Sapphire Radeon RX 5600 XT Pulse

[R0H1T]

Amidst all the hoopla, we have the most efficient mid range dGPU from the red camp on RDNA nonetheless!
Albeit on the older BIOS, clearly shows how little people claiming to know more than AMD actually know about this space

 

[Xuper]

hmm interesting.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

People talking about raytracing and the RTX 2060 in the same sentence? Thanks for a good laugh.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

RT on 2060 is pretty useless.

It can run minecraft and Quake 2 ray-tracing good enough i suppose

 

[Freelancer]

Not everyone cares about OC-ing either,I only use my Hardware at stock/out of box settings so thats all that matters to me. 'I'm forced to undervolt my RX 570 so thats a diff story'

I'm underclocking and undervolting my RX 580 Nitro+ and doesn't feel any change in FPS drop.

 

[cucker tarlson]

It can run minecraft and Quake 2 ray-tracing good enough i suppose

what are you talking about.Quake 2 is about the most demanding rtx game so far.

as for the 2060
85 fps in cod

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75 fps dxr medium,60 fps dxr high

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In wolfenstein it's gonna run +60 fps at 1440p

not that bad,but really,quite a difference from card that costs the same and does not support it at all.

 

[Ibotibo01]

1. Some people say that RTX 2060's RT is useless. I disagree, it has 30 RT cores but DXR performance is higher(dependent with games but mostly) than GTX 1080 Ti and RX 5700 XT(only Neon Noir). In future, RT will be important, it will became of center of games and RTX 2060 > GTX 1080 Ti for DXR games.

2. I think that RTX 2060 is not bad value. It is almostly same with GTX 1080 and Vega 64 in new games. RTX 2060's buyers are higher than other cards buyers. AMD fanboys must look at Steam Hardware Survey. If RTX 2060 is bad value, why do many people get RTX 2060?

3. I think that RX 5600 XT's price should be 250$. It will be beat GTX 1660S and RTX 2060 for sales. For me, RX 5000(not include RX5700 XT) series prices are high because of lack of RT. I am saying RT is important if you will use 2 years or higher. Otherwise it is not important, you would change RTX 3000/4000 or Navi 6000/7000.

 

[Xaled]

what are you talking about.Quake 2 is about the most demanding rtx game so far.

as for the 2060
85 fps in cod

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In wolfenstein it's gonna run +60 fps at 1440p

not that bad,but really,quite a difference from card that costs the same and does not support it at all.

Benchmarks alone are not enough, even a minor performance drop in fps is not welcomed when the difference is either not visible or feeling worse

1. Some people say that RTX 2060's RT is useless. I disagree, it has 30 RT cores but DXR performance is higher(dependent with games but mostly) than GTX 1080 Ti and RX 5700 XT(only Neon Noir). In future, RT will be important, it will became of center of games and RTX 2060 > GTX 1080 Ti for DXR games.

2. I think that RTX 2060 is not bad value. It is almostly same with GTX 1080 and Vega 64 in new games. RTX 2060's buyers are higher than other cards buyers. AMD fanboys must look at Steam Hardware Survey. If RTX 2060 is bad value, why do many people get RTX 2060?

3. I think that RX 5600 XT's price should be 250$. It will be beat GTX 1660S and RTX 2060 for sales. For me, RX 5000(not include RX5700 XT) series prices are high because of lack of RT. I am saying RT is important if you will use 2 years or higher. Otherwise it is not important, you would change RTX 3000/4000 or Navi 6000/7000.

2. Because they are either blind/brainless Fanboys or they had no choice
RT is useless in general: because it is either unavailable in 99% of games, costy for either barely noticeable or graphics that feel worse.
RT in 2060 is even worse because it has the least number of RT cores.
I just don't get it. Why Fanboys keep saying that 5600xt's price should be 250$ but they never ever said that about the exaggeratedly overpriced 2060, 2060s, 2070, 2070s, 1660ti, 1660 super and so on.

 

[sutyi]

1. Some people say that RTX 2060's RT is useless. I disagree, it has 30 RT cores but DXR performance is higher(dependent with games but mostly) than GTX 1080 Ti and RX 5700 XT(only Neon Noir). In future, RT will be important, it will became of center of games and RTX 2060 > GTX 1080 Ti for DXR games.

2. I think that RTX 2060 is not bad value. It is almostly same with GTX 1080 and Vega 64 in new games. RTX 2060's buyers are higher than other cards buyers. AMD fanboys must look at Steam Hardware Survey. If RTX 2060 is bad value, why do many people get RTX 2060?

3. I think that RX 5600 XT's price should be 250$. It will be beat GTX 1660S and RTX 2060 for sales. For me, RX 5000(not include RX5700 XT) series prices are high because of lack of RT. I am saying RT is important if you will use 2 years or higher. Otherwise it is not important, you would change RTX 3000/4000 or Navi 6000/7000.

Not to burst your bubble, but buying zero gen hardware for RTRT / DXR is rather semi pointless (no offense to RTX owners).

Current generation fixed-function (non-programmable) bits in Turing accelerate some of the raytracing workload. But being fixed-function they are also not programmable, so next major DXR feature level will probably have different dataformat than the current "RT cores" work with. So anything that isn't using the old data format will be offloaded to general shaders in the GPU.

If you "need" acceptable RT with DLSS now, by all means go for an RTX 2060 6GB model, but don't expect it to work decently with next gen RT games in years to come. It'll probably be as smooth as going FP16 to FP32 shaders on a GeForce FX.

 

[laszlo]

a good card but late to the market; nvidia will adjust the price under it and still make money without any loss so i'm expecting a price war shortly

from this war amd won't gain as much as nvidia as their card seems to cost more looking at pcb ...

 

[medi01]

nvidia will adjust the price

NV dropped 2060 price by $50, at the same time dropping quality of the cards, chuckle. (that's what KO appears to mean, reverse OK, as in "not OK" )

 

[R0H1T]

Nvidia's not gonna do anything until Ampere comes out & even then, much like Intel, they love their margins too much to make it a real good VFM option. Between Apple, Intel, Nvidia it's hard to say who I dislike more for keeping their old(er) gen product prices at the same level just because they can get away with it!

 

[B-Real]

No point to be honest. Even the PULSE model keeps this card pretty cool, considering that the factory fancurve must be really relaxed. If you do a more agressive fan curve on it maxing out at around 33-35dB noise wise, it would probably be still be quiet and you could drop around 10°C off temps.

Here in Hungary we have like 70EUR room between the PULSE RX 5600XT and the PULSE RX 5700, so I would say probably no Nitro+ version in the works, but if they do a two fan version maybe it would land between the two price wise.

That's 100% true and I share your opinion too: I would buy the Pulse (or Powercolor Red Dragon, or maybe the Gigabyte Gaming), but there are people who want to have the best cooling models.

what are you talking about.Quake 2 is about the most demanding rtx game so far.

as for the 2060
85 fps in cod

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74 medium,53 high

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In wolfenstein it's gonna run +60 fps at 1440p

not that bad,but really,quite a difference from card that costs the same and does not support it at all.

I remember you linked this one earlier too. Sorry, but the minimums presented in the graphs are just not realistic at all. In most games, minimums usually are near half of the avg fps is. That' s nowhere near in the tests.

I found these results:

Metro RT Ultra: 24 minimum, 36 avg fps

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1793/images/2019-02-15-image.png

Tomb Raider RT Ultra: 32 minimum, 52 avg fps

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1814/images/2019-03-21-image-4.png

Battlefield V (with Tides of War) RT Ultra on RTX 2070: 56 minimum, 70 avg fps. Yours says RTX 2060 is 62/67

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1759/images/2018-12-06-image-11.png

Control RTX Ultra: 36 minimum, 44 avg fps

CONTROL PC Performance Explored - All In On RTX

Keith firmly believes that Control is best played and enjoyed on PC with all of the ray trancing NVIDIA features enabled.

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CoD is a title that ran absolutely well on cheaper GPUs. Same is true for BF. Yet the latter had to be patched to get a normal performance in RT - and they did it buy reducing graphic quality. The other three, much more demanding games suck on RTX 2060 with RTX High/Ultra, according to the reviews. I don't want to have 25-30ish minimums in FHD on a $350 card. Not even on a $300. Even if it's RT.

 

[Xuper]

If you use 2060 for RTX in Control, Render Resolution will be 720p while Resolution will be 1080p.so next upcoming Game will demand more resource to do ray-tracing process which RTX 2060 is NOT enough, at least RTX3060.If you want to Say 2060 is better buy , at least use below Strong logic :

NVEC / CUDA / stable driver.

DLSS and RTX are quite weak logic.

 

[medi01]

Any moron could've anticipated that NVIDIA would cut RTX 2060 prices to hamstring 5600 XT.... except, apparently, the morons in charge of RTG. They aren't willing to drop their price to compete,

You should stop smoking that crap you are smoking, son.
5600XT is a cheaper, faster card that consumes less than even legit 2060, let alone crippled down KO.

Well is 10-20% cheaper than GTX 2060 super in denmark, but only 5-10% cheaper than the RX 5700, might be a hard sale - but funny fact its already on sale with 5-10% discount

A short illustration on why "buys make rational decisions" being a myth.

 

[notb]

5600XT is a cheaper, faster card that consumes less than even legit 2060, let alone crippled down KO.

Power consumption is higher with 5600XT (at least in TPU's test: check max gaming)

 

[jabbadap]

Power consumption is higher with 5600XT (at least in TPU's test: check max gaming)

Nope by "consumption" peak values are quite meaningless.

NV dropped 2060 price by $50, at the same time dropping quality of the cards, chuckle. (that's what KO appears to mean, reverse OK, as in "not OK" )

Uhm I don't think Nvidia changed anything on FE...

While true KO might have one of the worst RTX2060 models out there, it's not Nvidia's made card but EVGAs...

 

[Assimilator]

You should stop smoking that crap you are smoking, son.
5600XT is a cheaper, faster card that consumes less than even legit 2060, let alone crippled down KO.

You should learn to read, since I never said that 5600 XT was more expensive or slower or has worse power draw.

 

[notb]

Nope by "consumption" peak values are quite meaningless.

How are they meaningless? What do you look at when buying a PSU or choosing case cooling?

Navi peaks higher during gaming. If we got actual time series, we would know how often it happens and it what circumstances.

BTW: the average power consumption of my desktop i5 must be 10W. Amazing stuff from Intel!

 

[cucker tarlson]

Benchmarks alone are not enough, even a minor performance drop in fps is not welcomed when the difference is either not visible or feeling worse

what are you talking about ?
every quality setting has an impact
rasterized soft shadows,ultra ssr reflections,and especially ultra global illumination in some traditionally rendered games are absolute performance killers.
you think rtx alone has a performance hit ?

and how are ray traced reflections,shadows and GI worse ?
have you seen what ssr and rasterized ultra shadows look like in modern AAAs in comparison to rtx ? realistic volumetric GI in quantum break had my gtx 1080 struggling at 32-34 fps.
we're approaching a decade of developers making a mockery of reflections and shadows,the more recent the game the worse the examples of it get.I played 400 hrs of odyssey,I know the ssr compred to a decade old bioshock games are just comically bad.
to get a tool like rtrt and dismiss as it worse than what big studios have been producing with rasterized reflections/shadows/light recently is ludicrous.

Nope by "consumption" peak values are quite meaningless.

my dead 290 trix cards and dead XFX 850w psu would like to disagree
it does not matter until it happens to you

If you use 2060 for RTX in Control, Render Resolution will be 720p while Resolution will be 1080p.so next upcoming Game will demand more resource to do ray-tracing process which RTX 2060 is NOT enough, at least RTX3060.If you want to Say 2060 is better buy , at least use below Strong logic :

NVEC / CUDA / stable driver.

DLSS and RTX are quite weak logic.

well yes,but control uses 4 different rt settings at max,it's pretty intensive
what you're always comparing is dxr ultra,which is pretty balls out usually
2060 can't handle ultra,but medium is usually fine and high might be possible in some too.

That's 100% true and I share your opinion too: I would buy the Pulse (or Powercolor Red Dragon, or maybe the Gigabyte Gaming), but there are people who want to have the best cooling models.


I remember you linked this one earlier too. Sorry, but the minimums presented in the graphs are just not realistic at all. In most games, minimums usually are near half of the avg fps is. That' s nowhere near in the tests.

I found these results:

Metro RT Ultra: 24 minimum, 36 avg fps

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1793/images/2019-02-15-image.png

Tomb Raider RT Ultra: 32 minimum, 52 avg fps

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1814/images/2019-03-21-image-4.png

Battlefield V (with Tides of War) RT Ultra on RTX 2070: 56 minimum, 70 avg fps. Yours says RTX 2060 is 62/67

https://static.techspot.com/articles-info/1759/images/2018-12-06-image-11.png

Control RTX Ultra: 36 minimum, 44 avg fps

CONTROL PC Performance Explored - All In On RTX

Keith firmly believes that Control is best played and enjoyed on PC with all of the ray trancing NVIDIA features enabled.

wccftech.com

CoD is a title that ran absolutely well on cheaper GPUs. Same is true for BF. Yet the latter had to be patched to get a normal performance in RT - and they did it buy reducing graphic quality. The other three, much more demanding games suck on RTX 2060 with RTX High/Ultra, according to the reviews. I don't want to have 25-30ish minimums in FHD on a $350 card. Not even on a $300. Even if it's RT.

can you provide information on the timeframe ?
bf5 and metro both got performance patches,and quite significat ones.
techspot (hwunboxed) tend to test early and leave it.
as for metro,25 fps min is possible,if they went crazy with other settings.
performance in metro can absolutely destroy a high end gpu even without rtx

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2080ti can't do 60 at 1080p

 

[Metroid]

anything less than 256 bit bus is pretty useless for most deep learning, ai and the sort and at this price, i wish it was no more than $200.

 

[jabbadap]

How are they meaningless? What do you look at when buying a PSU or choosing case cooling?

Navi peaks higher during gaming. If we got actual time series, we would know how often it happens and it what circumstances.

BTW: the average power consumption of my desktop i5 must be 10W. Amazing stuff from Intel!

Right like that matter when one has 6W higher peak. Higher peak does not make more temperature load to the system, higher average does(Energy is time cumulative of power). Either way they are so close with the power consumption and considering chip variances, that they are virtually tie in gaming power consumption.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Right like that matter when one has 6W higher peak. Higher peak does not make more temperature load to the system, higher average does(Energy is time cumulative of power). Either way they are so close with the power consumption and considering chip variances, that they are virtually tie in gaming power consumption.

he's talking avg vs peak,that's clear.

 

[Xuper]

well yes,but control uses 4 different rt settings at max,it's pretty intensive
what you're always comparing is dxr ultra,which is pretty balls out usually
2060 can't handle ultra,but medium is usually fine and high might be possible in some too.

I didn't mention ultra rather low/Medium.my point is that RTX on 2060 is weak.we will see in 2 years later when games are going to eat a lot resources for ray-tracing process.different between DXR off/low is at least 40%.a card like 2060 can only use in game like Minecraft / Quake II.I bet Cyberpunk 2077 will be worse due to Open world.

 

[notb]

Right like that matter when one has 6W higher peak.

Higher is higher. I was answering the post that 5600XT pulls less.

Higher peak does not make more temperature load to the system,

But high peaks are what makes PSUs and cooling fail. You buy stuff to cover the maximums.

You have 2 systems: A and B. They have the same average performance.
A has slightly lower average but boosts much higher from time to time. B has slightly higher average, but without peaks.
System A will need more expensive mobo, PSU and cooling.

Peaks matter - that's all I'm saying. Don't take it too personal.

higher average does(Energy is time cumulative of power).

This you can take personal: energy is a time INTEGRAL of power.
Cumulative is a sum. A sum of whatever is still a whatever.