay running cpu burner tests..

trog

 

[ToxicTaZ]

All depends apon what cooling system set up you have! I too play Division 2 with my 8700K @5.1GHz AVX-0 @1.4v around 50c/30dBA and then on Prime95 full load around 70c/40dBA Cooled by EK.

At low 30dBA noise is not a problem PC gaming for me... Using stock ROG Fan Expert 4 controler.

My 8700K 1.44v AVX-1 @5.2GHz is 80c+/45dBA loads is unacceptable for every day gaming only good for benchmarking plus as loud as a vacuum cleaner I tell you.

My 8700K @5.3GHz AVX-2 windows RS5 boots but not stable.

If you're not Extreme OC buying 9900KS leaving it at stock is still a crazy fast gaming CPU for sure! Any Prefilled 240mm cooling system is good enough.

But pushing that 9900KS 4GHz base to 5.3GHz all cores OC is definitely a Watts Monster/Heat Monster for sure in benchmarks heaven.

ToxicTaZ

 

[lexluthermiester]

Reading the conversation between you two just reminds me of this:

That is exactly what I was thinking... LOL!

9900KS is basically a cheaper alternative to siliconlottery binned CPUs.

9900KS @5.2GHz yes 100MHz most likely but very possible 5.3GHz all cores AVX-0 sweet spot. But like I said before only with great cooling by EK or Swiftech or equivalent others is definitely needed in the 9900KS @5.3GHz club!

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That is some crowded space. Get yourself a bigger case!

 

[Valantar]

That is some crowded space. Get yourself a bigger case!

Crowded? That thing? You ought to spend some time in the "builds" section over at smallformfactor.net

 

[lexluthermiester]

Crowded? That thing? You ought to spend some time in the "builds" section over at smallformfactor.net

Fair enough..

 

[ToxicTaZ]

That Full Tower case is basically 10 years old. It's a "Cooler Master HAF X Nvidia Edition"

Cooler Master Intros HAF-X NVIDIA Edition Case

Things are looking upbeat at NVIDIA, and to feed that, Cooler Master is out with its latest NVIDIA-themed case, the HAF-X NVIDIA Edition. The company is known for making a wide range of cases themed after the GPU giant. The HAF-X NVIDIA Edition uses the HAF-X design overall, with a bright green...

www.techpowerup.com

Had to modify it for two Push-pull EK RADs... 420mm/45mm and 140mm/45mm with two D5 pumps. The EK loop is not done yet as the new Nvidia 2080 NVlink setup is still air.... Need two EK GPU water blocks.

Went with soft Tubing for easy 10 minutes CPU swoops (8700K to 9900KS), with hard Tubing it's a major job for CPUs swooping. Definitely hard Tubing looks better and clearer builds.

Yes I need a new Super Tower upgrade, I have been looking at this one...

In Win Launches 928 Super Tower case for $999

In Win, a known luxurious case manufacturer has launched a super tower case titled the 928. The case costs $999 and is made out of premium and high-quality materials such as aluminium and tempered glass. In Win positions this case with the aim to "Present PC's Power" using its spacious interior...

www.techpowerup.com

In-Win looks roomy for my level of builds... Using old pictures

- 8700K @5.1GHz AVX-0 on Maximus X FORMULA
- G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4133MHz CL17 32GB 1.40v
- 3 200mm case fans and 230mm fan

(((9900KS Ready)))

 

[lexluthermiester]

That Full Tower case is basically 10 years old. It's a "Cooler Master HAF X Nvidia Edition"

Cooler Master Intros HAF-X NVIDIA Edition Case

Things are looking upbeat at NVIDIA, and to feed that, Cooler Master is out with its latest NVIDIA-themed case, the HAF-X NVIDIA Edition. The company is known for making a wide range of cases themed after the GPU giant. The HAF-X NVIDIA Edition uses the HAF-X design overall, with a bright green...

www.techpowerup.com

Had to modify it for two Push-pull EK RADs... 420mm/45mm and 140mm/45mm with two D5 pumps. The EK loop is not done yet as the new Nvidia 2080 NVlink setup is still air.... Need two EK GPU water blocks.

Went with soft Tubing for easy 10 minutes CPU swoops (8700K to 9900KS), with hard Tubing it's a major job for CPUs swooping. Definitely hard Tubing looks better and clearer builds.

Yes I need a new Super Tower upgrade, I have been looking at this one...

In Win Launches 928 Super Tower case for $999

In Win, a known luxurious case manufacturer has launched a super tower case titled the 928. The case costs $999 and is made out of premium and high-quality materials such as aluminium and tempered glass. In Win positions this case with the aim to "Present PC's Power" using its spacious interior...

www.techpowerup.com

In-Win looks roomy for my level of builds... Using old pictures

- 8700K @5.1GHz AVX-0 on Maximus X FORMULA
- G.Skill Trident Z RGB 4133MHz CL17 32GB 1.40v
- 3 200mm case fans and 230mm fan

(((9900KS Ready)))
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I hope my comment didn't come off as me saying it's ugly in any way. Actually I think it's very cool. It's that the air-flow gets more and more restricted as things get more crowded. You may want to consider one of these;

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Lots of room, fully open for display. I've built a few systems out of these and they are a joy to work with. And only $250.

 

[Valantar]

I hope my comment didn't come off as me saying it's ugly in any way. Actually I think it's very cool. It's that the air-flow gets more and more restricted as things get more crowded. You may want to consider one of these;

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Buy Thermaltake Tower 900 Snow Edition Tempered Glass Fully Modular E-ATX Vertical Super Tower Chassis CA-1H1-00F6WN-00 with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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Lots of room, fully open for display. I've built a few systems out of these and they are a joy to work with. And only $250.

That thing does in no way look cramped enough to block any noticeable airflow. What would be blocking it? The tubing? Sure, there's plenty of stuff in there, but also plenty of free space. Vents and fans are what ensure airflow, and people consistently overestimate the value of having the case as open as possible.

 

[GoldenX]

We need something to replace ATX.