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With so little variances & leftover headroom, AMD's chip design & binning look really, really impressive.
Yeah depends on what you are after, for people who likes to tweak their own hardware. It maybe disapointing.
But for most people tight binning also means everyone are getting practically the same experience, there is no "wrong" card to buy.

It is rather frustrating to get a dud.
For example my Zotac 2080 ti pretty much tops out at around 1995~2025 Stable on the core and has Micron GDDR6 that is rather disappointing too.
On 5700XT so far every core is within tight tolerance and all the AIB cards have Micron GDDR6, so with all the same ICs it truly is down to silicon lottery.
Unlike me where you pay $1300 and hope you get Samsung GDDR6. With some 2080ti that can do like 2150Mhz core, combine that with Samsung GDDR6 that can do +1400 the performance difference is noticeable.
Yes I am talking about cards of the exact same SKU having rather large variance.
 
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With so little variances & leftover headroom, AMD's chip design & binning look really, really impressive.
Could that be good or bad though?
 
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unreal, the asus strix was the worst cooler out of all these 5700xt cards, who would of guessed.
 
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Yeah depends on what you are after, for people who likes to tweak their own hardware. It maybe disapointing.
But for most people tight binning also means everyone are getting practically the same experience, there is no "wrong" card to buy.

It is rather frustrating to get a dud.
For example my Zotac 2080 ti pretty much tops out at around 1995~2025 Stable on the core and has Micron GDDR6 that is rather disappointing too.
On 5700XT so far every core is within tight tolerance and all the AIB cards have Micron GDDR6, so with all the same ICs it truly is down to silicon lottery.
Unlike me where you pay $1300 and hope you get Samsung GDDR6. With some 2080ti that can do like 2150Mhz core, combine that with Samsung GDDR6 that can do +1400 the performance difference is noticeable.
Yes I am talking about cards of the exact same SKU having rather large variance.

Lol yeah I bought the Asus 2080 Ti Turbo just to slap a waterblock on it, turned out it was a non-A chip with 280W power limit. Now with Palit 310W PL bios I'm happy running the chip at 1995mhz/ 983mV (freq is stable across all games), +500mhz Vram, which still is 15% faster than stock 2080 Ti anyways. The last 5% OC is only fun for benching purposes, nothing you would notice in games.
 
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Lol yeah I bought the Asus 2080 Ti Turbo just to slap a waterblock on it, turned out it was a non-A chip with 280W power limit. Now with Palit 310W PL bios I'm happy running the chip at 1995mhz/ 983mV (freq is stable across all games), +500mhz Vram, which still is 15% faster than stock 2080 Ti anyways. The last 5% OC is only fun for benching purposes, nothing you would notice in games.
The issue is, compare my card to my friend's MSI 2080 ti that is also water-cooled, it is around 7~8% difference over my OC where you start to notice a difference in games.
Whats worst, this Zotac is also an A variant TU102 , which makes it one of the worst dud I have come across.
This card is barely stable at 2025, some games doesn't like it. In DX12 games this card sometimes crashes at 1995Mhz @1.068V.
So it is not just bad OC, but bad OC that require high voltage and as a result makes things even worse.

What I like about Navi, is so far it is VERY consistent apart from driver issues.
 
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The issue is, compare my card to my friend's MSI 2080 ti that is also water-cooled, it is around 7~8% difference over my OC where you start to notice a difference in games.
Whats worst, this Zotac is also an A variant TU102 , which makes it one of the worst dud I have come across.
This card is barely stable at 2025, some games doesn't like it. In DX12 games this card sometimes crashes at 1995Mhz @1.068V.
So it is not just bad OC, but bad OC that require high voltage and as a result makes things even worse.

What I like about Navi, is so far it is VERY consistent apart from driver issues.

Really ? I thought no OC headroom should be a minus , at least you were able to OC your 2080Ti > 10%. There is no guarantee that AiB is not sending cherry picked 5700 XT to reviewer anyways.

Anyways try undervolting your 2080Ti, It is the same on my sample that voltage above 1v cause instability even on water. I couldn't even reach 2040mhz/1.05v stable but 1995mhz/ 983mv is fine, max temp i got is 44C.
 
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Really ? I thought no OC headroom should be a minus , at least you were able to OC your 2080Ti > 10%. There is no guarantee that AiB is not sending cherry picked 5700 XT to reviewer anyways.

Anyways try undervolting your 2080Ti, It is the same on my sample that voltage above 1v cause instability even on water. I couldn't even reach 2040mhz/1.05v stable but 1995mhz/ 983mv is fine, max temp i got is 44C.
So I the end after what you did, you are still slower than some 2080ti out of the box.
There is nothing you can do to INCREASE performance to MATCH other people who pay just the same money as you did.

One way to put it is they got lucky / cherry picked samples.
But on the other hand, if there are so many "golden sample'" GPUs out there, the duds should have never left the factory.
The reason why there is such a difference in silicon quality is because nVidia was making a huge chip and the best way to increase yield is allow for huge variance.
 
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Nah after OC my 2080Ti is a little faster than stock 2080 Ti Lightning and that card is 1600usd (15.7k timespy graphic vs lightning 15.5k). Perhaps 5% slower than oced 2080Ti lightning and that's it. To get the last 5% perf you have to spend 20% more power and it's just not worth it beside benching.

Anyways 5700XT just might have the same variance. Remember that all these AiB have higher power limit than ref 5700XT for practically the same performance (worse efficiency) and AMD has locked the core to 2150mhz/ 1.2vcore.
 
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Could that be good or bad though?

Depends on your view, from a manufacturer's perspective it shows maybe they had to use up all the "Extra" margins built into their design (not horrible, but at limit of original design spec). Also demonstrates a good handle from foundry manufacturing on meeting design specs with consistent production. From an enthusiast perspective it makes for little to no tinkering possible to get to leftover "Extra" performance leftover from a performance margin design since there's none left.
 
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Interesting stuff. I have seen wildly fluctuating clocks on my reference 5700XT from 1200-2050mhz during BFV. This is with the fans at 100% as I wanted to avoid throttling. Temps at load were around 70C, so I am hoping that throttling is not the issue here. I have plans to watercool.

Question: Does anyone know if AMD partners will be releasing a version of the 5700XT based on reference pcb with custom heat sinks? If so who?

Thanks,

If the past is anything to go by maybe or maybe not. In terms of Water cooling it would be a great idea. There are a few videos of 5700XT water blocks from EK and Byiski (i think) and it looks like the temps stay in the high 40s under load and the clock is a solid line around 2085 MHZ. If they supported crossfire I would have got one already.
 

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Really had to search the bottom of the barrel for cons if we're considering lack of hardware raytracing support a con, huh?
 
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@Durvelle27 how come wizzard during his testing is able to game long enough to get benches without crashes, yet lot of 5700 XT owners can barely game without crashes? i don't understand what variable is changing
 

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@Durvelle27 how come wizzard during his testing is able to game long enough to get benches without crashes, yet lot of 5700 XT owners can barely game without crashes? i don't understand what variable is changing
@W1zzard would have to chime in as I don’t know honestly
 
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Have to look at this historically to understand the design concept differences between AMD and nVidia ... for a while there competition was tight ... then came the 7xx series, AMD needed a comeback, they couldn't do it in the design, so thay marketed their way into appearing to compete. nVidia knew the situation going in ... few pundits notices the things were "off" in the 700 series when they were finally released. The 780 upon release matched up with the leaked 770 specs. and so on. Some speculated that nVidia took the original 770 design and make that the 780 at retail. The original 780 design was placed on the shelf to gather dust.

When the AMD 2xx series came out, nVidia execs were grinning ear to ear. They sat quiet until a week before the release with hundreds of articles showing "leaked" specs and bencmarks beating the 780..... Then Vidia dropped the bomb a week before announcing the 780. All that money spent on the ad campaign for 2xx was deflated as the 780 Ti was now on top. But.... then came the in depth looks. It turned out the the 2xx series was runing > 95C ... suggesting that overclocking would be very limited... it was. Turned out that the 780 OCd was significantly faster than the 290x OC'd and that left nVidia w/ the two top tiers .

Since then, we've seen green cards OC as much as 32% .... usually minimum in the mid teens (15%). So why doen't nVidia just put higher clocks "in the box". Remeber the silicon lottery ... I had an EVGA card way back when that I made 20 support calls, had 5 RMAs and never ran at advertised speeds. When you allow for significant OC, it's pretty much a given that only a teeny % of them will fail to meet the advertised speeds. Therefore RMA rates are small. Staring with the 290 and each generation since, AMD had had to go with higher clocks in the box because with corresponding OC headroom ... they appear to compete. With every generation of cards since.... we see hand picked games performing better then nVidi acard in the proce range .... and why not. If reviewers are going o publish only out of box speeds, then the "overclocked in the box" alternative will do much better.the 480 / 580 appeared to compete with the 1060 ... but not when both cards overclocked.... the 5700 XT was supposed to compete with the 2080, but it doesn't catch 2070- with both cards overclocked.

With each new generation, we take Wiz's test results, component descriptions (which GPU, whiuch VRNM, which memory, etc and apply the OCs to both cards so as to provide "apples to apples" comparisons. I undestand the strategy ... I just hate having to do all the math to see the performance that once can expect in the manner most will use their card
 
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With each new generation, we take Wiz's test results, component descriptions (which GPU, whiuch VRNM, which memory, etc and apply the OCs to both cards so as to provide "apples to apples" comparisons. I undestand the strategy ... I just hate having to do all the math to see the performance that once can expect in the manner most will use their card

You really believe 'most' consumers are doing all this work with their video card? Enthusiasts are a niche and realistically a shrinking one. Even individuals who CAN put in that level of effort to tweak CPU/GPU don't have nearly the time and energy to devote.

That's a pretty loaded marketing esque statement for someone pretending to be 'analytical'.

Well it maxed out what they think is safe to silicon. Chips can go higher, if all the limiters are removed. But that would potentially increase RMA rates in a long run, so I think they are not willing to ease those limits. Well maybe they will tweak that gddr6 slider a bit, but the rest is left to OC community to solve.

TBH I think it's a power issue not necessarily a 'capabilities' issue. If you look at the collected Nitro + reviews they're all pulling 20-40 more watts than the Red Devil. Any sort of VRM performance gains have a significant power cost at this point for these cards. Presumably the silicon may be able to hit higher limits but the performance per watt would be unethical.

Looks good, but their warranty sucks and I've read nothing but complaints about their awful warranty/RMA service. Its the same reason I'll never buy a zotac card

What's bad about their warranty? Website says it's a classic 'brand new, no alterations' 2 year warranty. It's the same warranty as the Sapphire Nitro +. You aren't getting warranty replacements if you remove their fan and then put it back on after you melt their card for running it 10% over spec for a year and a half. EDIT: Powercolor's parent company mostly works in enterprise, I have no doubts an appropriately submitted RMA will be successful. You just aren't ripping anyone off, they likely have an engineer review each RMA.
 
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