3950x delay

[Shou Miko]

Are you planning to run the Ryzen 9 3950X on your aorus b450 elite 2?

According to Buildzoid the vrm isn't built for that the only B450 that should be able to handle the Ryzen 9 cpu's that might need a fan for the Ryzen 9 3950X is the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon it has the vrm heatsink to make it work.

That's why I purchased this board for my AMD Ryzen 9 3900X any just put a extra fan in my case over the vrm to be save

 

[xkm1948]

Wasn’t it yesterday that some media reported the reason for delaying? “Unsatisfactory clock Speed?”


IMO feeding 16 cores with dual channel memory is a bit weak.

AMD accused of delaying Ryzen 9 3950X due to “unsatisfactory clock speeds”

AMD may have delayed its Ryzen 9 3950X due to “unsatisfactory clock speeds”, sources claim

www.pcgamesn.com

 

[TheLostSwede]

Wasn’t it yesterday that some media reported the reason for delaying? “Unsatisfactory clock Speed?”


IMO feeding 16 cores with dual channel memory is a bit weak.

AMD accused of delaying Ryzen 9 3950X due to “unsatisfactory clock speeds”

AMD may have delayed its Ryzen 9 3950X due to “unsatisfactory clock speeds”, sources claim

www.pcgamesn.com

That's a rumour via DigiTimes, so take it with a suitable amount of salt.

 

[xtreemchaos]

Treat yourself, get both

i would but i need at least one kidney

 

[xkm1948]

That's a rumour via DigiTimes, so take it with a suitable amount of salt.

Every guess is fair game ATM

 

[xtreemchaos]

Are you planning to run the Ryzen 9 3950X on your aorus b450 elite 2

no mate I wouldn't trust it to run a toaster even when it runs my 2700x ok overclocked to 4.2.

 

[phill]

i would but i need at least one kidney

Well don't sell those off or any hardware (I always find I would like them still after I sell them....)

If you can do it in stages, get one sooner rather than later and then get the other a bit later on

 

[xtreemchaos]

I will be having a 9900k at some point "fingers crossed" but the AMD build is what I use the most like its on 20hours a day every day where the intel build runs my telescope rig and is weather dependent and with the weather of late it must be thinking ive forgot about it

 

[mstenholm]

Well, they're $580 locally here, as that includes import duties and 5% VAT.
You're still going to pay a lot more than MSRP in the UK as well, due to that odd 1-1 $-£ rate that seems to be going on for computer parts, although I guess it's more these days, as the VAT has gone up and the £ has gone down a lot since I used to write about this stuff.

For that price I gladly buy 2.

 

[phill]

I will be having a 9900k at some point "fingers crossed" but the AMD build is what I use the most like its on 20hours a day every day where the intel build runs my telescope rig and is weather dependent and with the weather of late it must be thinking ive forgot about it

I'm trying to get hold of a Z390 Dark and 9900k just because... I do love the EVGA boards tho.....

 

[TheLostSwede]

For that price I gladly buy 2.

Yes, but you live in Denmark where everything is twice the price of everywhere else, except Norway...

 

[Chrispy_]

I know AMD announced the 3950X as a 4.7GHz part and it wouldn't look great for AMD if they backtracked on that promise, but they could potentially launch a lower-end part - say a 3920X at 3.2/4.2GHz max boost for $100 less.

I don't know why AMD is refusing to launch slower 12C and 16C parts when demand is clearly outstripping supply. By waiting for yields to improve they're losing potential sales with people turning to Intel or jumping on lower-tier Ryzen models instead.

I may be in the minority, but I honestly couldn't care less about a couple of hundred MHz on the the peak, instantaneous, single-core clockspeed for a 16C/32T product. Nobody is buying that chip to leave 15 cores idle and achieve single-core performance to match the 8700K of two years ago. AMD's Zen2 chips are all about more cores, better IPC, lower power consumption, and faster memory clocks.

 

[kapone32]

I know AMD announced the 3950X as a 4.7GHz part and it wouldn't look great for AMD if they backtracked on that promise, but they could potentially launch a lower-end part - say a 3920X at 3.2/4.2GHz max boost for $100 less.

I don't know why AMD is refusing to launch slower 12C and 16C parts when demand is clearly outstripping supply. By waiting for yields to improve they're losing potential sales with people turning to Intel or jumping on lower-tier Ryzen models instead.

I may be in the minority, but I honestly couldn't care less about a couple of hundred MHz on the the peak, instantaneous, single-core clockspeed for a 16C/32T product. Nobody is buying that chip to leave 15 cores idle and achieve single-core performance to match the 8700K of two years ago. AMD's Zen2 chips are all about more cores, better IPC, lower power consumption, and faster memory clocks.

Because they don't have enough 7nm dies to do that. You could blame Epyc for that. The big companies that AMD has drawn in are far more important to them than the regular user like you or me. On top of that there is a lot of demand for TSMC 7nm dies in the smartphone space.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I don't know why AMD is refusing to launch slower 12C and 16C parts when demand is clearly outstripping supply. By waiting for yields to improve they're losing potential sales with people turning to Intel or jumping on lower-tier Ryzen models instead.

You mean like this...

AMD Ryzen 9 3900: A 12-Core 65W CPU Listed

www.anandtech.com

 

[xtreemchaos]

I'm trying to get hold of a Z390 Dark and 9900k

same here I don't need one,my 7700k dos everything needed but only for the sake of Evolution we must evolve or go stagnant.

 

[Tomgang]

For those complaining about 3950X price. Then try look at intels 16 core offer the i9 9960X and then tell me again 3950X is still to expensive.

One of the main reasons for my choise of 3950X, is price but also my needs the coming years.

Originally I was going with Intel HEDT platform with a 12 core CPU as the i9 9920X is already stupid expensive and AMD's 1 and 2 gen threadripper where not to great for gaming cause of how they where build. Then amd announced 3950X and bam I just knew that's my new cpu. Cause ryzen 3000 performance in games are not to shabby or to far behind intels top gaming cpu i9 9900K and then offering 16 cores to a reasonable price over intels offer and I dont need more than 16 cores, I no longer either have to turn to threadripper that is not to great for gaming (threadripper 3 might be different as they are build different than older Gen) . 3950X is just the best mix of a cpu I want. Good for gaming, while still pack a punch in raw power for some multitasking/streaming while gaming at the same time and still have some power to spare for the furere.

So my point is with 3950X. Try seeing it as a cpu that offers the best mix between gaming and workstation cpu in one package with out ripping your wallet to peaces as intels 16 core offer does and this cpu also still gives a descent core clock that benefits games. Threadripper might be lover clocked for better efficiency also but at the cost of gaming performance. I see 3950X as a cpu that offer the best mix of everything.

 

[Bones]

All I can add is I wanted a 3700X at launch but all were out of stock in a matter of hours so..... I snapped up a 3600X and was done with it.
Didn't even see the 3900 listed as an item at that time.

Doesn't matter now, I've got what I've got and it's all good here.
2700X in the daily and the 3600X for whatever I want.

I'm not expecting availability of the 3900 series to dramatically improve anytime soon, in fact with the holidays not so far off now you can bet production of "Other" things that would consume chiplets has spiked, probrably killing off any real surplus of them.

TBH I don't see availability improving until after New Years.....BUT we can hope right?

 

[kapone32]

For those complaining about 3950X price. Then try look at intels 16 core offer the i9 9960X and then tell me again 3950X is still to expensive.

One of the main reasons for my choise of 3950X, is price but also my needs the coming years.

Originally I was going with Intel HEDT platform with a 12 core CPU as the i9 9920X is already stupid expensive and AMD's 1 and 2 gen threadripper where not to great for gaming cause of how they where build. Then amd announced 3950X and bam I just knew that's my new cpu. Cause ryzen 3000 performance in games are not to shabby or to far behind intels top gaming cpu i9 9900K and then offering 16 cores to a reasonable price over intels offer and I dont need more than 16 cores, I no longer either have to turn to threadripper that is not to great for gaming (threadripper 3 might be different as they are build different than older Gen) . 3950X is just the best mix of a cpu I want. Good for gaming, while still pack a punch in raw power for some multitasking/streaming while gaming at the same time and still have some power to spare for the furere.

Um the only Threadripper chips that are not good for gaming are the 2970WX and 2990WX. All of the Threadripper chips below that game quite well. I had a 1900X and that was faster than anything AMD had until the 3rd gen launched. My current chip (1920X) gave me a 10 FPS increase in TWWH2 and the 2920 and 2950 are great gaming chips. Outside of the top 2 in the TR4 stack every review I have read doesn't advise them for gaming because of cost.

 

[Tomgang]

Um the only Threadripper chips that are not good for gaming are the 2970WX and 2990WX. All of the Threadripper chips below that game quite well. I had a 1900X and that was faster than anything AMD had until the 3rd gen launched. My current chip (1920X) gave me a 10 FPS increase in TWWH2 and the 2920 and 2950 are great gaming chips. Outside of the top 2 in the TR4 stack every review I have read doesn't advise them for gaming because of cost.

Yeah that might be true, but first and second Gen ryzen or threadripper still whas no match for intels cpu's in raw gaming. Specially first Gen ryzen/threadripper cores whas pretty weak compared to Intel cores. But with zen 2, amd also got the cores theme self pretty strong compared to intels cores and that's why 3950X is such a great over all cpu in my opinion. As the cores is more or less on pair with Intel cores and by that offer good gaming performance while still pack 16 cores to half the price of i9 9960X.

Hope you can see what I am trying to say. First and second Gen ryzen/threadripper cut games yes, but not on pair with Intel cpu. But ryzen 3000 can and by that so can 3950X and still offer proper workstation/multi-tasking power in one cpu.

 

[Chrispy_]

You mean like this...

AMD Ryzen 9 3900: A 12-Core 65W CPU Listed

www.anandtech.com

Close! But that's almost a unicorn too. Trying to find a couple of 6C chiplets that can run at under 32.5W each is going to be pushing the limits of the yields, I'd have thought.

Maybe it's not such a big ask as the 4.7GHz of the 3950X but the few sites that isolated the CPU for power consumption of a Ryzen 5 3600 seem to indicate 60-80W under full load. I don't know how much of that is the 14nm IO hub, and how much of that is the Zen2 6C chiplet, but historically the IMC and I/O stuff haven't been power-guzzling functions.

I hadn't noticed the 3900 announcement, so thanks.
Perhaps we can get a 105W variant that isn't suffering from the extremes of yields that the 3900X, 3950X, and presumably the 3900 are? I think a lot of people are just sick of delayed orders for launched products, and delayed launch dates for announced products that will presumably come with their own additional back-order delays as demand outstrips demand.

Because they don't have enough 7nm dies to do that. You could blame Epyc for that. The big companies that AMD has drawn in are far more important to them than the regular user like you or me. On top of that there is a lot of demand for TSMC 7nm dies in the smartphone space.

Oh, agreed. That's what I've been saying for weeks now in other threads around here. It's just that (as I've mentioned above) the consumer chips don't need to reach crazy low-power efficiency goals. There is no shortage of 3600 or 3600X inventory, so a couple of those chiplets at modest clockspeeds (4.2GHz max) with a raised TDP of say 105W should solve the supply issue without hurting their EPYC lineup.

Maybe the issue is that all the inventory for the first run of Zen2 is out there in the wild and AMD is simply waiting their turn for the next round of silicon from TSMC. In which case, yeah - Apple has the lion's share of TSMC's 7nm capacity and HiSilicon, Nvidia, AMD, and a few others are fighting for the scraps.

 

[Space Lynx]

I wonder if a good 120mm air cooler would be enough for a 3950x @ stock.

4900x will be out in about 8 months, might as well just wait again at this point.

 

[tabascosauz]

You mean like this...

AMD Ryzen 9 3900: A 12-Core 65W CPU Listed

www.anandtech.com

I think his point is more to the fact that AMD seems to be having an unhealthy obsession with pushing SKUs with more silicon and higher boost speeds. Normally, you'd think that you'd trade clockspeed for more cores. Yes, AMD does still manage to keep TDP in check through very aggressive boost limiting, but it doesn't help that first gen 7nm already finds it thermally and electrically laborious to achieve 4.4-4.5, and 7nm yields are tested even further by the cores and now clock requirements on the 12- and 16-core SKUs.

I can kinda understand AMD wanting to give the 3900X both strong single and mutithreaded performance due to the 3900X being its posterchild for Zen 2 taking on Coffee-R, but the 3950X having the most cores and highest boost? Seems a bit nonsensical to me, since save for the best cooled chips, most of them will be scaling back their multipliers as soon as the load ramps up anyways.

 

[phill]

same here I don't need one,my 7700k dos everything needed but only for the sake of Evolution we must evolve or go stagnant.

I think my home will turn into a PC hardware museum before too long But I'm ok with that

I really am looking forward to seeing what AMD's 16 core is like.. Regardless of the price, it'll be an amazing performer because of the sheer costs of Intels competition at the price points... Looking forward

 

[Deleted member 185158]

4900x will be out in about 8 months, might as well just wait again at this point.

That's exactly what I am going to do.
Then upgrade the 2700x to a 3700x or bigger when the prices hit the ground!
Then a 4000 series when the 5000 series are released.

So will my B450-I work with a 4700X??? (if there will be such a number?)

Oh baby. 16-32 core desktop processors. Sigh of satisfaction.

 

[xtreemchaos]

Then a 4000 series when the 5000 series are released.

that's what I like , you cannot beat a bit of forward thinking buddy.