hd2600xt vs 8600gt

[pt]

"just not as fast as the gts ones"
that makes the difference as i stated above
and any 86gts costs 170€ minimum here
so i think i got a great bang for the buck card (100€)

 

[trt740]

Just as the 2900xt has three times the 8800 gtx but it's are faster and so is the gtx performance, so PT whats your point. They look better but are Slower performance wise? Don't get me wrong I really like the 2900xt very good card but a whole lot of wasted potential. If I had crossfire I would buy a 2900xt without question. The 2600xt 512mb is a good card but slower than a 8600 gts. if your going to buy a dx9 card buy a 7900 gto it can be oced to 7900gtx speeds and can be had on ebay for 140.00. The 7900 gs is junk the 7800 gtx 256 is good as is the 7900gt . The x1900 pro is okay but the x1900xt is better for dx9.

they are all good really

 

[trt740]

"just not as fast as the gts ones"
that makes the difference as i stated above
and any 86gts costs 170€ minimum here
so i think i got a great bang for the buck card (100€)

You know I think you do too because I've told you, you do.

 

[pt]

You know I think you do too because I've told you, you do.

that confused med :S
i don't remenber you talking about the hd2600 when i got mine, on the ohter side i have a terrible memory and can barely remenber most things

 

[trt740]

that confused med :S
i don't remenber you talking about the hd2600 when i got mine, on the ohter side i have a terrible memory and can barely remenber most things

E2160 and a 2600xt is a very good budget / bang for the buck system as is a e2160 / 8600gt or gts syetem. All are 25 + percent faster than the 7600gt series which was a very good budget card and the e2160 when oced right is faster than all the amd cpu's except maybe the 6000+ or 6400+ but the e2160 cost 95.00

 

[trt740]

that confused med :S
i don't remenber you talking about the hd2600 when i got mine, on the ohter side i have a terrible memory and can barely remenber most things

Here is my old post


Quote:
Originally Posted by pt
my best so far


nice score pt. Thats a nice card. You have a very smartly built bang for the buck system.

 

[pt]

Here is my old post


Quote:
Originally Posted by pt
my best so far


nice score pt. Thats a nice card. You have a very smartly built bang for the buck system.

oh, that post
lol
i'm thinking of crossfiring 2 hd2600xt as soon as i get money for a new mobo and gfx

 

[Fleekar]

Yup my friend's dell is an 8400 as well, so no worries about power issues with the above. Good luck!

 

[NinkobEi]

you also might try the 7900GS. similar in performance to the pro, albeit a bit slower. Also the x1900gt is supposed to be pretty decent. and I know that one is really cheap

Oh, and most all cards come with a PSU adapter for the extra power plug. just plug it in to your standard molex and vuala.

Edit: so what games are you wanting to play anyway?

 

[Solaris17]

Benchmarks like 3DMark is largely misleading to how the cards perform in actual gaming.

The 8600GT/S and X2600 maybe give higher 3DMark scores than the 7900GS/GTX and X1950GT/Pro cards, but in actual gaming performance you'll find for most part the 8600GT/X2600XT lags behind the older generation 7900/X1950 cards in curent DX9 games.

id like to call bs..i out preform my buds and other freinds with these cards in pretty much all games we play

 

[DaMulta]

one tought son of a bitch

He is no survivorman!!!

Survivorman does not have a crew that follows him out if he gets hurt he's !@#%ed!!!!

Back to this thread.

doesn't help the hd2600xt line
at least not much to pay the huge price difference between them
mine beats any gddr4 hd2600xt i've seen so far

If I put two of them on water (Gddr4 ones) or just one of them. I bet I could out score you

 

[insider]

id like to call bs..i out preform my buds and other freinds with these cards in pretty much all games we play

The gaming benchmarks done by the likes of Anandtech show the above to be complete BS

Only in certain games show the 8600GTS outperform the 7900GTX/X19xx and that's at low resolution without AA/AF, the majority of games the 8600GTS lags behind the two, when you then turn on AA/AF and increase the resolution the 8600GTS struggles bigtime.

As others have clearly pointed out, the huge memory bandwidth bottleneck on those cards means using DDR4 results in very little to absolutely zero gains, the bottleneck is always present due to the design of the card.

This is evident when you start increasing the AA/AF details and resolution, there is simply insufficient memory bandwidth to handle high detail settings any higher than 1280*1024, the same problem applies to the X2600XT also, no coincidence there!

 

[Pinchy]

I know most x19xx want 450W minimum, taking into account the rest of your system. Your CPU probably takes around 80W load

X800XT PE's have a 400W min, and I ran mine on a 200W .

That 350W Dell should be right for the x1900/x1950 GT/PRO cards.

 

[Paradox]

What about pixel pipelines? What about the 256-bit memory bus?

pixel pipelines are a thing of the past.

Steam possessors are far better... once the drivers that can use them to there fullest...

Don't get a last generation card... it's pointless.. why upgrade if you put older hardware in?

My vote goes to the 2600XT. It just has more potential... and does DX10 quite a bit better then 8600GT's.

Remeber, ATi never has had super raw power like nvidia, they make up for it in Shader execution. I don't care how robust 32 Shader possessors are they can't out calculate 120 Stream possessors if they're used right.
Also 65nm = Insane overclocking once it's possible...

 

[hat]

Paradox... those cards reach thier limit pretty fast since they eat up all the PCI-E slot has to offer already.

 

[magibeg]

Well i've weighed in all the options and i've officially gone for the $115 hd2600xt. It was the cheapest of the choices that i could find, wasn't very power hungry, and although it didn't get the best performance out of all the choices, its still going to be an improvement over my x800se (which is actually gradually dieing now). Thanks for all your inputs


ships in 1-3 business days, i suspect it'll get here by around thursday or friday.

 

[trt740]

The gaming benchmarks done by the likes of Anandtech show the above to be complete BS

Only in certain games show the 8600GTS outperform the 7900GTX/X19xx and that's at low resolution without AA/AF, the majority of games the 8600GTS lags behind the two, when you then turn on AA/AF and increase the resolution the 8600GTS struggles bigtime.

As others have clearly pointed out, the huge memory bandwidth bottleneck on those cards means using DDR4 results in very little to absolutely zero gains, the bottleneck is always present due to the design of the card.

This is evident when you start increasing the AA/AF details and resolution, there is simply insufficient memory bandwidth to handle high detail settings any higher than 1280*1024, the same problem applies to the X2600XT also, no coincidence there!

You will notice those are 256 mb 8600gts with more memory it's simply not the case a 8600gts 512 mb is what we are talking about not not a 256 mb. Thats why they are losing at higher resolution with more ram they won't. Your comparing the wrong card. When you compare a 512 mb 8600gts to a 512 mb 7900 series or 1900 series card the performance is neck and neck. Of course a 512 mb card is going to have better band with than a 256mb card.

 

[insider]

You will notice those are 256 mb 8600gts with more memory it's simply not the case a 8600gts 512 mb is what we are talking about not not a 256 mb. Thats why they are losing at higher resolution with more ram they won't. Your comparing the wrong card. When you compare a 512 mb 8600gts to a 512 mb 7900 series or 1900 series card the performance is neck and neck. Of course a 512 mb card is going to have better band with than a 256mb card.

You obviously have problems understanding what a 128-bit memory bus bandwidth bottleneck is and how it affects the performance of all video cards.

The 8600GTS was not memory capacity limited in those low resolution benches (1280*1024) but memory BANDWIDTH limited due to the 128-bit bus, 256MB is enough for AA/AF at low resolutions (which those benches was tested under) but the 128-bit interface is NOT enough for higher detail AA/AF at higher resolutions, doesn't matter if the card has 1GB of ram, the cards memory bus interface simply can't move the data fast enough.

Memory capacity has NOTHING to do with memory bandwidth.

On a pointless merry go around here when all benches from various sites show that this is the case with the 8600.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I would get either of the 2 cards to be honest but if I was to DX10 game............. ONLY with 512MB on them.

Overclock either like mad (and they both do) and with 512MB of ram on board you will run DX10 providing its at sensible resolutions, maybe only with medium settings but at the end of the day....you can have all your 7900's and your 1950 whateveryoulikes....they aint gonna be running DX10 now are thay?

 

[trt740]

You obviously have problems understanding what a 128-bit memory bus bandwidth bottleneck is and how it affects the performance of all video cards.

The 8600GTS was not memory capacity limited in those low resolution benches (1280*1024) but memory BANDWIDTH limited due to the 128-bit bus, 256MB is enough for AA/AF at low resolutions (which those benches was tested under) but the 128-bit interface is NOT enough for higher detail AA/AF at higher resolutions, doesn't matter if the card has 1GB of ram, the cards memory bus interface simply can't move the data fast enough.

Memory capacity has NOTHING to do with memory bandwidth.

On a pointless merry go around here when all benches from various sites show that this is the case with the 8600.

and none are benches with a card with a 8600gts 512mb which will increase performance. Your crazy if you think 512 won't make performance difference.

 

[bigboi86]

Yes they are their ram is faster as is their core speed. they are just as fast or faster than the 7900 series with 512mb of ram.

Having fast ram with a limiting bus width doesn't mean jack.

My old Nvidia card with DDR1(~900-1000mhz) and 256bit bus width gets probably as much bandwidth as this 8600GT with ~1700-1800mhz memory.

The only reason this card beats my old 6800 is because of the fact that it has a better architecture on the core.

 

[trt740]

I would get either of the 2 cards to be honest but if I was to DX10 game............. ONLY with 512MB on them.

Overclock either like mad (and they both do) and with 512MB of ram on board you will run DX10 providing its at sensible resolutions, maybe only with medium settings but at the end of the day....you can have all your 7900's and your 1950 whateveryoulikes....they aint gonna be running DX10 now are thay?

Well spoken and true.

 

[NinkobEi]

I would get either of the 2 cards to be honest but if I was to DX10 game............. ONLY with 512MB on them.

Overclock either like mad (and they both do) and with 512MB of ram on board you will run DX10 providing its at sensible resolutions, maybe only with medium settings but at the end of the day....you can have all your 7900's and your 1950 whateveryoulikes....they aint gonna be running DX10 now are thay?

have you even seen the requirements for DX10 games? It's very likely that they are going to smoke even the 8800 and 2900s, so throwing a 8600 at it probably wouldnt do much good anyway. plus, the guy said this card is just holding him over for a little while and is not a long term solution. how many DX10 games do you know coming out in the next 6 months? just 1? I thought so.

but the point is moot now. he has already purchased the card and for $115 I cant blame him really. thats one heck of a price..last year around this time that's what I payed for my x800. but saying that right now an 8600 would be a better buy than an x1950 or 7900 for the same price, that is absolutely absurd. its apparent which performs better on todays games and those are really the only ones you need to worry about.

Edit: and here are your benchmarks
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=854&model2=725&chart=277

more edit: how is an 8600 supposed to run DX 10 games when it can barely run BF2 at 30 fps

 

[Ravenas]

Isn't his processor going to create a bit of a bottleneck with either of those cards?

 

[NinkobEi]

processor should be okay. he said its just to hold him over a little while longer