Intel 9900k.. my findings.. Heat..

[trog100]

bought just less than a week ago from Scan UK..

the reason i bought it now was because i expect some heavy binning to happen as intel prepare for a 9900K refresh with 5 .g out the box on all cores..

trog

 

[dorsetknob]

If you didn't ask for help (as you said) why did you make such long thread only to say something that applies to your particular situation. It does not help anybody else in any way and just creates confusion.

Par for Trog he like's a Rant..............and he still needs to improve his cooling ( i do Believe Intel Advised not to Overclock this Chip due to overheating issues).

 

[trog100]

No, its not a lie, I run it at stock. I have Noctua NH-C14S and never see anything higher that 70C

If you cook you CPU ant 100C then it is your problem.
If you didn't ask for help (as you said) why did you make such long thread only to say something that applies to your particular situation. It does not help anybody else in any way and just creates confusion.

the thread runs on and i reply to comments just like i am doing to yours.. my asus bios has tons of settings but one says performance mode the other says power saving mode... i assume power saving mode is the boards attempt to within intels 95 watt limit..

already owning a nice 8700K chip running nice and cool at 4.9 g.. i for sure didnt buy a 9900k to see it throttle down to 4.2 g while it tries to stay within intels false 95 tdp limit..

trog

Par for Trog he like's a Rant..............and he still needs to improve his cooling ( i do Believe Intel Advised not to Overclock this Chip due to overheating issues).

i currently have it set in "best gaming chip mode".. i just made that up but its still a pretend 6 core 12 thread 8700K running a nice and cool 5.g... to be honest being as i dont do content creation i may well leave it this way..

i am also happy to admit i should not have bought this silly 9900k in the first place.. i should have stuck with my original intentions to delid my 8700k and bump it up to a nice and cool 5.g.. something it would not quite mange without a delid.. however my pretend 8700 with its lower voltage does does this just fine.. he he

its also been fun playing with it and finding out stuff and my 8700K sold on ebay pretty quickly so i am a happy bunny..

trog

ps.. its also very difficult to figure out what "stock" actually means with this chip.. if it means staying within intels 95 watt tdp limit.. temps are not the slightest problem.. total lies abouts its performance would be the problem there.. he he

 

[Vayra86]

a delid will drop those temps by 20c

I know, and I might jump at some point. Soonish I'm lazy like that, the rig is for gaming, not endless tinkering.

Par for Trog he like's a Rant..............and he still needs to improve his cooling ( i do Believe Intel Advised not to Overclock this Chip due to overheating issues).

Holy shit so I wasn't the only one who noticed then

 

[trog100]

can someone tell me what they think stock setting for this 9900k chip are.. i will apply these setting and we can forget all about over clocking temps and just talk about stock tempts..

we might get some sense if we talk about temps at stock setting.. to be honest i aint sure what stock means with this chip.. it dosnt seem intel is ether..

while i am waiting for suggestions i will make some attempts to figure out "stock" none overclocked settings actually are..

trog

 

[Vayra86]

can someone tell me what they think stock setting for this 9900k chip are.. i will apply these setting and we can forget all about over clocking temps and just talk about stock tempts..

we might get some sense if we talk about temps at stock setting.. to be honest i aint sure what stock means with this chip.. it dosnt seem intel is ether..

while i am waiting for suggestions i will make some attempts to figure out "stock" none overclocked settings actually are..

trog

Intel provides a voltage curve and it even applies to OC multipliers. Its simple to get there, use Offset voltage and set it it at +-0 and set the turbo to Auto. Then you can play around with the turbo and see what happens at higher clocks.

 

[trog100]

okay lets start from scratch.. here is what i get with everything set at auto.. could this be considered stock for a 9900k.. ??

just bear in mind most folks who buy this chip and aint tech heads and might well end up with what i am seeing here.. nice temps but a pathetic 4.3 g on all cores..

the core voltage on auto is up around 1.35 before it all throttles down..

trog

 

[Vayra86]

Yep, that seems about right to me - 4.3 all core turbo and inching into the 80C territory perfectly within spec and safe range (and on a rather midrange air tower). Try an AVX load now, some OCCT would be cool to see.

And take note of that loooow voltage there, though I'm sure this isn't peak. That'd be around 1.15 with vDroop, and 1.2 spike, give or take?

It'll be interesting to see how far the turbo clocks go without touching volts, and the voltage increase from just a turbo multi bump.

Some HWmonitor is also nice to see your vcore max/avg/min. It tells you something about stock LLC.

 

[EarthDog]

can someone tell me what they think stock setting for this 9900k chip are.. i will apply these setting and we can forget all about over clocking temps and just talk about stock tempts..

we might get some sense if we talk about temps at stock setting.. to be honest i aint sure what stock means with this chip.. it dosnt seem intel is ether..

while i am waiting for suggestions i will make some attempts to figure out "stock" none overclocked settings actually are..

trog

I (and others) asked this of you a day ago... to start over and see what voltages are with AVX loads (handbrake you were testing). You should run whatever stress test you run (Furmark for the CPU??? Not a common one) with Intel XTU up in the background and see if anything is throttling (same with Handbrake).

while i am waiting for suggestions

I hope this was a joke.. see above. SMFH...

 

[trog100]

Yep, that seems about right to me - 4.3 all core turbo and inching into the 80C territory perfectly within spec and safe range (and on a rather midrange air tower). Try an AVX load now, some OCCT would be cool to see.

And take note of that loooow voltage there, though I'm sure this isn't peak. That'd be around 1.15 with vDroop, and 1.2 spike, give or take?

It'll be interesting to see how far the turbo clocks go without touching volts, and the voltage increase from just a turbo multi bump.

so you are saying a 9900k should only be running at a measly 4.3 gig at stock.. ???

bear in mind i am trying to establish exactly what stock is not how to alter things.. i know how to do that..

even on a hot summer UK day my temps would not go above 65C on these settings.. they would not creep up to 80 C.. i think my chip is a later revision that will run on lower core voltages..

thanks for your comments..

i do know what is happening.. auto selects power saving mode and not performance mode.. oddly enough when you dont have the memory xmp set it dosnt do this on auto.. this dosnt help with what can be considered "stock" though..

trog

 

[Vayra86]

so you are saying a 9900k should only be running at a measly 4.3 gig at stock.. ???

bear in mind i am trying to establish exactly what stock is not how to alter things.. i know how to do that..

even on a hot summer UK day my temps would not go above 65C on these settings.. they would not creep up to 80 C.. i think my chip is a later revision that will run on lower core voltages..

thanks for your comments..

i do know what is happening.. auto selects power saving mode and not performance mode.. oddly enough when you dont have the memory xmp set it dosnt do this on auto.. this dosnt help with what can be considered "stock" though..

trog

No, actually, it should be 4.7. Might be related to that stress test you run. I somehow thought of the 8700K stock turbo

Don't forget your LLC setting. I don't know what it should be on your board for stock. Usually some pretty loose setting is auto.

Also check your AVX offset. This might also be set differently by the board maker on stock bios. I would suggest 0 offset.

NOTE: stock bios =/= Intel stock CPU settings!

Stock turbo

Stock frequency curve

i do know what is happening.. auto selects power saving mode and not performance mode.. oddly enough when you dont have the memory xmp set it dosnt do this on auto.. this dosnt help with what can be considered "stock" though..

Hmm. XMP is considered overclocking and it also affects CPU heat and volts, so. That definitely needs to be set NOT to XMP if you want stock.

OK. I'm done ninja editing now

 

[EarthDog]

If he is seeing 4.3 GHz, he may be throttling or that is an AVX offset. Intel XTU will tell you throttling reasons (if any).

i do know what is happening.. auto selects power saving mode and not performance mode.. oddly enough when you dont have the memory xmp set it dosnt do this on auto.. this dosnt help with what can be considered "stock" though..

When selecting XMP, you likely said yes to enabling the core enhancement. You can run stock Intel settings with XMP on an ASUS board... just say NO to the MCE question after enabling XMP.

 

[trog100]

I (and others) asked this of you a day ago... to start over and see what voltages are with AVX loads (handbrake you were testing). You should run whatever stress test you run (Furmark for the CPU??? Not a common one) with Intel XTU up in the background and see if anything is throttling (same with Handbrake).

I hope this was a joke.. see above. SMFH...

dude you have this well wrong.. i am just trying to establish what could be considered stock setting for a 9900k.. my duty is not to prove stuff to you and am not going to.. i know 100% i am not giving out false voltage figures.. past experience with you tells me you keep nit picking away for ever.. its just what you do..

trog

 

[Vayra86]

If he is seeing 4.3 GHz, he may be throttling or that is an AVX offset. Intel XTU will tell you throttling reasons (if any).

When selecting XMP, you likely said yes to enabling the core enhancement. You can run stock Intel settings with XMP on an ASUS board... just say NO to the MCE question after enabling XMP.

dude you have this well wrong.. i am just trying to establish what could be considered stock setting for a 9900k.. my duty is not to prove stuff to you and am not going to.. i know 100% i am not giving out false voltage figures.. past experience with you tells me you keep nit picking away for ever.. its just what you do..

trog

You do make a lovely couple

 

[EarthDog]

You do make a lovely couple

Where the husband murders the wife that never listens and drones on at times incoherently? Sounds about right!



Trog, I'm not asking you to prove anything to me. I am trying to help you (move forward). Myself and a half dozen others have thrown out these suggestions over the 90 posts in this thread. Including the one to start over. I also just told you exactly what you needed to hear to get your stock settings with XMP enabled and following whatever you are doing now.

Nobody said you were giving out false information...but looking for a confirmation because those who have more than a 'vague' idea of how this works, thinks something isn't right. So maybe humor those around you, eh?

 

[trog100]

guys i am seeing 4.3 because this is what happens when the motherboard bios decider try and follow intels 95 watt tdp limitation..

if i get rid of the auto setting and select performance mode we would be seeing.. 4.7 g..

no problems here except deciding which can be considered stock.. the mobo keeping to intels 95 tdp or the mobo ignoring it and running 125 watts or whatever it takes to maintain 4.7 g on all cores..

which is stock.. i am happy to go with 4.7 g at whatever watts it takes.. if we agree on this i will turn the auto selected power saving mode off..

i just want to know what people think stock is..

trog

You do make a lovely couple

rightly or wrongly the dog does my head in.. i am sure i do the same for him..

trog

 

[EarthDog]

guys i am seeing 4.3 because this is what happens when the motherboard bios decider try and follow intels 95 watt tdp limitation..

Well whodeha..... a power limit........wonder who said that may be happening? lol

If he is seeing 4.3 GHz, he may be throttling or that is an AVX offset. Intel XTU will tell you throttling reasons (if any).

select performance mode

What do you mean 'performance mode'? BIOS screenshot plz.

Stock is this - Set motherboard to OPTIMIZED DEFAULTS (its a Function key). Save, and reboot. That is stock for the board and BIOS you have. If you enable XMP to get the memory running at speed (though technically this is overclocking the IMC)... again... do not enable MCE when it asks and that should do it.

rightly or wrongly the dog does my head in.. i am sure i do the same for him..

Honestly, and truthfully, I laugh as I post these...but your posting style is annoying as hell. Certainly in a pub F2F we would likely enjoy each other's time, but through this forum, sweet jesus christ, no.


I don't know if anyone has seen the Lego movie... but good cop/bad cops dad reminds me of trog... Remember the scene where the bad guy was trying to glue him down and asked a simple instruction of him and he couldn't follow it?? Stand over here and don't move... he doesn't stand there. Asks again, moves in the direction.... not quite there yet.... asks again, stands in the spot, then moves.... frustration ensues.

Intel does have specs for processors. Stock is 95W with 118 W being allowed for up to 8 seconds.

I also linked an anandtech article earlier explaining all of this...

 

[londiste]

which is stock.. i am happy to go with 4.7 g at whatever watts it takes.. if we agree on this i will turn the auto selected power saving mode off..
i just want to know what people think stock is..

Intel does have specs for processors. Stock is 95W with 118 W being allowed for up to 8 seconds.
Unfortunately this is not what has been implemented. Is that by Intel or motherboard manufacturers is kind of irrelevant here.

Auto setting... do you happen to use an ASUS board by any chance? MCE is a thing since 8700K.

 

[Vayra86]

guys i am seeing 4.3 because this is what happens when the motherboard bios decider try and follow intels 95 watt tdp limitation..

if i get rid of the auto setting and select performance mode we would be seeing.. 4.7 g..

no problems here except deciding which can be considered stock.. the mobo keeping to intels 95 tdp or the mobo ignoring it and running 125 watts or whatever it takes to maintain 4.7 g on all cores..

which is stock.. i am happy to go with 4.7 g at whatever watts it takes.. if we agree on this i will turn the auto selected power saving mode off..

i just want to know what people think stock is..

trog



rightly or wrongly the dog does my head in.. i am sure i do the same for him..

trog

That is some funny stuff. So basically the 8700K was the Intel TDP limited CPU, and 9 series is going over royally without them telling us Boy I wonder why they needed to solder all of a sudden

'Stock' is literally an OC setting.

 

[hat]

guys i am seeing 4.3 because this is what happens when the motherboard bios decider try and follow intels 95 watt tdp limitation..

if i get rid of the auto setting and select performance mode we would be seeing.. 4.7 g..

no problems here except deciding which can be considered stock.. the mobo keeping to intels 95 tdp or the mobo ignoring it and running 125 watts or whatever it takes to maintain 4.7 g on all cores..

which is stock.. i am happy to go with 4.7 g at whatever watts it takes.. if we agree on this i will turn the auto selected power saving mode off..

i just want to know what people think stock is..

trog



rightly or wrongly the dog does my head in.. i am sure i do the same for him..

trog

That's a messy subject, isn't it? Some might say true stock would be considered 3.6GHz, the CPU's base clock. Anything beyond that, that is, Turbo mode, is not guaranteed. That's also how they get away with calling it a 95w chip, when it most certainly is not when Turbo is active. You're not even at the clockspeeds coded into the chip for Turbo because the board is limiting it to 95 watts. This wasn't a problem with earlier chips because they could hit their max turbo frequency and still stay within the specified TDP, but now it's a mess because the specified "stock" turbo frequencies are going over the 95w limit. Whether or not it's considered stock to have that limit in place or not seems to be up in the air, not only among ourselves but also among mobo manufacturers?

 

[Vayra86]

That's a messy subject, isn't it? Some might say true stock would be considered 3.6GHz, the CPU's base clock. Anything beyond that, that is, Turbo mode, is not guaranteed. That's also how they get away with calling it a 95w chip, when it most certainly is not when Turbo is active. You're not even at the clockspeeds coded into the chip for Turbo because the board is limiting it to 95 watts. This wasn't a problem with earlier chips because they could hit their max turbo frequency and still stay within the specified TDP, but now it's a mess because the specified "stock" turbo frequencies are going over the 95w limit. Whether or not it's considered stock to have that limit in place or not seems to be up in the air, not only among ourselves but also among mobo manufacturers?

Let's just call it what it is.

Intel was looking for more performance and found it while being as vague as possible about it. And mobo makers were eager to play ball.

 

[londiste]

I stopped to consider that being purely on Intel after buying my AM4 system.

I have an AM4 board that caused me to re-think about running R5 2400G with the 90W PSU I have in that box. Monitoring tools showed CPU to consume 85-90W under load and a simple power meter essentially confirmed that was the case. At that point I assumed 2400G was a 90W TDP CPU. After looking at the CPU specs I found to my surprise that it is a 65W TDP CPU. Closer look revealed a setting in BIOS similar to MCE that kept running CPU at 3.9 on all cores as well as running full load on iGPU happily at the same time. That setting was gone after the next BIOS update, along with cTDP setting and couple others, to my dismay.

 

[trog100]

okay here we go at what most folks would consider stock.. auto selected 4.7 g on all cores.. take note i am not trying to overclcock this thing any more just trying to run it at "stock" speeds.. its still a thermal throttling oven.. a massive under-volt helps here but that for sure cant be called stock..

okay the dog dosnt believe what i am showing him.. but that aint unusual.. he he

trog

 

[Vayra86]

Here, your new forum avatar

 

[EarthDog]

Manually selecting a clock isnt stock. Auto is stock. You're also at 4.6, not 4.7 which is all core boost max/stock.

Regardless, notice how your voltage is changing as you did so? This is the multiplier VID doing work because you are on auto. If you put it at 4.7, the voltage should be different.

mentioned 20 mins ago...this is stock (for the board and bios)

Stock is this - Set motherboard to OPTIMIZED DEFAULTS (its a Function key). Save, and reboot. That is stock for the board and BIOS you have. If you enable XMP to get the memory running at speed (though technically this is overclocking the IMC)... again... do not enable MCE when it asks and that should do it.

Have you bothered to confirm vcore in other apps yet by chance? Confirms this is helpful knowing you are starting in the right place for stock or whatever you are going to do.