A Question About Motherboards

[Valinor]

i want to buy a ryzen 4900x when it comes out, im gonna need a motherboard that already supports the new ryzens, because i wont have a motherboard i can get a bios update to support them, will i have to wait to buy a new motherboard until after the new ryzens come out so i know they support the new ryzens or can i buy one right now that will support them, because i wont be able to do a bios upgrade later, this is the first time im going to build a computer, and im going from a xeon x3470 quad core to ryzen 4900x so this will be a huge upgrade for me, really excited about it

 

[Caring1]

Just wait, the Motherboards will be released around the same time as the Processors.

 

[Valinor]

Thanks Sir!, also do you expect the new ryzens to sell out in minutes or an hour upon release on amazon, did they last year? because i got prime and i want to order it day one, just wondering if i got to be crazy fast ordering it

 

[aQi]

The motherboards (new chipset) will likely show up on the exact time.
If you are talking about the current chipset supporting 3rd gen ryzen and will support the new 4th gen after the bios update. Well in that case the same motherboards will be sold with the bios update and a marker on its box that ryzen 4th gen supported. Just as the previously done.

 

[Bill_Bright]

will i have to wait to buy a new motherboard until after the new ryzens come out so i know they support the new ryzens or can i buy one right now that will support them

You are asking us to look into a crystal ball and predict the future. I wish I could.

Motherboard makers certainly try to ensure their boards will support future processors, but there is no way to be 100% certain they will. So as suggested, it would be best to wait until the processor you want hits the market, then buy a board you know already supports it.

And FTR, I do not recommend you buy on "Day 1". You don't want a processor or a motherboard that was "rushed to market". I recommend waiting a month or two and listen for fall-out.

because i wont be able to do a bios upgrade later,

Why?

 

[TheLostSwede]

Just wait, the Motherboards will be released around the same time as the Processors.

Source on this information? Afaik, there are no new boards specifically being made for the Ryzen 4000-series. We might see some updated models though, but as AMD isn't planning any new chipsets this year...

The motherboards (new chipset) will likely show up on the exact time.
If you are talking about the current chipset supporting 3rd gen ryzen and will support the new 4th gen after the bios update. Well in that case the same motherboards will be sold with the bios update and a marker on its box that ryzen 4th gen supported. Just as the previously done.

Again, source on this? To my knowledge, there is no new chipset(s) for the 4000-series.

My source being people I know that work at motherboard makers.

i want to buy a ryzen 4900x when it comes out, im gonna need a motherboard that already supports the new ryzens, because i wont have a motherboard i can get a bios update to support them, will i have to wait to buy a new motherboard until after the new ryzens come out so i know they support the new ryzens or can i buy one right now that will support them, because i wont be able to do a bios upgrade later, this is the first time im going to build a computer, and im going from a xeon x3470 quad core to ryzen 4900x so this will be a huge upgrade for me, really excited about it

Just get a board that supports what in general seems to be called BIOS Flashback. It allows you to put the UEFI file on a USB stick, put it in a dedicated USB port, press a button on the board and the UEFI can be flashed without a CPU in the socket. The board needs to be connected to a PSU though.

 

[milewski1015]

You can buy a motherboard now if you really want to - an X570 board with BIOS flashback would give you the most features (in terms of PCIe lane allocation, etc.) as well as not need a current CPU to update the BIOS to a 4000-series compatible one. However, I'm going to agree with Bill here. Don't buy day one, and I would recommend getting a motherboard that releases alongside the new chips as well, if there is such a thing (as TheLostSwede points out, there hasn't been any info about new mobos). It doesn't make sense for you to buy a motherboard now, have it sit in the box gathering dust, lose your ability to return it no questions asked when the 30-day return period expires, just to find out that there's some feature on a new chipset motherboard released alongside the 4000 series that the older boards don't have.

 

[bonehead123]

IMHO, the worst possible time to buy a totally new CPU is one day 1.... unless of course you think you just gotta have it right there & then.... I'm pretty sure most folks here will say to wait a month or so, to see what, if any, bugs surface & have time to get them worked out...

But as swede already stated, there has been no indications that AMD will release a new mobo chipset this year specifically to support the 4 series cpu's, and they said a good while back that the current chips will support them with a bios update....

And mobo makers always wanna make sure their stuff supports new cpu's so they can keep the buy this-upgrade that cash cow cycle going. They have known about ALL the specs & details of the 4 series for quite some time now, so they should have everything ready to go asap after their release

 

[kapone32]

You can buy a motherboard now if you really want to - an X570 board with BIOS flashback would give you the most features (in terms of PCIe lane allocation, etc.) as well as not need a current CPU to update the BIOS to a 4000-series compatible one. However, I'm going to agree with Bill here. Don't buy day one, and I would recommend getting a motherboard that releases alongside the new chips as well, if there is such a thing (as TheLostSwede points out, there hasn't been any info about new mobos). It doesn't make sense for you to buy a motherboard now, have it sit in the box gathering dust, lose your ability to return it no questions asked when the 30-day return period expires, just to find out that there's some feature on a new chipset motherboard released alongside the 4000 series that the older boards don't have.

That is probably why just about every B550 and X570 boards come with a BIOS flash button. Even the lowly MSI X570 Pro has one.

 

[aQi]

Source on this information? Afaik, there are no new boards specifically being made for the Ryzen 4000-series. We might see some updated models though, but as AMD isn't planning any new chipsets this year...


Again, source on this? To my knowledge, there is no new chipset(s) for the 4000-series.

My source being people I know that work at motherboard makers.

Thats what everyone is saying that the same chipset will work for ryzen 4000 series.

 

[Assimilator]

I suggest learning to use capital letters and periods.

 

[John Naylor]

Thanks Sir!, also do you expect the new ryzens to sell out in minutes or an hour upon release on amazon, did they last year? because i got prime and i want to order it day one, just wondering if i got to be crazy fast ordering it

You're punishing yourself .... there's a reason they call it the "bleeding edge".

1. The BIOS issue you stated (when it applies)
2. The unstated BIOS issue .... immature BIOSs will be improved ... leaving you to to update and retweak your settings, 1, 2, 3 ... or more times before ,,, if you overclock, even more headaches.
3. Higher prices .... bragging rights for being the 1st on on your block or in your circle to have the new shiny thing means you will come up short compared to peeps who wait,
4. First stepping electronics are devoid of all the fixes that are addressed in later steppings. Those that wait, get to miss this.
5. Production line improvements usually result in better perfomance. The % of CPUs for example that meat certain performance benchmarks increases over time. CPU Overclocking for example .... let's say that 2% of CPUs hit X.Y Ghz .... bext stepping that % often goes up a bit ... 3rd stepping a bit more. With RAM we see more sticks being able to hit a specific speed at lower voltages .... My current MoBo in early steppings had an issue with external devices not walking up when PC came out of sleep mode. I waited 2.5 months until a new stepping that resolved the problem.
6. Remember the famous line in the move "Princess Bride" ... "I don't think that word means what you think it means". That applies to component selection. My son shares a house with 2 of his college buddies, was over there last night ..... play date for our dogs .... and one of the guys was asking questions about his component selections and named his choices . So i asked ... "Well if the stuff isn't even out yet, how can you make up ya mind w/o knowing relative performance between the competing products ? And his answer was Company A is faster than Company B now so the new stuff has to be faster still. So i asked "Are you sure ? Go to TPU site and check relative performance for each spplication you use." he did ... and now he wiped his parts list and will wait till TPU published performance reviews.

 

[Valinor]

i should of been more clear, i meant do you expect, the new ryzens to sell out on day 1 on amazon, not motherboards, anyways thx for the responses , my question was answered i didnt know about bios flashback