Xeon Owners Club

[lexluthermiester]

Nah, the performance is not the issue with doom. I'm asking why am i getting the same framerates with two different CPU's, when the 2630 v2 is suppose to be faster. I'm getting the same fps in every game, even sleeping dogs which i just posted from the photo.

Unless the 1607 v2 is faster with less cores?

That's an easy answer, you are GPU bottlenecked. In other words your system's limiting factor with either CPU is not the CPU but the video card. Change your video card to something that performs better and you will then be able to gauge the difference between the performance of the two CPU's in games much better.

 

[RadeonProVega]

That's an easy answer, you are GPU bottlenecked. In other words your system's limiting factor with either CPU is not the CPU but the video card. Change your video card to something that performs better and you will then be able to gauge the difference between the performance of the two CPU's in games much better.

I have some upgrade plans soon , i just bought the 4100 wx, great card. Once i upgrade i will use the 4100 for my secondary computer. Will keep it in mind, thanks. But for the most part games work perfectly fine, but i see your point!

 

[lexluthermiester]

i just bought the 4100 wx, great card.

It is a good card. Even though it was intended to be a development focused workstation card, most of those types of cards make solid gaming cards and that one was a good performer for it's time. A Radeon Pro WX 5100 would have been a much better card for only a little more money. If you can find on for a good price get it as it will almost double your gaming performance.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just checked prices... Good Grief!

For example, a Vega56 will serve you well!

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$180 shipped

Or if you prefer NVidia, a GTX 1070 is also a solid choice;

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[RadeonProVega]

It is a good card. Even though it was intended to be a development focused workstation card, most of those types of cards make solid gaming cards, and that one was a good performer for it's time. A Radeon Pro WX 5100 would have been a much better card for only a little more money. If you can find on for a good price get it as it will almost double your gaming performance.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just checked prices... Good Grief!

For example, a Vega56 will serve you well!

XFX Radeon RX Vega 56 Dual Fan 8GB HBM2 Graphics Card AMD Used | eBay

<p>XFX Radeon RX Vega 56 8GB 3xDP HDMI Model Number RX-VegaLD.</p><br><p>Condition is Used. Shipped with USPS Priority Mail.</p><p>Fans do not work! </p><p>Original Box and Parts Parts Pictured are Included.</p><br><p>Bench Test Screen Shot is the actual result of this exact GPU for sale, but is...

www.ebay.com

$180 shipped

Actually its funny i was going to buy the 8GB WX 5100, but the WX Pro 4100 was sold to me for only 110 dollars. (down from 140, special offer). I am working on building a secondary computer with windows 7 and plan to use the 4100 on it. Yea the prices for the 5100 is a big silly. Will keep them in mind, thanks.

 

[Edwired]

Sure all drivers and software up to date?

 

[RadeonProVega]

Sure all drivers and software up to date?

I'm using some previous drivers 12/19/2020, because the newer ones has relive recording issues and i get slower fps in games. Software yes. What Lex said seems to be correct, because i was just watching some videos with people with the same cpu but faster gpus and they are getting well over 100fps. You learn something new everyday i guess, never really knew a GPU could be bottleneck like that.

Its cool though, I'm gaming good! Will upgrade soon.

 

[Edwired]

I always thought the gpu bus width would be a limiting factor like 128 bits vs 256 bits

 

[storm-chaser]

Okay, I just got my second z820 rig online. This one is running a SINGLE Xeon E5-2650 CPU that has a base clock of 2.6GHz and boost clock of 3.4Ghz. 8 cores, 16 threads, 95W TDP.

I am still waiting on my two E5 2673 v2 chips as they are coming from China... so expect another update when those get here. These E5 2673 v2 chips throttle up to 4.0GHz boost clocks, that's one of the primary motives for this purchase. The first z820 rig is targeted for maximum ALL CORE performance. Where this one will be built for PER CORE performance. In any event we will still have 16 cores and 32 threads. So we are still going to be bringing some serious horsepower to the table.

Stays whisper quiet and stone cold, and the lower ambient temps here on the ground floor are in the mid 60s... so it stays nice and cool no matter what I throw at it.

CPU Specs:

• QuickPath Interconnect speed is 8 GT/s.
• Direct Media Interface speed is 5 GT/s.
• The CPU supports ECC memory.
• The part supports DDR3-1866 memory.
• This microprocessor supports Turbo Boost Technology. The maximum frequency increase in Turbo Boost mode is 800 MHz for 1 core, 700 MHz for 2 cores, 600 MHz for 3 cores, and 500 MHz for 4 or more cores.

 

[8BitZ80]

These are my personal best hey @PooPipeBoy i give ya challenge to try to beat any of these scores

Nahhh I'm good. The furthest I've ever gone with an LGA775 overclock is 4.2GHz on a Core 2 Duo E8400, but it's well known that the dual cores are super easy to overclock and I've seen other instances of up to 4.5GHz on air cooling.

 

[RadeonProVega]

Okay, I just got my second z820 rig online. This one is running a SINGLE Xeon E5-2650 CPU that has a base clock of 2.6GHz and boost clock of 3.4Ghz. 8 cores, 16 threads, 95W TDP.

I am still waiting on my two E5 2673 v2 chips as they are coming from China... so expect another update when those get here. These E5 2673 v2 chips throttle up to 4.0GHz boost clocks, that's one of the primary motives for this purchase. The first z820 rig is targeted for maximum ALL CORE performance. Where this one will be built for PER CORE performance. In any event we will still have 16 cores and 32 threads. So we are still going to be bringing some serious horsepower to the table.

Stays whisper quiet and stone cold, and the lower ambient temps here on the ground floor are in the mid 60s... so it stays nice and cool no matter what I throw at it.

CPU Specs:

• QuickPath Interconnect speed is 8 GT/s.
• Direct Media Interface speed is 5 GT/s.
• The CPU supports ECC memory.
• The part supports DDR3-1866 memory.
• This microprocessor supports Turbo Boost Technology. The maximum frequency increase in Turbo Boost mode is 800 MHz for 1 core, 700 MHz for 2 cores, 600 MHz for 3 cores, and 500 MHz for 4 or more cores.

Great rig and CPU, but you forgot to turn on VT BTW, you really did order from china? wow. stay safe and clean them good.

I always thought the gpu bus width would be a limiting factor like 128 bits vs 256 bits

Well just an update, i have been reading around, turns out when you turn on PCIE Performance mode, it disables turbo boost, but it increases your overall computer speed and it seems so. Turning off turbo mode didn't make the performance go down, it made it better. One example, compare the recent sleeping dogs benchmark to the one i posted before. Went up about 5 fps, doom runs a bit faster, i can watch videos in 4k now without an issue ( yea i could always do that, even with my asus 260xoc, but something wrong messing with the speed of videos when i had pcie performance mode off. )

Anyways, things are good, going to upgrade my GPU next month though and as i said just use the 4100 wx on my secondary computer with windows 7.
peace.

 

[Edwired]

Nahhh I'm good. The furthest I've ever gone with an LGA775 overclock is 4.2GHz on a Core 2 Duo E8400, but it's well known that the dual cores are super easy to overclock and I've seen other instances of up to 4.5GHz on air cooling.

Ah dual core are long dead not many things will run correctly nowadays since it either 4 cores and more is required

 

[storm-chaser]

Great rig and CPU, but you forgot to turn on VT BTW, you really did order from china? wow. stay safe and clean them good.

Yes, as the matter of fact I have ordered dozens of chips from China over the years. I have never had an issue, but I guess some people don't have good luck? Just do a little homework before you purchase and you should have no problem. People also talk of "fake" CPUs coming from China. While this does happen, if you know what you're doing and what to look out for, and get good pictures up front, you should be able to sort it out without getting ripped off.

Yes, the processors are coming from China. These processors are unique in that they are an OEM part only. So this means limited availability as they were never released for public sale. Since China gets all of our old hardware, it's highly probable these chips are legit. And as I am sure you guys are aware, OEM processors usually do pretty well in terms of striking a balance between TDP and clocks. Or at least this is the trend I've been seeing. Matter of fact my other z820 rig is running OEM processors as well. But those chips I was able to source from the states.

I will be thoroughly disinfecting the chips when they arrive due to corona virus concerns. LOL not really, but I will stay at least 6 feet away from them for the first week they are here. After that point I will pick them up and run them through the dishwasher a couple times, then soak in rubbing alcohol for another two weeks. Then leave them on the cure cottage porch on the 2nd floor for two weeks so they can soak in that pure, Adirondack air. Once that process is done, I should be able to touch the CPUs without fear of contracting the "Corona *cough* Obama *cough* virus. Then we can get this project wrapped up!

 

[8BitZ80]

Ah dual core are long dead not many things will run correctly nowadays since it either 4 cores and more is required

The quad cores definitely have an edge in compatibility but basically everything LGA775 is over the hill now. I got a Haswell Core i3 4130 and my E5450 couldn't hold a candle to it in game performance. Similar Cinebench performance, but that was about all in terms of competition. Not that it really matters because I like the LGA775 systems for running older programs on Windows XP and Windows 7.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Okay, I just got my second z820 rig online. This one is running a SINGLE Xeon E5-2650 CPU that has a base clock of 2.6GHz and boost clock of 3.4Ghz. 8 cores, 16 threads, 95W TDP.

I am still waiting on my two E5 2673 v2 chips as they are coming from China... so expect another update when those get here. These E5 2673 v2 chips throttle up to 4.0GHz boost clocks, that's one of the primary motives for this purchase. The first z820 rig is targeted for maximum ALL CORE performance. Where this one will be built for PER CORE performance. In any event we will still have 16 cores and 32 threads. So we are still going to be bringing some serious horsepower to the table.

Stays whisper quiet and stone cold, and the lower ambient temps here on the ground floor are in the mid 60s... so it stays nice and cool no matter what I throw at it.

CPU Specs:

• QuickPath Interconnect speed is 8 GT/s.
• Direct Media Interface speed is 5 GT/s.
• The CPU supports ECC memory.
• The part supports DDR3-1866 memory.
• This microprocessor supports Turbo Boost Technology. The maximum frequency increase in Turbo Boost mode is 800 MHz for 1 core, 700 MHz for 2 cores, 600 MHz for 3 cores, and 500 MHz for 4 or more cores.

I have also Xeon 2650 V2 paired with the Sabertooth and I managed to OC (bclk)on 3,4Ghz on all cores + turbo 3,8Gz here are the my result:

here is the difference in CPU-Z stockedVsOC:

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ah dual core are long dead not many things will run correctly nowadays since it either 4 cores and more is required

That's not true at all, otherwise Intel wouldn't still be making dual core CPU's

 

[Edwired]

That's not true at all, other wise Intel wouldn't still be making dual core CPU's

I know it the older dual cores i was referring to back a few years back

 

[storm-chaser]

I know it the older dual cores i was referring to back a few years back

You can still run windows 10 flawlessly on a non overclocked dual core e8400.... And this CPU was introduced on Jan 7, 2008...

And this goes without saying for almost the entire core 2 duo lineup....

I have also Xeon 2650 V2 paired with the Sabertooth and I managed to OC (bclk)on 3,4Ghz on all cores + turbo 3,8Gz here are the my result:

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here is the difference in CPU-Z stockedVsOC:
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Definitely kicking my processors butt. That's pretty cool you did that with a 2600 v2 series xeon.

Do you have any CPU z screenshots.. I'd just like to see more of your OC configuration.

I have been searching high and low for a method to get the 2600 v2 chips to run on the turbo multiplier all the time ... but I think at this point it's a pipe dream. FSB is the only method of overclock, right?

I really need to get a custom bios made for the z820 so we can modify that BCLK setting. I might actually go over to www.bios-mods.com today and see if they can help me out. It's probably not a machine they are familiar with, but I know they do a lot with HP machines in general so there is still a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Edwired]

Suppose yeah but it depend on per user might get away with word processing but it would be bottlenecked in my experience. even when i posted earlier about windows msconfig i disabled 2 cores ran for a day to test out how crippled the performance was, dirt rally 2.0 was happy to run the game with 2 cores which i was surprised, it too abit longer to load and usability with firefox was ok tad longer to load webpages and youtube but nowadays we have more cores and threads to do everything only if the xeon e5450 had hyperthreading it would be a different story

 

[8BitZ80]

That's not true at all, otherwise Intel wouldn't still be making dual core CPU's

I've tried to benchmark gaming performance of dual-core versus quad-core processors (e.g. Core 2 Duo E8400 vs. Core 2 Quad Q8200), but I haven't been able to conclusively find a trend that one is better than the other.
It really depends on the optimisation of the game: Some games like high core count, other games like high clock speeds, others like lots of cache, yah dee yah.
Some games like Skyrim actually suffer (lower avg, min and max FPS values) with a lower-clocked quad core, but then I saw BeamNG.drive saw improvements across the board with the same quad core. Then other games like Minecraft muddied the waters with mixed results and no clear winner.
Quad cores are generally more capable and you're less likely to get stutters in FPS, but the dual cores really aren't too bad either and can trade blows if they're clocked higher.

 

[storm-chaser]

Suppose yeah but it depend on per user might get away with word processing but it would be bottlenecked in my experience. even when i posted earlier about windows msconfig i disabled 2 cores ran for a day to test out how crippled the performance was, dirt rally 2.0 was happy to run the game with 2 cores which i was surprised, it too abit longer to load and usability with firefox was ok tad longer to load webpages and youtube but nowadays we have more cores and threads to do everything only if the xeon e5450 had hyperthreading it would be a different story

But for basic internet use, YouTube, etc. and perhaps some MS office stuff, you'd be totally fine. There is a reason major laptop manufacturers are still using dual core chips in 2020. You'd be surprised how many laptops still ship with dual core processors. Now, with hyperthreading you can actually get away with mutlitasking in most circumstances.

But you are right, for gaming, a dual core doesn't really cut it anymore. What happened to the triple core craze? That went out of style for some reason. I think it would strike the perfect balance for a laptop, provided your CPU has good per core performance.

 

[Edwired]

But for basic internet use, YouTube, etc. and perhaps some MS office stuff, you'd be totally fine. There is a reason major laptop manufacturers are still using dual core chips in 2020. You'd be surprised how many laptops still ship with dual core processors. Now, with hyperthreading you can actually get away with mutlitasking in most circumstances.

But you are right, for gaming, a dual core doesn't really cut it anymore. What happened to the triple core craze? That went out of style for some reason. I think it would strike the perfect balance for a laptop, provided your CPU has good per core performance.

Well it depends on per laptop as some people just overload the older dual core cpu due to background services like av and bloatware that just eat cpu cycle for breakfast.

Also just got the notice from dhl that the motherboard arrived in ireland cant wait to build it i will be using just the stock clocks for now till i get more mx-4 paste nearly out of it at the moment will need to replace the thermal pads and paste god knows how bad or dry since it last applied

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Definitely kicking my processors butt. That's pretty cool you did that with a 2600 v2 series xeon.

Do you have any CPU z screenshots.. I'd just like to see more of your OC configuration.

I have been searching high and low for a method to get the 2600 v2 chips to run on the turbo multiplier all the time ... but I think at this point it's a pipe dream. FSB is the only method of overclock, right?

I really need to get a custom bios made for the z820 so we can modify that BCLK setting. I might actually go over to www.bios-mods.com today and see if they can help me out. It's probably not a machine they are familiar with, but I know they do a lot with HP machines in general so there is still a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel.

Here.....take a look of my Cpu-z&Open Hardware Monitor screenshot......take a note how every of those cores boost at some point on max-turbo speed at 3842Mhz individually also those MAX temps are after I did Intel Burn Test.....

Max BCLK OC for me is 113(bus speed)I notice that many people maxed on 113 tho' few of them claim that series 2600 can be pushed even further but I guess that depends from the mobo and cpu lottery....As I know on X79 you can OC via bclk locked Xeons on decent boards + you can leave turbo-on in bios options and on X99 platform there is hack to do All cores turbo multiplier all the time but I never heard that any hack like that exist on X79....

 

[storm-chaser]

Here.....take a look of my Cpu-z&Open Hardware Monitor screenshot......take a note how every of those cores boost at some point on max-turbo speed at 3842Mhz individually also those MAX temps are after I did Intel Burn Test.....
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Max BCLK OC for me is 113(bus speed)I notice that many people maxed on 113 tho' few of them claim that series 2600 can be pushed even further but I guess that depends from the mobo and cpu lottery....As I know on X79 you can OC via bclk locked Xeons on decent boards + you can leave turbo-on in bios options and on X99 platform there is hack to do All cores turbo multiplier all the time but I never heard that any hack like that exist on X79....

Looks great! What I wouldn't do for a multiplier change on these Xeon CPUs. That would open up an entirely untapped sector of the CPU market for overclock enthusiasts. But I know, that's a pipe dream.

 

[8BitZ80]

I don't enjoy destroying computer stuff, but this is the second (and final) episode of my processor-destroying experiments.
There were some Xeon E5320's selling for a few bucks each online and so it's a great opportunity to check out the silicon of a 65nm quad core.
Specs are 1.86GHz/8M/1066, so it's basically a low-clocked Core 2 Quad Q6600:

The one below is a direct comparison between 65nm (E5320, 8M cache) and 45nm (L5420, 12M cache).

The reason why I take more pictures of the silicon on the processor IHS is because the iridescent effect is more pronounced from the underside of a flip-chip processor. You can kind of see the difference in the first picture that compares the IHS and PCB.

 

[Edwired]

The board arrived this morning i say i put it together during the week

Had abit of trouble getting all 6 dram slot to work so ended up swapping around the ram to see which one likes the dram slots only took me 10 mins to get 12gb to pop up

There is it in all in it glory form. Not in the case yet have to prepare windows 10 to detect new hardware while I'm backing up stuff in case it goes funky on me

It installed in the case no problems so far got the hang of the bios I set the dram and qpi to manual so it won't be out of spec managed to get 3.34ghz base, turbo 3.62ghx @ 1.184v temp on core Max 48c it be a lot less during gaming. Loving the xeon x5675 performance