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Silicon Lottery Starts Selling Binned 3rd Generation AMD Ryzen CPUs

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Just a few words from my experience with SL since 2015. I’ve owned four binned processors from Siliconlottery.com

Does that mean I believe everyone who owns a computer should purchase a high-binned CPU from SL.

Of course NOT! That would be ridiculous, not to mention silly.

If on the other hand 1) the enthusiast inside of you enjoys overclocking and benching and/or 2) if your business-work-income-livelihood-ability to care for your family, and the ROI-return on investment make it financially worthwhile, factoring in time saved and comfort while working long hours at a stretch, and the quality of work overall as a positive addition. Well, that’s the reasons I would purchase from SL.

I have one work application titled Final Draft 10. When you load it, it idles like any other application, with Intel SpeedStep enabled in bios, the CPU clocks down to about 0.8Ghz or 800Mhz, nothing out of the ordinary. Yet when I begin typing in the application the CPU clocks up to 5.2, 5.3, 5.4, 5.5, 5.6Ghz whatever is set as the highest single-core or all-core clock speed in bios. Remove your fingertips from the keycaps and low and behold, the CPU drops back down to 800Mhz idle – the workload in Windows 10 task manager all logical processors displayed shows a single-thread at high load while typing, along with 4-5 other threads very slightly loaded - a classic single and slightly threaded application which benefits more from CPU and memory clock speeds (single-core performance vs multicore performance) than a higher number of processor cores.

So, I opted for single-threaded performance for my work rig when choosing a platform CPU-memory-motherboard. Owned the HEDT once briefly a Rampage V Edition 10/6800K X99 chipset and even using an Optane 900P SSD, the sluggishness was vastly apparent vs using an 8700K/Apex X or 8086K/Z390 Dark platform. Also, the 6800K used the quicker Intel ring bus for core to core intercommunication, now Skylake X CPUs use the higher latency Intel mesh bus - even slower, higher latency than the previous Broadwell CPUs.

Some DDR4 Memory Binning as a sidebar:

Recently picked up a Gskill Royal Silver 4600Mhz 18CL dual ddr4 kit. The highest kit on the Z390 Dark motherboard’s QVL and running it at 4400Mhz 17-17-17-34 which feels much zippier and more responsive than the 4600/18 XMP “set and forget” setting in bios.

Even the memory latency test in AIDA 64 Extreme picks up the lower overall system latency, not to be confused with the latency CL value listed on the memory modules themselves.

-at XMP - 4600Mhz CL 18-22-22-42, my AIDA 64 latency bench value is around 41 nanoseconds

-at 4400Mhz CL 17-17-17-34, my AIDA 64 latency bench value is around 37 nanoseconds (screenshots below)

…Anyone with a Z390 Dark and considering a new memory kit PM me and I’ll tell you I began by using the LUUMI Daily OC Preset within the bios as a template and went from there. It’s set up for 9900Ks yet easily adapted to 8700Ks/8086Ks.


Back to the story:

Intel first binned the 8700Ks from the silicon wafers cut mounted and tested. Then Intel binned a second time to pull out the top tier increased the factory single-core base and boost clock and created the 8086Ks. Then SL binned a third time to sort out the highest tier they can test stable using the ROG Hero motherboards. Of course, you can reach higher stable (and not so stable) speeds using any motherboard with an improved VRM section than the Hero boards SL uses as their standardized testing method, be it from Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, ASROCK, or EVGA.
From a personal POV, when I’m really cranking out my thoughts to words at a rapid rate onto electronic paper, well frustration can build if I have to wait for a slow pc to respond, I want the computer to absolutely disappear when I work, and not hinder me in any way. I can lose a train of thought very quickly (I’m like that :laugh:) and NEVER again find it … what was I saying? Creative work lost, I’ll never be able to generate again or deliver to the public. I’ve used noisy and slow pre-built Dells and building your own machine, mine took two years to get to this point, to me it’s so worth the additional effort.

“Sometimes I only lose the caboose in my train of thought” Oh that’s beyond corny and deserves an apology. :roll:

Why do people comment negatively on products or services they have no interest in or cannot gain any benefit from? No product or service is meant to be a perfect match for everyone.

Anywho, here’s some cool photos (below) anyone using the Gskill Silver Royal ddr4 I hope will enjoy, the static blue RGB color is the best aesthetic match for my very “unaesthetic-somewhat ugly” work computer. Lol

But it’s fast, ahh the trade-offs we make in life.

And some benchmark screenshots for anyone who believes Siliconlottery.com is a scam. SL is a real live positive service provider. Binning is a real service for some of us, the CPUs are fun, enjoyable to play with and the time saved using a super-responsive PC for completing work pays for itself. For some of us.

Sorry for the extreme number of screenshots. Only trying to show the wide range of clocks/volts available with a high-binned CPU. You don’t have to run it at the very edge of stability to enjoy the processor, but still it’s fun just to find out how far it will go “only briefly” with a little tweaking. And then I move back into more practical saved profiles in bios and get back to work.

Also, sorry I don’t have much/any to say about AMD’s Matisse launch per this thread, although it does seem AMD’s single-thread performance at 4.4Ghz-4.5Ghz is now equivalent to Intel’s single-thread at 5.0Ghz – So Go AMD! :clap:

This is only my opinion from personal experience, and nothing more than that.

Reply what you want, I won’t be returning or reading the hatred.

That is an impressive OC, well played sir.
 

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People calm down and stop complaining about this company! :D It's like apple phones: some people just like to pay more 'because', and its their right. Agreed you have to wonder sometimes what goes through a persons head to throw money so ineffectively after someting, but its up to them. They are the whales of capitalism and let them flow; then we sharks can do your own thing. Theres space enough in the ocean for both.
 
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Its standard practice among all the semi conductor companies to bin wafers to allocate lower quality to cut down SKU, it creates the pricing structure. Over time usually the yields improve and either the low end SKU can be overclocked or even unlocked, as it comes from better silicon than it was initially allocated for that SKU, or the prices come down on all SKUs, or the clock speeds improve on all SKUs in the following revision.
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If only...

I ran Super Pi, a single threaded application and one core boosted to 4.341 GHz... short of the 4.4 GHz advertised. Even if I set affinity of the application it's still the same. My CPU, and I've heard others complain, has not hit its rated boost clock across 5 motherboards.

Oh, and it didn't stay there, it kept bouncing around...
Maybe shut down all the other cores and test it on 1 core only.
 
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Maybe shut down all the other cores and test it on 1 core only.
I did... I set affinity for the application to use one core.

Shutting them is not worth the effort. These arent seeming to boost where they say... it's just that simple.
 
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Ryzen 9 3900X
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810
Or save that money for the 3950X with 33% more cores.
 
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Intel has factory super binned CPUs... 8086K and 9900KS both super binned.

SL versions are 5.3GHz AVX-2 (Pre-Delidded)

Or just wait and buy an Intel i9-9900KS Factory Turbo All Cores 5GHz

Wondering if AMD will sell factory Boost super binned CPUs like the 8086K and 9900KS? Oh wait wasn't the 2700X Annaverty Edition super binned?

Then there's no point to SL if Intel and AMD releases Super binned CPUs series.
 
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If you ask me it has become sad now. The "Silicon lottery" has been made as a new brand of processors that are being sold for instead of a lucky customer winner who purchased a cpu and can be proud of its high clocs.
 
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Ryzen 9 3900X
  • 4.20 GHz @ 1.25 V, $810
Or save that money for the 3950X with 33% more cores.
And potentially even higher clocks, since those dies are very likely to be binned by AMD themselves.

Then there's no point to SL if Intel and AMD releases Super binned CPUs series.
They are just going to ultra-bin the super binned ... The Show scam Must Go On !

As for the people that put the angry face on my posts, knock yourselves out. Won't change the fact that the post-sale "binning" and 2nd hand selling unaltered overpriced CPUs is a scam.
(Well, it's a little scam, enough to get by with authorities...)

The only actual valid service is delidding Intel CPUs. That one is somewhat fine. Most people don't have the tools to do so themselves.
However that is scammy as well, because if you actually use LM on that delidded CPU, it will void their warranty.
Why bother delidding if you can't put a superior thermal material there?
 
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I've had a good experience buying from SL.. only wish I didn't have to pay VAT on top of their mark up when getting it sent to UK.
I bought an 1800X binned for 4.1ghz @ ≤1.44v, worked exactly as advertised, in fact for gaming it's happy at 4.15ghz 1.45v which is where the chip has been run for most of it's life.

The first 1800X I got wasn't great and realistically would only clock to 4.0 all core, since i'd spent a ton on a decent watercooling loop I wanted a better chip than that to justify it, but in hind sight I should have saved my money and lived with it.

@Wavetrex Binning isn't a scam, it's a premium service and you get what you pay for. If you absolutely want a 9900k that's stable @ 5.1ghz or any other processor that's a particularly good sample, and don't want to take the chance of getting an average or poor chip you pay the extra for a 3rd party to cherry pick out the best of the bunch. They extensively stress test the processor and guarantee you will be able to do whatever frequency at whatever voltage. It isn't a complicated concept.

edit:
I noticed the "you'd have to be extremely lucky to get a skylake that can't do 5Ghz" discussion earlier.. The best I can push my 6700K to is 4.8ghz at 1.58v iirc, that's running bare die with liquid metal and waterblock sitting straight on top with 360mm of radiator and a D5 pump. It had the best chance it would ever get and couldn't get to 5Ghz, I wouldn't even attempt to do a 1hr stress test on it running at that voltage.
 
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Fine, I give up.
Thanks @infrared for the long explanation. Enjoy your CPUs.
Ty.. I mean I doubt any of us nutters that buy binned cpus would recommend it to the average guy building a PC, objectively it throws value out the window, but if you love overclocking it's frustrating when you stumble on a dud, and makes this kind of thing very tempting. We don't usually care much for the warranty either, my 6700k went in the Vice the same day I powered it up and saw the crazy temps lol. And tbh if I killed any of my processors I wouldn't try to RMA them, knowing how hard I've pushed them at times.
 
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As for the people that put the angry face on my posts, knock yourselves out. Won't change the fact that the post-sale "binning" and 2nd hand selling unaltered overpriced CPUs is a scam.

You really don't understand the concept of value-added services, do you?
 
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You really don't understand the concept of value-added services, do you?
lets not rehash the last 3 pages lol
 
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I make lots of money when ever apple comes out with anything new. When the last airpods came out, I bought tons of the wireless charging case version at $249 and would sell them on Craiglist or ebay for $290-320. I didnt scam anyone out of anything, if I was scamming people I wouldnt have shipped anything out and just kept their money.
And yes, I am a registered business located in Oklahoma. Reselling items bought me that boat in the avatar to your left. So instead of complaining about it, do something about it. Start something yourself.

The scam starts when people like you buy all avaliable inventory and resell. Why not become a retailer?

Sorry. I'm numb to pain...

Embrace it, let it cleanse you.
 
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I think that's part of the problem at this point frick... crossed that threshold long ago. :laugh:

The scam starts when people like you buy all avaliable inventory and resell. Why not become a retailer?

No, the scam starts when someone sells an empty box at full retail price on ebay.
 

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No, the scam starts when someone sells an empty box at full retail price on ebay.

I definitely consider it a scam when people buy limited stock stuff (like all of it) and then sell it at > twice the price. That was likely not exactly the case with the airpod things, but it still grinds my gears a bit.
 
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The scam starts when people like you buy all avaliable inventory and resell. Why not become a retailer?



Embrace it, let it cleanse you.
Its not scamming, its reselling.
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