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AMD Backpedals, Zen 3 Support Coming to B450 and X470

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Amite said:
Given the slowdown AMD was about to shoot their selves in the foot
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What slowdown?
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A lot of things has slowed down the last months, AMD sales is not on of them, if Mindfactory sales are of any indication. I know, just one big store in one country.

More than three times as many CPU's sold in one month compared to a year ago, and nine months since the last Ryzen launch. Not bad.

Compare all the Intel CPU's sold last month with the 3600 alone, yeah that's less than half the amount..

Or have a look at Amazon, would like to see the numbers tho, this is less informative than the last one. I always thought USA were more pro Intel than Germany, but again, this doesn't tell us much.
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Well you could argue that with a new launch, okay rebadged SKL, Intel would gain some market share but that's normal. If AMD were to launch their APU & zen3 for desktops in the near future their sales would skyrocket once again. In terms of DIY the sales fluctuate periodically between launches, though the momentum AMD has in this direction will not reverse any time soon, unless Intel pulls a Conroe & prices their best parts way lower than what AMD does currently ~ yes that was one of the main reasons why Core took off !
 
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R0H1T said:
unless Intel pulls a Conroe & prices their best parts way lower than what AMD does currently
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That never happened with Conroe. Intels best C2D cost $1000 at launch.


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yes that was one of the main reasons why Core took off !
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Low power, overclockability and IPC uplift were the main reasons IMO. They weren't exactly cheap just because they were worth the money.
 
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Did it? I don't remember the timeline but I do recall the best AMD processors costing $1k just before their launch IIRC.
 
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R0H1T said:
Did it? I don't remember the timeline but I do recall the best AMD processors costing $1k just before their launch IIRC.
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You're right. Socket 939's swansong (FX-60) was the hottest consumer chip you could buy when Conroe landed and it was selling at over $1k in quantities of 1000.
 
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Conroe (microprocessor) - Wikipedia

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$316 for an E6600
Further 4c/4t i5 were just above $200 though (iirc)
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I'm not sure how that answers his point. He clearly said "prices their best parts" so we're talking Core2 Extreme at $999.

If you want to link budget dual-core conroe, at $316 you need to compare to the competition at the time, which would have been the new (at the time) AM2 Athlon 64 X2 line - and back then you were getting similar IPC, core counts, clockspeeds, and pricing from both AMD and Intel.

This article acknowledges that Intel had to massively slash prices to "pull a conroe" as R0H1T called it:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/2045/2
Though I would say that they didn't massively undercut AMD, they massively undercut their previous product stack, obsoleting the entire Pentium D line overnight in order to match AMD.
 
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I think it's funny how some people payed $1000 for a bit better silicon, stock speed, overclockability and cache size. At least these ones had two cores lol.
 
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Chrispy_ said:
I'm not sure how that answers his point.
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He said he doesn't remember the timeline. I liked to the prices at launch and used a mid-ranger for reference.
Like you @Mats said, Conroe wasn't cheap overall. It was about bang for the buck.
 
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If anyone lowered their prices it was AMD, because they had to.
 
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What if you have a decent motherboard that has more than 16MB ROM?
 
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"ASUS says they are using only 16MB of the 32MB ROM, and that the extra space is to ensure future CPU support, in case AMD expands the BIOS size."

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ASUS Crosshair VII Hero (AMD X470) Motherboard Review

The ASUS Crosshair VII Hero is one of few high-end motherboards with a solid legacy, lets see if it lives up to its name!
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Mats said:
Do you even understand what I was talking about? Hint: It was offtopic..
AMD in 2006. They had to lower their prices because of Intels new CPU's at the time.
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Too bad for your argument, AMD has Zen 2 refresh.
 
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bug said:
With all that talk, AMD was about to do what their fans accuse Intel of: removing CPU support for no good reason.
At least they reversed their stance quickly. But not quick enough for people not to notice where their heart truly is ;)
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The 16 MB limitation and the one way ticket to Zen 3 isn’t a good reason. They also said they had no plans but that didn’t mean it wouldn’t happen. At least Zen changes year after year. As it stands the X470 supports three generations of Zen. That’s more than Intel ever gives. Intel hasn’t actually changed their architecture since Skylake and Z170. Yet we have Z170, Z270, Z370, Z390 and a newly pinned Z490.
 
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