Rumor: NVIDIA's Next Generation GeForce RTX 3080 and RTX 3070 "Ampere" Graphics Cards Detailed

[Super XP]

No doubt! But I have little faith (in the high-end) and hoping for a surprise.

Amen to that. Lol

If I do buy a 3080Ti, I will sell my 2080Ti on Ebay and probably get around $700 - $800 for it.
From now on I will only buy cards with built in AIO.

I am extremely impressed with the temperature of my FTW3 over my BLACK.

My Black will rise to 55 Degrees after 2 - 3 hours of gaming with Ray Tracing on.

My FTW3 doesn't go past 40 Degrees in the same time period.

I don't overclock (as a practice).

A card like that doesn't need overclocking.
And when you sell it be sure to mention that it was never overclocked. That might squeeze out more $$$ for you.

 

[moproblems99]

Because it fundamentally shifted the prices artificially upward for what appears forever. All because they passed off a high-midrange card as high end and charged accordingly.

Possibly. I think it is because AMD couldn't put up a solid competitor so NV could charge high end prices for a mid range card because the competition high end card priced as a high end card could only compete with a mid range card.

If AMD can pull a Zen in GPUs, we will get a price drop because NV will have to compete on price. In a sense, the entire industry hinges on AMD coming around or this will be status quo. The good thing is, is I don't think AMD is that far away. Will it be this gen? Only time will tell.

 

[efikkan]

If AMD can pull a Zen in GPUs, we will get a price drop because NV will have to compete on price. In a sense, the entire industry hinges on AMD coming around or this will be status quo. The good thing is, is I don't think AMD is that far away. Will it be this gen? Only time will tell.

You have to remember what it took for AMD to catch up with Zen/Zen2; over 3 years of Intel struggling with getting their designs to work on the new nodes. We shouldn't hope for the same to happen in the graphics market; years of stagnation for AMD to catch up…

AMD is currently 1.5 - 2 "generations" behind Nvidia. It is fairly unlikely that they will catch up in a single iteration. What they need to do is to take targeted steps towards closing the gap, and not fall further behind.

AMD are preparing Navi 21, 22 and 23, and if a tweaked Navi is all they have for the next 1-2 years, then they will risk increasing the gap even further if Nvidia's next gen brings any architectural improvements at all.

 

[moproblems99]

You have to remember what it took for AMD to catch up with Zen/Zen2; over 3 years of Intel struggling with getting their designs to work on the new nodes. We shouldn't hope for the same to happen in the graphics market; years of stagnation for AMD to catch up…

AMD is currently 1.5 - 2 "generations" behind Nvidia. It is fairly unlikely that they will catch up in a single iteration. What they need to do is to take targeted steps towards closing the gap, and not fall further behind.

AMD are preparing Navi 21, 22 and 23, and if a tweaked Navi is all they have for the next 1-2 years, then they will risk increasing the gap even further if Nvidia's next gen brings any architectural improvements at all.

Maybe. Maybe not. Could they surprise us this year? Maybe. Is it likely? Not really. But I am not discounting the proverbial rabbit getting proverbially pulled from the proverbial hat.

Edit: They don't need to surpass NV to shift prices. They just need to get a little more competitive across more of the range. See the 2060 for an exhibit.

Additionally, AMD may like the high prices and want to cash in for a bit. Who could blame them?

 

[kapone32]

It is entirely possible that AMD could surprise us. Before Ryzen officially launched there was not a lot of information from AMD regarding the details of AM4 other than the info that was rehashed months before. If anyone had told me that the 5700XT would be 20 to 30% faster than the Vega 64 I would have laughed at them but the fact of the matter is that it is. The biggest caveat though is if Big Navi is as fast or even 10 to 15% faster than the 2080TI Nvidia will still have a sizable lead for the high end with the 3080Ti.

 

[EarthDog]

It is entirely possible that AMD could surprise us. Before Ryzen officially launched there was not a lot of information from AMD regarding the details of AM4 other than the info that was rehashed months before. If anyone had told me that the 5700XT would be 20 to 30% faster than the Vega 64 I would have laughed at them but the fact of the matter is that it is. The biggest caveat though is if Big Navi is as fast or even 10 to 15% faster than the 2080TI Nvidia will still have a sizable lead for the high end with the 3080Ti.

I mean, one would've hoped the 5700xt would work over V64... the latter was based on years old Polaris. One would figure this was a given, not a surprise. That said, it's also a couple % slower than the Radeon VII, the previous flagship....

 

[Super XP]

It is entirely possible that AMD could surprise us. Before Ryzen officially launched there was not a lot of information from AMD regarding the details of AM4 other than the info that was rehashed months before. If anyone had told me that the 5700XT would be 20 to 30% faster than the Vega 64 I would have laughed at them but the fact of the matter is that it is. The biggest caveat though is if Big Navi is as fast or even 10 to 15% faster than the 2080TI Nvidia will still have a sizable lead for the high end with the 3080Ti.

All AMD needs is a competitive portfolio for all segments including the high end. They don't have to beat Nvidia's 2080ti and 3080ti, just have to remain competitive which would help make prices more fair.
All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.

I'm quite optimistic about RDNA2. Can't wait to see more info on it. Hopefully the ATI Technology days are coming back

 

[EarthDog]

All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.

How do you know this?

 

[Super XP]

How do you know this?

Leaked Roadmaps? Why you ask. Lol
Based on several sites including Guru3D. All based on rumours of course.

 

[kapone32]

I mean, one would've hoped the 5700xt would work over V64... the latter was based on years old Polaris. One would figure this was a given, not a surprise. That said, it's also a couple % slower than the Radeon VII, the previous flagship....

Yes and probably because of the 16GB of memory on the VII so that there is no latency involved by sending info to DRAM. One thing that interests me is if AMD will use a 384 Bit bus for Big Navi and if so will we see 12 or 16GB of DDR6 on those cards.

 

[moproblems99]

That said, it's also a couple % slower than the Radeon VII, the previous flagship....

Even though 5700xt is the highest we got out of it,. I am not 100% sure that was the idea going in.

 

[EarthDog]

Leaked Roadmaps? Why you ask. Lol
Based on several sites including Guru3D. All based on rumours of course.

In other words, you don't really know anything.

I'm not trying to be a dickhead here, but am a bit tired of seeing 'knowing' and other premature information under the guise of facts.

Yes and probably because of the 16GB of memory on the VII so that there is no latency involved by sending info to DRAM. One thing that interests me is if AMD will use a 384 Bit bus for Big Navi and if so will we see 12 or 16GB of DDR6 on those cards.

Memory capacity has nothing to do with that card's performance (in games), nor my talking point. To reiterate, we saw a flagship part come out that is slower than the last gen flagship part. It is taking an arch tweak and another generation to get there...IF RDNA 2 is competitive on the high-end (within a few percent of 2080ti).

Some people's faith is seemingly misplaced in rumors and misinformation.

 

[P4-630]

All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.

Links please....

 

[Krzych]

IA quick word of advice, RDNA 2 will make Nvidia re-think it's Ampere GPU Launch.

Yea we hear that before every AMD launch, every time they are about to come with some secret revolutionary GPUs that is going to save the world, but then the real products come out...

If I do buy a 3080Ti, I will sell my 2080Ti on Ebay and probably get around $700 - $800 for it.
From now on I will only buy cards with built in AIO.

I am extremely impressed with the temperature of my FTW3 over my BLACK.

My Black will rise to 55 Degrees after 2 - 3 hours of gaming with Ray Tracing on.

My FTW3 doesn't go past 40 Degrees in the same time period.

I don't overclock (as a practice).

If Ampere is any good then you are not getting anywhere near $700-$800. New RTX 3070 should be close to 2080 Ti with both normal performance and RT performance at half the power and no more than $449-499. I have a 2080 Ti too, but only now it will be the time to really pay for the madness that was going on in recent years. Pascal did keep it's price thanks to inflated pricing of Turing, so we were able to not feel the price of Turing, but now comes the generation not only with proper leap in performance and efficiency, but also much cheaper. This even in normal circumstances causes the previous generation to depreciate by 50%, and with Turing that was both less of generational jump and much expensive than usual, this is going to reach 70%, especially for 2080 Ti.

This is not going to hit those who will keep upgrading, because you will sell your 2080 Ti for let's say 40% of new 3080 Ti price, add 60% of your own cash and you get 50%+ more performance, so that's not a big deal, also cards don't depreciate just because, Turing will only depreciate as much as Ampere will make it, so if Ampere is weak, Turing won't depreciate, and the ratio maintains. But as far absolute depreciation goes, I mean the difference between purchase price and sell price, for example for those who just want to sell the card and move on without buying new one, it is going to a record one.

 

[kapone32]

If Ampere is any good then you are not getting anywhere near $700-$800. New RTX 3070 should be close to 2080 Ti with both normal performance and RT performance at half the power and no more than $449-499. I have a 2080 Ti too, but only now it will be the time to really pay for the madness that was going on in recent years. Pascal did keep it's price thanks to inflated pricing of Turing, so we were able to not feel the price of Turing, but now comes the generation not only with proper leap in performance and efficiency, but also much cheaper. This even in normal circumstances causes the previous generation to depreciate by 50%, and with Turing that was both less of generational jump and much expensive than usual, this is going to reach 70%, especially for 2080 Ti.
[/QUOTE]

I seriously fear that these cards will be uber expensive. The 3080TI could be as high as $1700+ here in Canada. The reason I say that is that 2080TI is still $1400+ here in Canada. I can also see Nvidia releasing their new high end before Big NAvi gets released too. To be honest though what I really want is a fast card for 4K that can OC like how Tahiti OC so nicely for under $500.

 

[moproblems99]

If Ampere is any good then you are not getting anywhere near $700-$800. New RTX 3070 should be close to 2080 Ti with both normal performance and RT performance at half the power and no more than $449-499. I have a 2080 Ti too, but only now it will be the time to really pay for the madness that was going on in recent years. Pascal did keep it's price thanks to inflated pricing of Turing, so we were able to not feel the price of Turing, but now comes the generation not only with proper leap in performance and efficiency, but also much cheaper. This even in normal circumstances causes the previous generation to depreciate by 50%, and with Turing that was both less of generational jump and much expensive than usual, this is going to reach 70%, especially for 2080 Ti.

You are not getting a large performance increase, large efficiency gain, and large price drop. Let's get that out of the way right now. You may get one of them. If lucky.

 

[ppn]

Well 3070 is 2080S on steroids, this is 60% faster than 2070. 60% the chip size at same power higher clocks, and lower price.... than 2080S.

 

[kapone32]

Well 3070 is 2080S on steroids, this is 2x faster than 2070. 3/4 the chip size at same power higher clocks, and lower price,.... than the 2080S. but higher than 2070.

So we have pricing details for Ampere?

 

[ppn]

We have nothing for ampere at all. just grains of salt.

 

[efikkan]

We have nothing for ampere at all. just grains of salt.

Frankly, we don't even have the name confirmed…

The only "safe" guess is that it will be at least a node shrink.

 

[Super XP]

Links please....

Why not check the internet. There's a wealth of speculation and rumours for both Big Navi / RDNA2 and Ampere. lol

http://www.redgamingtech.com/rdna-2...vements-to-take-on-nvidia-analysis-exclusive/

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-...ay-be-out-in-2020-according-to-leaked-roadmap

A lot of the expertise of Zen's design team has moved to Radeon to help push AMD's graphics performance to the next level.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...erformance_efficiency_improvements_-_rumour/1

AMD's CEO, Lisa Su, has confirmed that PC gamers should expect to see Radeon graphics cards with hardware-accelerated raytracing this year. Furthermore, Lisa Su has also confirmed that "a high-end Navi" graphics card is in the works.

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-ryzen-epyc-cpus-and-rdna-2-radeon-rx-gpus-2020-launch/

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-navi-21-gddr6-rdna-2

https://upnewsinfo.com/2020/01/18/a...-than-rdna-1-with-no-added-power-consumption/

https://www.techpowerup.com/262098/ray-tracing-and-variable-rate-shading-design-goals-for-amd-rdna2

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-rdna-2-gpu-zen

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-radeon-5800-xt-(big-navi)-to-get-80-compute-units.html

 

[efikkan]

80 CUs? Does it pass the smell test?
40 CUs in Navi 10 is already 225W, but doubling that plus some kind of RT cores? This quickly sounds like >400W even with benefits from 7nm EUV. AMD better have some secret tricks up their sleeve to do this.

 

[Super XP]

80 CUs? Does it pass the smell test?
40 CUs in Navi 10 is already 225W, but doubling that plus some kind of RT cores? This quickly sounds like >400W even with benefits from 7nm EUV. AMD better have some secret tricks up their sleeve to do this.

Try not to confuse RDNA1 5700 and 5700XT with RDNA2. They aren't the same according to several reliable sources.

 

[P4-630]

Why not check the internet. There's a wealth of speculation and rumours for both Big Navi / RDNA2 and Ampere. lol

http://www.redgamingtech.com/rdna-2...vements-to-take-on-nvidia-analysis-exclusive/

https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-...ay-be-out-in-2020-according-to-leaked-roadmap

A lot of the expertise of Zen's design team has moved to Radeon to help push AMD's graphics performance to the next level.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...erformance_efficiency_improvements_-_rumour/1

AMD's CEO, Lisa Su, has confirmed that PC gamers should expect to see Radeon graphics cards with hardware-accelerated raytracing this year. Furthermore, Lisa Su has also confirmed that "a high-end Navi" graphics card is in the works.

https://wccftech.com/amd-zen-3-ryzen-epyc-cpus-and-rdna-2-radeon-rx-gpus-2020-launch/

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-radeon-rx-navi-21-gddr6-rdna-2

https://upnewsinfo.com/2020/01/18/a...-than-rdna-1-with-no-added-power-consumption/

https://www.techpowerup.com/262098/ray-tracing-and-variable-rate-shading-design-goals-for-amd-rdna2

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-rdna-2-gpu-zen

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-radeon-5800-xt-(big-navi)-to-get-80-compute-units.html

All I know is RDNA1 is a quarter of what a full new RDNA2 design will push out.

Just clicked a few links, I see "half".

 

[moproblems99]

Just clicked a few links, I see "half".

*Remembers previous hype vs launch reality*