AMD's next-gen RDNA 2 rumor: 40-50% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

[GoldenX]

This is just an attempt to hyper drive the RDNA2 hype train. There was one for Navi, one for Vega, one for Polaris. Oh wait, there was almost one for every gen of RTG cards!

BuT vEgA iS nOt GcN!

 

[EarthDog]

I'll accept I'm optimistic.

Isn't it odd, with the same information (rumors) out there that two people can come up with nearly polar opposite opinions?

I don't think big Navi beats big Ampre. I think it gets close enough to be competitive for sure, however... which is all anyone asks. I don't believe it will win and use less power (one or the other). The hurdles there are too tall IMO.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Isn't it odd, with the same information (rumors) out there that two people can come up with nearly polar opposite opinions?

I don't think big Navi beats big Ampre. I think it gets close enough to be competitive for sure, however... which is all anyone asks. I don't believe it will win and use less power (one or the other). The hurdles there are too tall IMO.

Nah, AMD are at the start of a improvement curve, Nvidia at the end and it seams like a few decisions could go against Nvidia.

Regardless it's all rumours and waffles, I sure as shit wouldn't put a fiver on who will win, I'm that confident I'm right.

 

[EarthDog]

Nah, AMD are at the start of a improvement curve, Nvidia at the end and it seams like a few decisions could go against Nvidia.

Regardless it's all rumours and waffles, I sure as shit wouldn't put a fiver on who will win, I'm that confident I'm right.

I wouldn't bet on my thoughts being right either...

Seriously... how about a gentleman's bet? Maybe one of us have to wear an avatar of the other's choice for who is right or wrong? LOLOLOL. I think you'd look great in an "I Earthdog" custom avatar for a month.

EDIT: That said, I'm starting a scorched earth program here so, I doubt I'll be around long enough!

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I wouldn't bet on my thoughts being right either...

Seriously... how about a gentleman's bet? Maybe one of us have to wear an avatar of the other's choice for who is right or wrong? LOLOLOL. I think you'd look great in an "I Earthdog" custom avatar for a month.

EDIT: That said, I'm starting a scorched earth program here so, I doubt I'll be around long enough!

Shame, you do what you must.

You'd be missed.

I'll take that bet if it's for a week or month , eternity might be too much.

I may not always agree but respect was always present ,and I hope I didn't annoy you.
Never the intent.

 

[xkm1948]

theoneandonlymrk care to explain your "Nvidia bad decision" a bit more? Now I am curious.

 

[moproblems99]

Yeah that 12pin lark in the other thread is odd to say the least, interesting how it will play out.

I don't see why they would do it. No PSUs have it. Unless it is meant to adapt to 6 pins together....but we already have that!?

 

[trparky]

I'll believe it when I see it (the benchmarks, that is).

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

theoneandonlymrk care to explain your "Nvidia bad decision" a bit more? Now I am curious.

Trying to wring savings out of Tsmc, I don't think that's going to work in their favour, we will see.

 

[xkm1948]

ahhh i see. I thought something wrong with their uArc design

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

ahhh i see. I thought something wrong with their uArc design

No , it speaks for itself, it's selling well, but like I said tech progression curves are not on Nvidia's favour either, but obviously things are going to change with three to as many as five discrete GPU makers too, the future is looking absurdity unreadable ,I mean like in ten years the future not next two to three.

 

[Easo]

Sorry, but sounds too good to be true. Catching up to Nvidia alone would be an achievement for AMD, a start to crawl back. But this is just a fantasy, nothing more.

 

[moproblems99]

Sorry, but sounds too good to be true. Catching up to Nvidia alone would be an achievement for AMD, a start to crawl back. But this is just a fantasy, nothing more.

I think they end within 10-15% of Nvidia. Navi was like Zen and this is going to like Zen+. Maybe Zen 2 if we are lucky.

If we add and multiply rumors, Nvidia said Ampere was +50% over Turing. AMD says about 40% over 2080ti. Simple rumor math results in AMD ending up within about 10%.

 

[bug]

Sorry, but sounds too good to be true. Catching up to Nvidia alone would be an achievement for AMD, a start to crawl back. But this is just a fantasy, nothing more.

Well, 5700 has caught up so well with 2060, it's got it beat in both perf and perf/W. Sure, the 5700 doesn't do RTRT, but AMD catching up to Nvidia isn't so far fetched. I mean, I don't expect that from RDNA2, but I wouldn't be totally surprised if it happens.

 

[ARF]

If this becomes delivered as promised, I will try to get something with it, perhaps Navi 21.
The largest GPU and fastest graphics card.

 

[ARF]

AMD aims Big Navi launch for November as 'show of strength' for RDNA 2

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/7388...ovember-as-show-of-strength-rdna-2/index.html

AMD Big Navi GPU could launch alongside the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X in November

AMD Big Navi GPU could launch alongside the PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X in November

Would be a busy time for AMD

www.techradar.com

AMD’S ‘NVIDIA-KILLER’ BIG NAVI GPU IS NO NEXT-GEN XBOX, PS5 BUZZKILL

AMD’s ‘Nvidia-Killer’ Big Navi GPU is No Next-Gen Xbox, PS5 Buzzkill | CCN.com

www.ccn.com

 

[ARF]

AMD Radeon Instinct MI100 ‘CDNA GPU’ Alleged Performance Numbers Show Its Faster Than NVIDIA’s A100 in FP32 Compute, Impressive Perf/Value

AMD Radeon Instinct MI100 'CDNA GPU' Alleged Performance Numbers Show Its Faster Than NVIDIA's A100 in FP32 Compute, Impressive Perf/Value

Alleged performance numbers of AMD's next-genDNA GPU based Radeon Instinct MI100 have leaked out and its faster than NVIDIA's Ampere A100.

wccftech.com

NVIDIA RTX 3090 Will Allegedly Offer A Massive 50% Performance Increase

NVIDIA RTX 3090 Will Allegedly Offer A Massive 50% Performance Increase

We have a very quintessential rumor on the alleged performance of the RTX 3090 with us today. A couple of credible leakers on twitter have commented that the performance of the upcoming NVIDIA RTX 3090 is shaping up to be as much as a 50% increase over the RTX 2080 Ti. According to the same...

wccftech.com

Wccftech had an article some time ago about nVidia's new naming scheme. They speculated that if nVidia drops the Ti from its names, that means it loses this round.

 

[arbiter]

Just using AMD's history of "look how much better our gpu is over nvidia" then reviewers get their hands on it and its not. People should expect it flop from start. I remember one gpu AMD touted in their press conf to be like 10-20% faster then competing nvidia card. Then AMD released the settings in game they used and within hours reviewers tore their claims apart cause AMD turned off things in game that used ROPS and cranked everything up that used shaders so they end up having settings NO person would ever use to play a game. Looking at hype around these new cards and comparing it to hype of years past. Looking like another round of disappointment is abound.

On a side note wonder if AMD will come up with something to compete with NVenc that current nvidia cards have that make it a huge selling point for people looking for entry level HQ streaming.

 

[moproblems99]

Looking like another round of disappointment is abound.

Disappointment is mostly in the eye of the beholder. If they buy the train ticket, they're along for crash.

 

[fritolayduck]

Yup not one one time have I seen tax savings, when the govt decided to lower taxes, being passed on to the consumers. Same goes in any & every industry out there, let's just say capitalism, free markets & trickle down is overrated. Companies just increase their margins whenever they can, Intel only reduced their prices because they were forced (with declining sales) to & unless people shift to buying AMD en masse Nvidia will continue their trope & price Ampere to heavens this fall.

I'm not pointing this just at Nvidia users, I'm also one, it's the reality. The DIY market probably flipped towards majority(?) AMD even before zen2 launched, if Mindfactory numbers & Amazon bestsellers list is anything to go by. So the excuse that you need top performance to be able to lead a particular sector is just BS, having said that AMD right now probably covers only two thirds of the market & price range that Nvidia's selling into. They don't have a competitive sub $200 GPU & nothing above $800, would be interesting to see if non Nvidia fans choose AMD provided RDNA2 based GPU's are competitive across the board. You know put your $ where your mouth is?

NVIDIA is far ahead of AMD, there is no comparison, just look at the technologies, it must be bringing DLSS 3.0, there is still no reason to buy AMD.

Well, AMD really OC'd the crap out of the 5700XT, I guess it was their strategy to make some money after selling the Radeon VII at a loss.

If competition remains high, I imagine both AMD and Nvidia will leave less and less performance on the table, so we will see TDP's going higher and higher.
Personally I don't mind having a 350W card, I just need to read the reviews to make sure the cooling solution is adequate. In practice, I tend to restrict the TDP of my card depending on the game I play, with the option of having the full performance only for when it's truly needed.

The trend now is technologies via software like DLSS that will make the boards age better.

 

[Waldorf]

Well and how many times in the past 10y was an amd card supposed to be beating the crap out of an Nv card?
How many times did it actually happen?

Love how ppl want to see a price drop on certain cards. sure if its thru competition,
but why would a company lower their prices just because they were lower in the past?
Virtually everything costs more than the same item did 10 or 20y ago.
And if "you" cant buy a ti, guess what buy a xx80 or xx70, as with everything else you should buy with your wallet and brain,
not just "whats the top model...".
I mean no one goes to a dealership and says, "i want that +700 HP-2 door-RWD-super sports car for the price of your 4 door cookie box,
cause its way overpriced, compared to other cars/brands...."

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah maybe Nvidia don't want to disrupt 4K gaming, they want to blow it out of the frikin water.

Not at all, they want to drag it out as long as possible. That is why they introduced RT, to make even 1080p a renewed struggle.

 

[Vya Domus]

Well and how many times in the past 10y was an amd card supposed to be beating the crap out of an Nv card?

Can you tell me how many times AMD came out and told everyone "they're going to beat the crap out of Nvidia" or was it just that avid trolls and fanboys claimed such things ?

 

[Vayra86]

I think they end within 10-15% of Nvidia. Navi was like Zen and this is going to like Zen+. Maybe Zen 2 if we are lucky.

If we add and multiply rumors, Nvidia said Ampere was +50% over Turing. AMD says about 40% over 2080ti. Simple rumor math results in AMD ending up within about 10%.

Navi was like Zen? How? The only similarity is the node advantage, the technology is ancient at its core. It is in no way anything like Zen on an architectural level. It is not set to scale up, look at die size versus power draw. It also does not even remotely compare to Zen's position on the performance stack - Navi can barely catch up to upper midrange. RDNA2 might change those things but when I read they're already exploding the die size... not a good sign, even if you consider some 15-20% reserved for RT/increased shader sizes.

Navi 2 might be AMD's GPU Zen moment but its not a given, Ampere is still vague. And thén they will have to keep delivering. Navi 1 was not delivering. It was crawling out of the grave, and only barely. So far RDNA was only good for providing AMD with a competitive, good margin product in the midrange... when I hear that, I hear Polaris all over again, and Raja's echo of 'focus' when he launched RX480

Can you tell me how many times AMD came out and told everyone "they're going to beat the crap out of Nvidia" or was it just that avid trolls and fanboys claimed such things ?

You know they have an army of blind idiots for that, come on. If anything works in AMD's PR, it is their ability to mobilize them.

 

[Vya Domus]

Navi was like Zen? How? The only similarity is the node advantage, the technology is ancient at its core.

What ? How is it "ancient" ?