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For people who have the budget and want top performance, it's probably worth it.

That's a personal decision. I would argue that many existing HEDT users will not take this upgrade path due to cost.

For those that have yet to buy into an HEDT platform though, if the budget is there it's a no-brainer. Though personally I'll be waiting to see what a theoretical 3990WX looks like before I decide to upgrade.
 
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I don't know that it's fair to say the 3970x will be 60% faster than the 9980xe/10980xe on average. The average seems to be somewhere in the 40-50% range, with outliers at 36% and 90% in Cinebench, which is basically a cache benchmark at this point.

Don't get me wrong, 40-50% faster than Intel's flagship HEDT part (excluding the insane W-3175x) is nothing to sneeze at. It's just not worth the cost for me at $2500-$3000 for a platform upgrade to get another 40-50% performance.

If you're using the system to make money, it's essentially monopoly money. I took our secretary/accountant/HR gal from a dual core i3/4GB/HDD to a Ryzen 5 3600X/16GB/NVMe and she gets all her work done in about 2 hours, instead of being frustrated ALL day. :p
 
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That's a personal decision. I would argue that many existing HEDT users will not take this upgrade path due to cost.

That's my point though, for those who can afford it and desire the performance; it's a non-factor.
 
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If you're using the system to make money, it's essentially monopoly money. I took our secretary/accountant/HR gal from a dual core i3/4GB/HDD to a Ryzen 5 3600X/16GB/NVMe and she gets all her work done in about 2 hours, instead of being frustrated ALL day. :p

Time is money, though it doesn't matter nearly as much how long a task takes when you're dealing with salaried employees ;)

That's my point though, for those who can afford it and desire the performance; it's a non-factor.

You're missing the nuance though. I can afford it. I desire the performance. Just not enough to justify it. Silly as it may sound, the value proposition just isn't there. Again though, 64-cores might just do the trick...
 
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Time is money, though it doesn't matter nearly as much how long a task takes when you're dealing with salaried employees ;)

Hey now! Just cause I'm on TPU all day at work doesn't mean the boss shouldn't approve some new capital expenditures! This i7 6700 is feeling mighty sluggish! If I had something newer I'd have more time to screw off at work!
 
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Shouldn't the $1400 price tag also be a scam then? 3700x times 3 is 24 cores for $990?

No not really because we are talking about two different families that offer different features hence why i only compared 3970X to 3960X and used 3700X to illustrate the cost of 8 cores based on Zen 2.

I can get the 3000G for $50, 2C/4T, but I cannot get a 8C/16T CPU from AMD for $200. Where is your outrage there?

What you forget is that the $50 3000G is based on Zen+ not Zen 2 , you can get Zen+ 8C/16T for as low as $170 ( R7 2700 ) so there is no reason for outrage there hence why you don't see any !

Either everything is a scam or people will spend the money on the CPU that best suits their need. It's not like there is false or deceptive advertising or they are forced to buy AMD at gun point. You really need to adjust your outrage meter to normal, non-internet levels.

My outrage meter is right where it should be pal , im calling out the fact that paying 600 dollars for 8 more cores between two products of the same family is nothing short of a rip-off , i don't need to be forced to buy said product in order to call this out . Funnily enough everyone goes berserk when companies like Intel or Nvidia propose product with similar awful ''relative value'' ( to my knowledge nobody forced them to buy said products at gun point either ) but yet same peoples become indiferent to this topic when it's about AMD ! Therefore i would rather advise you to tone down your complacency meter to normal when it comes to AMD .
 
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TR prices are too high, IMO: around $1199 for 3960X and $1749 for 3970X would be much more appealing. Add to that, like with X570, prices for new TR boards are also too high: board makers are also trying to milk it.

The conjunction of this may actually drive prospective customers AWAY from TR 3000 series and go for either TR 2000 series or go Intel instead.
 

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Man that 3000G looks very interesting indeed. Not to mention the 3950X
 
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TR prices are too high, IMO: around $1199 for 3960X and $1749 for 3970X would be much more appealing. Add to that, like with X570, prices for new TR boards are also too high: board makers are also trying to milk it.

The conjunction of this may actually drive prospective customers AWAY from TR 3000 series and go for either TR 2000 series or go Intel instead.

Most ppl went HEDT just to go HEDT. For those people the 3950x/3900x should fit the bill. AMD has imo redefined what HEDT is starting at 24 cores. That's some serious high core counts! Previously, HEDT was basically not much of anything but high $ bling for epeen. HEDT now is serious workstation bizness. The pricing is inline with those who are making a living with HEDT in production/content.
 
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That's my point though, for those who can afford it and desire the performance; it's a non-factor.
Curious thought process, I wonder if perf/W & arguably perf/$ comes into this? TR wins by a landslide in the former & at the latter as well, at least till the price drop on Intel HEDT goes worldwide!
 
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Curious thought process, I wonder if perf/W & arguably perf/$ comes into this? TR wins by a landslide in the former & at the latter as well, at least till the price drop on Intel HEDT goes worldwide!

Intel HEDT is competing with AMD's desktops man. They have their hands full as is with the 3900xc/3950x.
 
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That is true, however the desktop platform still lags in terms of connectivity (+storage) options & I guess ECC support? I know not everybody will need that, but for anyone not willing to start their workstation life at $1400 I'd say AMD has given Intel half a leg through the font door. Now the original TR & TR2 are still here, but for me this price is a bit on the higher side though I do expect it may come down depending on the sales.
 
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Are we also forgetting that you get 64 PCI-E lanes, 2 more memory channels, and a host of other features for those $600 extra dollars?


Not to mention the quality of the dies probably make them rare to hit those clocks with that low TDP.

Supply and demand.

But he probably doesn't mind paying more per Watt, core, performance of Intel.
 
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Oh AMD, enjoy the top. Charge what those who came before you established as the market. Revel in the complaints that your products are too expensive when the products of those before you would have been eagerly gobbled up because they were the best and the best costs money.

Now, get off your ass and give us a good GPU.
 
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That is true, however the desktop platform still lags in terms of connectivity (+storage) options & I guess ECC support? I know not everybody will need that, but for anyone not willing to start their workstation life at $1400 I'd say AMD has given Intel half a leg through the font door. Now the original TR & TR2 are still here, but for me this price is a bit on the higher side though I do expect it may come down depending on the sales.

I don't know about anybody else but it's pretty simple to me. If you're using RAID cards, you are sinking a lot of money into the equation so the choice is clear. Those who were epeening with HEDT, yea I can see those complaining on costs. But those guys need to get real with it.

Half a leg? How do you mean? If those who are looking at multicore IPC, Intel has already lost the conversation.
 
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Curious thought process, I wonder if perf/W & arguably perf/$ comes into this? TR wins by a landslide in the former & at the latter as well, at least till the price drop on Intel HEDT goes worldwide!
I guess I'm of the assumption that a number of people considering processors in this extreme price range (particularly with this level of performance) would consider those things slightly irrelevant; with top performance being the major draw. Regardless, as evidenced by responses, it seems that I am wrong. I assume Intel has already priced their upcoming HEDT' accordingly (compared to last generation), since it's possible that the 3950x might even give them some slight trouble. I expect their prices to rise over time (due to supply), actually. This goes for TR, too. All this is moot until official reviews though, IMHO.
 

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That is true, however the desktop platform still lags in terms of connectivity (+storage) options & I guess ECC support? I know not everybody will need that, but for anyone not willing to start their workstation life at $1400 I'd say AMD has given Intel half a leg through the font door. Now the original TR & TR2 are still here, but for me this price is a bit on the higher side though I do expect it may come down depending on the sales.
Desktop Zen supports ECC depending on the board. I’ve used ECC RAM with no issues
 
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Desktop Zen supports ECC depending on the board. I’ve used ECC RAM with no issues

Oh yea, this. Forgot to mention this in my post above.
 
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Dammit, the new TR prices means I don't think we'll see cheap used 2950x CPUs for sale any time soon.
 
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It was only a matter of time before the sticker price was going to creep up.

Did it ? The 3960X is better than the previous flagship 2990WX and cheaper, so how exactly did the price creep up ? The 3970X is more expensive, sure, but it's also notably faster.

The performance/dollar still went up, it's extremely unrealistic to expect anything else. People have to realize that their AM4 platform is already competitive to Intel's current HEDT lineup, that's crazy and there is not much wiggle room for AMD to differentiate TR in terms of pricing.

Kinda lame we don't have 4 core Zen2 options.

I hope they disappear, let us move into 2020 please. High core counts are the future. Let me put it this way, compared to say 10 years ago, a quad core occupies probably around an order of magnitude less die space, it's time to move on.
 
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Did it ? The 3960X is better than the previous flagship 2990WX and cheaper, so how exactly did the price creep up ? The 3970X is more expensive, sure, but it's also notably faster.

The performance/dollar still went up, it's extremely unrealistic to expect anything else. People have to realize that their AM4 platform is already competitive to Intel's current HEDT lineup, that's crazy and there is not much wiggle room for AMD to differentiate TR in terms of pricing.

I hope they disappear, let us move into 2020 please. High core counts are the future. Let me put it this way, compared to say 10 years ago, a quad core occupies probably around an order of magnitude less die space, it's time to move on.

Yeah of course they did... every generation is going to be better than the one before it (unless you're intel for the past 6 years) - the 32C part from a year ago was $1800, the new part is $2k - that's price creep. Is it a massive change? no not really; hence 'creep' next gen if it's out in front will be a bit more, and then a bit more etc.

you can make the $/performance argument somewhat, but this is just history repeating itself... AMD took the lead with K10 back in the day and then slowly increased prices until:
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until a year later intel came out with a $183 chip that would smash that $1k chip.

So yeah... I would stand by the price creep statement given how fast technology advances. I think zen offered people sub-$200 eight core processors when just a little over two years ago you would have to spend $1k with intel shows that the pace of advancement hasn't slowed all that much, and neither has the pricing behavior of those with the fastest tech.
 

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They should've aimed the 3960X at $1,099 (as an entry price into the HEDT platform) and the 3970X at $1,399. This would help those to swallow the combined CPU, memory and TRX40 motherboard overall cost.

I would reserve a potential "3990WX" 64-core part at $1,999 since this may be the top dog for HEDT.
 

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I don't want the 3rd gen Threadripper. I want that R9 3950X!
Quite honestly, if you need that many cores, you probably also need to feed them, so why not go quad-channel?
 
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First of buying a quad-core for gaming now is not something I will recommend. Games are moving away from using 4 cores. Today it's 6 cores and better yet 12 threads that is the norm and besides that I also see more and more people complaining about stuttering with a quad-core in games as well. These days my recommendation for games are 6 core/12 threads like ryzen 5 3600.

I would never chose a quad-core cpu today for gaming unless I whas so dam poor I cut not afford anything better.
Right, because the only use for a PC is gaming.
 
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Yeah of course they did... every generation is going to be better than the one before it (unless you're intel for the past 6 years) - the 32C part from a year ago was $1800, the new part is $2k - that's price creep. Is it a massive change? no not really; hence 'creep' next gen if it's out in front will be a bit more, and then a bit more etc.

you can make the $/performance argument somewhat, but this is just history repeating itself... AMD took the lead with K10 back in the day and then slowly increased prices until:
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until a year later intel came out with a $183 chip that would smash that $1k chip.

So yeah... I would stand by the price creep statement given how fast technology advances. I think zen offered people sub-$200 eight core processors when just a little over two years ago you would have to spend $1k with intel shows that the pace of advancement hasn't slowed all that much, and neither has the pricing behavior of those with the fastest tech.

No no no. this is all incorrect my friend. K10 was being clobbered by Core 2 duo/quad.

you must be thinking back as far as socket 754 and s939 Athlons (K8) and Opterons. Am2 was washed by Intel. (k10)

AM2+ Phenom quad core Agena suffered horribly by TLB errata. smashed by core 2 quads.

By the AM2 platform, Intel had already passed AMD with core 2 duo which was released at the end (if memory serves) of the Socket 939 era of chips like FX-55 and FX-57 ect. Opteron was the way to go on this platform though.

So I think AMD was beating out the Netburst processors. AMD had nothing with K10 on Intel ever.
 
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