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NVIDIA to Acquire Arm for $40 Billion, Creating World's Premier Computing Company for the Age of AI

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I don't understand why Apple did not buy ARM, as Apple and nVidia do not get on, and nVidia will not make things easy for Apple going forward.

It would have been the same thing, both companies would have had a vested interest in hindering everyone else through this acquisition. Probably even more so Apple, who could have practically ended every other competitor in the snap of a finger by shutting down all licenses to them.
 
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I find it odd not more of you are very alarmed by this, this worries me quite a bit tbh.
We are just creating another monolith, this I doubt will be good for competition.
 
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It's in AMD's and Intel's best interest Nvidia to screw up the ARM platform, but I believe Nvidia learned it's lesson with PhysX. If you lock it, you strangle it and it dies.
 
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Hopper and future architectures [past Hopper] have been hinted by Nvidia to use ARM cores side-by-side with MCM GPU dies from as far back as 4 (maybe 5) years ago...
 
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I expect to have a family and a career in next couple of years. My gaming time is going to basically vanish, so I imagine this rtx 3080 and zen 3 build will be my last. I probably will never get to experience ARM cpu's

Dude just cause your going to have a job , kids & wife in the future doesn't mean you can't have hobbies !! Being an adult doesn't mean u can't have fun !! U just need to balance your adulting 70%-30% fun , I have a Lan party once year in my basement with the same group of guys from when we were 20. ( 2019 edition ended at 9am and 1.4 tb of games were downloaded ) We are all 40 now and have GFS , wives & kids we still upgrade , frag and drink mountain dew and eat cheap pizza just left often.
 
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Arm's value went up 8billion in only 4 years, nice. from such a small acorn has grown a massive and valued company. I'm glad Nvidia are keeping the main office in Cambridge where it all started. I wonder if the 6000ish employees get a bonus from this.

I have no problem with Nvidia acquiring Arm, imo it can only be a good thing for both Arm and Nvidia. be interesting to see what new stuff they can come up with between them.

In case you didn't know, Apple was one of the original members of the joint venture which formed Arm in 1990
 

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It's important to note that AMD Ryzen latest gen CPU's have 0 security issues to my knowledge, ARM, Intel, were both plagued by Meltdown and other security issues. So if I were a business, small or big, I would still be banking on AMD CPU's personally.
Yeah, exactly zero: https://download.vusec.net/papers/blindside_ccs20.pdf

More OT, I think the victim of this may be ARM's Mali. I wouldn't mind seeing it gone, I believe its drivers were never too appreciated.
 
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I'm expecting Adreno to be gone first and foremost, as why would Nvidia want to use an AMD derived graphics IP in their products?

Except that ARM GPUs are MALI and not Adreno which are Qualcomm... o_O

Nvidia will have nothing to say about Adreno.


edit: oops ... well i skipped a page ... and others also did point out that :oops: :D
 
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It would have been the same thing, both companies would have had a vested interest in hindering everyone else through this acquisition. Probably even more so Apple, who could have practically ended every other competitor in the snap of a finger by shutting down all licenses to them.

What kind of poor understanding of business and lack of general common sense is this? I'm sorry but, what? You think in some hypothetical that Apple could just swan over, buy ARM, then simply shut down all licences to their competitors??! Not only could they not do that, why in the world would they want to?

Time to escape from ARM, and flee to RISC-V!

Yes, if those with ARM licenses are threatened by Nvidia's buyout, they will start migrating on mass to RISC-V, which was already growing rapidly. Anyway, this deal could take 18 months and has a high chance of falling through.
 
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You think in some hypothetical that Apple could just swan over, buy ARM, then simply shut down all licences to their competitors??!

They probably wouldn't be allowed to buy them out for the exact reason that I described.

why in the world would they want to?

Oh, I don't know, maybe because every other competing manufacturer like Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei, etc that exists who makes mobile SoCs uses ARM ?
 
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No it's quite possible, Nvidia may force Geforce on other licensees.

realistically nvidia does not need to force people to use their geforce. just like many SoC maker end up defaulting their GPU of choice to Mali they might end up using defaulting their GPU to nvidia solution.
 

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They've highlight several advantages, but is it possible that this acquisition could be bad for competition? I thought I heard previously that the CEO, or someone otherwise higher up at ARM, mentioning that there could be a conflict of interest here, and that it could be a concern.
 

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They've highlight several advantages, but is it possible that this acquisition could be bad for competition? I thought I heard previously that the CEO, or someone otherwise higher up at ARM, mentioning that there could be a conflict of interest here, and that it could be a concern.
Unlikely. ARM wasn't building chips, so the move doesn't reduce the number of players in the market.
As long as Nvidia doesn't mess with licensing (why would they, that's ARM's bread and butter), they should be fine.
 
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This will be very bad for the industry. There are some very good reasons why nVidia is known to be hard to work with.

I don't understand why Apple did not buy ARM, as Apple and nVidia do not get on, and nVidia will not make things easy for Apple going forward. I wonder if Apple have some kind of protection from whatever happens to ARM?

apple already said their own reason for not wanting to get ARM for themselves mostly due to the tech itself is one of the key tech for their competitor. i know some people did not like nvidia to get ARM but between nvidia and apple it is better for ARM to go into nvidia hands. plus Softbank already tried looking around looking for buyer. Samsung says no. TSMC says no. Foxconn says no. and i think there is still others but all of them says no. only nvidia really have interest to buy ARM no matter how expensive it is. so here we are today.

If AMD didn't purchase ATi back then they would be gone today. Their custom SoC business (PS4, Xbox One) is what kept the company afloat in the Bulldozer days.

well this thing has been debated a lot. for example this can also happen: if AMD did not starve for cash after ATI buyout bulldozer might end up having much better design. back then i heard AMD rely a lot on automated design to save cost.
 
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They probably wouldn't be allowed to buy them out for the exact reason that I described.



Oh, I don't know, maybe because every other competing manufacturer like Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei, etc that exists who makes mobile SoCs uses ARM ?

ARM makes billions from those you mentioned, that's their business. If Nvidia acquire them (and it is not a foregone conclusion and will take a long time), they won't want to cut off that revenue even if they could, as it obviously then becomes their business. And those companies have legal documents assuring them supply for many years in any case, it's not possible to break these agreements.
 

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Why would adreno be gone? Adreno is owned by Qualcomm not ARM.
Sorry, you're correct, I had a brain fart :oops:
Mali would be gone though.

Except that ARM GPUs are MALI and not Adreno which are Qualcomm... o_O

Nvidia will have nothing to say about Adreno.


edit: oops ... well i skipped a page ... and others also did point out that :oops: :D
Yes, as above, brain fart.
 
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ITT: people saying RISC-V is the future now that Arm is "dead". That's about as likely as Arm CPUs becoming competitive with x86 (sorry, Geekbench of Apple A13 beating Intel CPUs doesn't mean shit).

What kind of poor understanding of business and lack of general common sense is this? I'm sorry but, what? You think in some hypothetical that Apple could just swan over, buy ARM, then simply shut down all licences to their competitors??! Not only could they not do that

Rich coming from someone accusing others of not understanding how business works.

why in the world would they want to?

Because Apple hates competition.
 
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ARM makes billions from those you mentioned, that's their business. If Nvidia acquire them (and it is not a foregone conclusion and will take a long time), they won't want to cut off that revenue even if they could, as it obviously then becomes their business.

You were responding about what I said Apple would be inclined to do, not Nvidia.

And those companies have legal documents assuring them supply for many years in any case, it's not possible to break these agreements.

No such thing exists, ARM doesn't manufacture anything, there is no supply to speak of. ARM mostly sells licenses to manufactures so that they can build certain designs, when those contracts stop even if you can continue building them forever you are stuck with those old technologies. It's not hard to see why all of these companies would fall behind as soon as that would happen.

Not to mention that without at least the license to use the ARM ISA all of the existing infrastructure becomes off limits to you as your hardware becomes incompatible with all existing software.
 

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They'll design an arm core specifically for HPC use, to compete with AMD and Intel.
Next thing is using their sh!tload of money to port as much x86 software as they can to arm and by owning Mellanox they can offer complete servers with CPU, GPU, interconnect, networking and software stack as fully fledged packages...

Regarding Mali, they will gut all the good parts the uarch has to offer, integrate it into their own and then offer Geforce cores as the default GPU IP for arm designs.
 
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While they are using their own designs, the base instruction set is still ARM based and Apple is required to license it. NVidia might increase the pricing for Apple or deny them a license outright. Apple is not in a favorable position ATM.
Apple doesn't own any hardware capabilities, so it might become really hard for them to do things, especially since they've burned so many bridges with Intel and AMD and they are only left with arm. If Nvidia increases licensee fees it could spell trouble for Apple.

Between ARM, Intel and AMD the trio control over 90% of CPU patents, with IBM probably controlling another 5% and 5% from various other sources.
 
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Ngreedia owning ARM is not good for anyone but Ngreedia, hopefully government regulators find a legal way to axe this deal.
 
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