• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

AMD Launches AMD Ryzen 5000 Series Desktop Processors: The Fastest Gaming CPUs in the World

Joined
Feb 3, 2017
Messages
3,481 (1.32/day)
Processor R5 5600X
Motherboard ASUS ROG STRIX B550-I GAMING
Cooling Alpenföhn Black Ridge
Memory 2*16GB DDR4-2666 VLP @3800
Video Card(s) EVGA Geforce RTX 3080 XC3
Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB Intel 660p
Display(s) ASUS PG279Q, Eizo EV2736W
Case Dan Cases A4-SFX
Power Supply Corsair SF600
Mouse Corsair Ironclaw Wireless RGB
Keyboard Corsair K60
VR HMD HTC Vive
And this is different from AMD how? You gonna run Zen 3 on a B350, after all it is an AM4 socket? For that matter, B450 is a dicey proposition and depends on the motherboard manufacturer. At least with Intel, you cannot insert the chip into a motherboard with a completely incompatible chipset.
It is completely compatible. Support is an artificial limitation. 300 and 400 series chipsets are almost identical.
 
Joined
Feb 21, 2006
Messages
1,977 (0.30/day)
Location
Toronto, Ontario
System Name The Expanse
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Motherboard Asus Prime X570-Pro BIOS 5003 AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.B
Cooling Corsair H150i Pro
Memory 32GB GSkill Trident RGB DDR4-3200 14-14-14-34-1T (B-Die)
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX 24GB (24.3.1)
Storage WD SN850X 2TB / Corsair MP600 1TB / Samsung 860Evo 1TB x2 Raid 0 / Asus NAS AS1004T V2 14TB
Display(s) LG 34GP83A-B 34 Inch 21: 9 UltraGear Curved QHD (3440 x 1440) 1ms Nano IPS 160Hz
Case Fractal Design Meshify S2
Audio Device(s) Creative X-Fi + Logitech Z-5500 + HS80 Wireless
Power Supply Corsair AX850 Titanium
Mouse Corsair Dark Core RGB SE
Keyboard Corsair K100
Software Windows 10 Pro x64 22H2
Benchmark Scores 3800X https://valid.x86.fr/1zr4a5 5800X https://valid.x86.fr/2dey9c
Joined
Feb 3, 2017
Messages
3,481 (1.32/day)
Processor R5 5600X
Motherboard ASUS ROG STRIX B550-I GAMING
Cooling Alpenföhn Black Ridge
Memory 2*16GB DDR4-2666 VLP @3800
Video Card(s) EVGA Geforce RTX 3080 XC3
Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB Intel 660p
Display(s) ASUS PG279Q, Eizo EV2736W
Case Dan Cases A4-SFX
Power Supply Corsair SF600
Mouse Corsair Ironclaw Wireless RGB
Keyboard Corsair K60
VR HMD HTC Vive
Except for the size of the bios chips.
This entire AM4 BIOS size thing is not as simple as different BIOS chip size. There are a lot of 400-series motherboards with 128Gb/16GB BIOS chips. Hell, there are 500-series boards with 128Gb/16GB BIOS chips (Gigabyte boards mainly if I remember correctly). At Zen2 launch there were some more technical details revealed that claimed issue is with how older AM4 CPUs are able to read only 16GB of BIOS. Workarounds exist but these are not exactly fun.

There are different BIOSes and some (software/firmware) feature differences but 300 and 400 series chipsets themselves are basically identical.

I have a good enough B450 board that I would really like to get a Ryzen 5000 for but I am not holding my breath and January or after does not sound too encouraging.
 
Joined
Mar 18, 2015
Messages
2,960 (0.89/day)
Location
Long Island
This is like reading press releases from white house press office .....


1. After weeks of complaining from AMD fans about launches that are not launchers because most vendors are out of stock, now suddenly a product announce,ents is a "release" with NDAs sill in effect and not a single product sold.

2. When ya read a sentence, all the words count ....

Average of 7% faster in 1080p gaming across ****select**** game titles than the competition

And if we let Intel ***select*** the games, is that going to hold ?

3. Will the argument still be "bang for the buck".... or what's the value of the $799 5950 CPU versus the $180 10400F ?
I'm gonna wait till the game is played (TPU Reviews) before declaring the winner.
 
Joined
Sep 11, 2015
Messages
624 (0.20/day)
AMD fans never fail to disappoint with double standards. Intel and NVIDIA have always been "evil" but once AMD does that, suddenly it's perfectly fine because they just follow suit.
What are you even talking about? It was never about the pricing. Intel was stifling innovation for years and giving us 5% performance increases with the same 4 cores year after year because they knew they could get away with it. How is this the same as what AMD is doing at the moment? We're seeing core counts literally explode with still good single core performance gains. The price was never the issue with Intel, so don't pull that straw man. It's about how they could never justify the price in any way. AMD is doing literally the opposite right now. I'll take my 12 cores instead of 4, thank you. With just Intel, we would still have 4.
 
Joined
Nov 4, 2005
Messages
11,674 (1.73/day)
System Name Compy 386
Processor 7800X3D
Motherboard Asus
Cooling Air for now.....
Memory 64 GB DDR5 6400Mhz
Video Card(s) 7900XTX 310 Merc
Storage Samsung 990 2TB, 2 SP 2TB SSDs and over 10TB spinning
Display(s) 56" Samsung 4K HDR
Audio Device(s) ATI HDMI
Mouse Logitech MX518
Keyboard Razer
Software A lot.
Benchmark Scores Its fast. Enough.
I'm waiting for actual independent tests, but considering AMD and Su have been honest about performance, and they literally fixed (if they are to be believed) the latency issue with caches, meaning IPC must increase.
 
Joined
Oct 22, 2014
Messages
13,210 (3.81/day)
Location
Sunshine Coast
System Name Black Box
Processor Intel Xeon E3-1260L v5
Motherboard MSI E3 KRAIT Gaming v5
Cooling Tt tower + 120mm Tt fan
Memory G.Skill 16GB 3600 C18
Video Card(s) Asus GTX 970 Mini
Storage Kingston A2000 512Gb NVME
Display(s) AOC 24" Freesync 1m.s. 75Hz
Case Corsair 450D High Air Flow.
Audio Device(s) No need.
Power Supply FSP Aurum 650W
Mouse Yes
Keyboard Of course
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
Something I noted is that Boost speed and core count is inverse compared to the competitors approach of higher core count lower speeds.
 
Joined
Jun 3, 2010
Messages
2,540 (0.50/day)
Something I noted is that Boost speed and core count is inverse compared to the competitors approach of higher core count lower speeds.
They take a higher bin die and that extends the range to which the cpu can stretch its limits within the unit boundaries. Happened with bulldozer, too. 8370e was better than 9590 since it wasn't leaky and all it took for the user was to keep temperatures in check. Higher bins are higher resisting cpus. What is essentially a good iron press isn't necessarily a good soldering iron and visa versa.
 
Last edited:

CubanB

New Member
Joined
May 27, 2020
Messages
20 (0.01/day)
Predictably, they've increased IPC and reduced latency enough to compete with Intel at their strongest point, gaming at 1080p (or older single core apps). There might be some exceptions in terms of specific software, there always will be. Generally, I do trust the benchmark graphs and expect the reviews on launch night to be impressive. The price is a little high, but one can always wait. That also helps with getting a better bin. There won't be much OC headroom but a better bin means lower voltage, lower temps, less fan noise.

I would have preferred they treat the motherboards and BIOS the same way they did Zen 2. There's no real reason why they couldn't have. Like some others have hinted above, the whole thing in the last six months has been contrived. 16MB vs 32MB BIOS chips etc. It's an artificial limitation. There's plenty ways to make it work and a couple X370 boards that are just as good as X470 boards if not better. I guess we should be thankful that they are allowing this at all, because Intel wouldn't be. AMD is still way more on the "pro consumer" side of things, although this is slowly starting to shift now. All CPU's are still unlocked and all motherboards are unlocked. Anyways, a lot of it is in the board makers hands, and they all compete with each other (for the best reputations of support). It's in their best interest, that if one board maker does a good job, they all have to. So let's see what happens. The motherboard side of things has been a bit of a mess in the last 18 months.. chipset fans, B550 released 12 months later (and in some cases being better than X570). Apparently ASUS are releasing a new X570 board (a premium board) without a chipset fan, so there you go. But the X570 chipset silicon itself is inefficient (idle wattage), and it won't be fixed until the switch to AM5 and DDR5. As there will be no X670.

Anyways, the good thing is the IO die is the same. The CPU mostly runs the same, it's only the core chiplets themselves that are new, so in terms of BIOS and overclocking and motherboards and the like.. it should be a pretty smooth transition into a 5000 series CPU. There's further optimizations in terms of controlling or customizing how the cores behave from the BIOS. More expensive prices.. but also the best CPU's that AMD have ever made. Energy effeciency, multi core, single core.. everything. It's possible that the RAM latency (measured in AIDA) will still be higher than Intel, but the way the cache is now structured.. it seems like it won't make much difference. And the CPU's will have enough raw performance to compensate for this. The single core score in Cinebench is super impressive. The fact that these CPU's have this level of performance with 16 cores is super impressive. The energy efficiency and power consumption, also very impressive. The lower clock speeds (vs 5.2 Ghz) are actually an advantage in some ways.. in terms of equal or better performance with less wattage/heat/noise. I was a little worried that the power consumption would go up (like it did from 1700X to 2700X) but apparently, it's fine.

The prices are a little high for my liking, especially internationally, when you add GST on top of it.. but this is AMD making a statement. "We are premium now.. we are Intel, we are NVIDIA" etc. Budget versions like 5700X or 5600 (non X) will be available later on. And the future is bright as well, the 2nd or 3rd iteration of CPU on the new AM5 platform, once DDR5 has had a chance to be optimized and is a bit cheaper (with high performance speeds).. is going to be super fast. If the software can catch up.. being coded to take advantage of super fast nvme, plus lots of cores.. and RAM that has VRAM speeds, it's almost like a new world of computing is starting to open up.
 
Joined
Sep 3, 2019
Messages
2,978 (1.77/day)
Location
Thessaloniki, Greece
System Name PC on since Aug 2019, 1st CPU R5 3600 + ASUS ROG RX580 8GB >> MSI Gaming X RX5700XT (Jan 2020)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X (July 2022), 150W PPT limit, 79C temp limit, CO -9~14
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro (Rev1.0), BIOS F37h, AGESA V2 1.2.0.B
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm Rev7 with off center mount for Ryzen, TIM: Kryonaut
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo GTZN (July 2022) 3600MHz 1.42V CL16-16-16-16-32-48 1T, tRFC:288, B-die
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX (Dec 2023) 314~465W (387W current) PowerLimit, 1060mV, Adrenalin v24.3.1
Storage Samsung NVMe: 980Pro 1TB(OS 2022), 970Pro 512GB(2019) / SATA-III: 850Pro 1TB(2015) 860Evo 1TB(2020)
Display(s) Dell Alienware AW3423DW 34" QD-OLED curved (1800R), 3440x1440 144Hz (max 175Hz) HDR1000
Case None... naked on desk
Audio Device(s) Astro A50 headset
Power Supply Corsair HX750i, 80+ Platinum, 93% (250~700W), modular, single/dual rail (switch)
Mouse Logitech MX Master (Gen1)
Keyboard Logitech G15 (Gen2) w/ LCDSirReal applet
Software Windows 11 Home 64bit (v23H2, OSB 22631.3155)
This is like reading press releases from white house press office .....


1. After weeks of complaining from AMD fans about launches that are not launchers because most vendors are out of stock, now suddenly a product announce,ents is a "release" with NDAs sill in effect and not a single product sold.

2. When ya read a sentence, all the words count ....

Average of 7% faster in 1080p gaming across ****select**** game titles than the competition

And if we let Intel ***select*** the games, is that going to hold ?

3. Will the argument still be "bang for the buck".... or what's the value of the $799 5950 CPU versus the $180 10400F ?
I'm gonna wait till the game is played (TPU Reviews) before declaring the winner.
I believe ZEN3 event was a product announcement and not a launch. Nov5 is the launch.
If I misunderstood your statement and you were trying to say something else I’m sorry.

As for the “selected” games a lot of people saying that AMD deliberately picked games (some of them) that “traditionally” was not doing well as opposed to Intel. They even show a loosing-to-Intel one.

The value of these 4 CPUs can be a subjective matter. Don’t forget that these are only the high binned X SKUs. It could be the case that yields are so good now on the mature 7nm node that most of the chiplets are higher binned than previous gen, and so the don’t have enough low binned chips to launch the nonX along with the others. And they still have available ZEN2. Users should wait and not buy them if the don’t see value on them.

On the other hand some others may see value on them.
For instance the 6core/12threaded 300$ 5600X according to IPC claims, speed and performance/watt improvements, will probably be faster in ST/gaming from the higher ZEN2 and faster or equal in all-core loads from the 8core/16threaded 3700X. If that turns out to be the case, the 5600X has more value than the 3700X ever had. And it’s 30$ less MSRP from 3700X with gaming perf higher than a 700$ ZEN2. Is that something or what?
 
Joined
Aug 6, 2009
Messages
1,162 (0.22/day)
Location
Chicago, Illinois
What are you even talking about? It was never about the pricing. Intel was stifling innovation for years and giving us 5% performance increases with the same 4 cores year after year because they knew they could get away with it. How is this the same as what AMD is doing at the moment? We're seeing core counts literally explode with still good single core performance gains. The price was never the issue with Intel, so don't pull that straw man. It's about how they could never justify the price in any way. AMD is doing literally the opposite right now. I'll take my 12 cores instead of 4, thank you. With just Intel, we would still have 4.

The difference is that AMD had no choice. They were struggling to be competitive. AMD is to blame as much as Intel. If your goal is to be the best and you become the best do think you'd just keep getting better and better without any competition whatsoever? I think that's what Intel's thought process was . Their problem was that they got too comfortable and now they're in a bad spot. The story of the tortoise and the hair is a perfect example of what has happened here between Intel and AMD.
 

CubanB

New Member
Joined
May 27, 2020
Messages
20 (0.01/day)
Intel got themselves into a situation where they continued to milk the cow of their previous success and dominance.. but the problem is.. it sort of set them up for a dead end. They got stuck.

They continued on the 14nm process.. iteration after iteration, and they refined it REALLY well, but the problem is.. if they go down to a lower nm process 10nm or lower.. the clock speed of the new CPU will be less. The performance in gaming at 1080p would be less. You can't release a new CPU if it has LESS performance than the previous CPU. Right? They focussed on a priority that would continue to give them an advantage in the short term, but hold them back from moving forward.

If your main advantage is gaming at 1080p? And your new CPU has LESS performance. No one would want to buy it. Especially if you charge high prices. They had refined the 14nm process so much to the extent that it can clock over 5Ghz. Any new process (10nm) would clock lower than that on it's first release. It might take a year or two until you can refine the new node to produce higher clock speeds to compete with the refined node of the previous generation. But clock speeds are their biggest advantage? See the problem?

There needed to be better future planning and forethought. Innovating, rather than complacency. They left themselves vulnerable, and created a situation where they are better off staying where they are.. in the short term, but in the long term it's a dead end and creates future pain. There needs to be some short term pain and some refining until they can recover. They can recover eventually, but there needs to be a change to their approach. A more thought out approach, thinking less about the past and more about the future.

The competititon has caught them out and exposed them, where as in GPU terms.. NVIDIA is staying ahead of the game and aren't being caught out in the same way. AMD might catch up to NVIDIA, but they aren't letting them get ahead.. because they are continuing to push forwards.
 
Joined
Sep 3, 2019
Messages
2,978 (1.77/day)
Location
Thessaloniki, Greece
System Name PC on since Aug 2019, 1st CPU R5 3600 + ASUS ROG RX580 8GB >> MSI Gaming X RX5700XT (Jan 2020)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X (July 2022), 150W PPT limit, 79C temp limit, CO -9~14
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro (Rev1.0), BIOS F37h, AGESA V2 1.2.0.B
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm Rev7 with off center mount for Ryzen, TIM: Kryonaut
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo GTZN (July 2022) 3600MHz 1.42V CL16-16-16-16-32-48 1T, tRFC:288, B-die
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX (Dec 2023) 314~465W (387W current) PowerLimit, 1060mV, Adrenalin v24.3.1
Storage Samsung NVMe: 980Pro 1TB(OS 2022), 970Pro 512GB(2019) / SATA-III: 850Pro 1TB(2015) 860Evo 1TB(2020)
Display(s) Dell Alienware AW3423DW 34" QD-OLED curved (1800R), 3440x1440 144Hz (max 175Hz) HDR1000
Case None... naked on desk
Audio Device(s) Astro A50 headset
Power Supply Corsair HX750i, 80+ Platinum, 93% (250~700W), modular, single/dual rail (switch)
Mouse Logitech MX Master (Gen1)
Keyboard Logitech G15 (Gen2) w/ LCDSirReal applet
Software Windows 11 Home 64bit (v23H2, OSB 22631.3155)
Intel got themselves into a situation where they continued to milk the cow of their previous success and dominance.. but the problem is.. it sort of set them up for a dead end. They got stuck.

They continued on the 14nm process.. iteration after iteration, and they refined it REALLY well, but the problem is.. if they go down to a lower nm process 10nm or lower.. the clock speed of the new CPU will be less. The performance in gaming at 1080p would be less. You can't release a new CPU if it has LESS performance than the previous CPU. Right? They focussed on a priority that would continue to give them an advantage in the short term, but hold them back from moving forward.

If your main advantage is gaming at 1080p? And your new CPU has LESS performance. No one would want to buy it. Especially if you charge high prices. They had refined the 14nm process so much to the extent that it can clock over 5Ghz. Any new process (10nm) would clock lower than that on it's first release. It might take a year or two until you can refine the new node to produce higher clock speeds to compete with the refined node of the previous generation. But clock speeds are their biggest advantage? See the problem?

There needed to be better future planning and forethought. Innovating, rather than complacency. They left themselves vulnerable, and created a situation where they are better off staying where they are.. in the short term, but in the long term it's a dead end and creates future pain. There needs to be some short term pain and some refining until they can recover. They can recover eventually, but there needs to be a change to their approach. A more thought out approach, thinking less about the past and more about the future.

The competititon has caught them out and exposed them, where as in GPU terms.. NVIDIA is staying ahead of the game and aren't being caught out in the same way. AMD might catch up to NVIDIA, but they aren't letting them get ahead.. because they are continuing to push forwards.
I can agree with the general idea or the post, about Intel and nVidia.
One thing though. Yes shrinking nodes does prevent high clocks for starters. But, engineers can do wonders. If they come up with a really nice architecture with a nice uplift of IPC and performance/watt, loosing 200~400MHz of clock would be less significant. Sure, the more they delay the more difficult will be to catch up, and to be honest so far they're not too far behind in performance. In performance/watt its a very different story and thats the node to blame.
They want to think ahead but they cant when stuck on the same node for ages. Probably they were preparing architecture(s) for 10nm but the node gone all wrong and when they realize it, time has passed and they needed to reschedule for 14nm... again. They were preparing 10nm fabs and then they were forced to turn them back to 14nm. Its a mess.
Seems like they will not get out of this any time soon... before 2022-23, and AMD has build up momentum (see 5nm and ZEN4/5).

To be honest, that is not good for us as users. Not good at all!
 
Joined
Jan 27, 2015
Messages
1,645 (0.49/day)
System Name Legion
Processor i7-12700KF
Motherboard Asus Z690-Plus TUF Gaming WiFi D5
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO
Memory PNY MAKO DDR5-6000 C36-36-36-76
Video Card(s) PowerColor Hellhound 6700 XT 12GB
Storage WD SN770 512GB m.2, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 2TB
Display(s) Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440
Case Montech Air X
Power Supply Corsair CX750M
Mouse Logitech MX Anywhere 25
Keyboard Logitech MX Keys
Software Lots
Joined
Feb 3, 2017
Messages
3,481 (1.32/day)
Processor R5 5600X
Motherboard ASUS ROG STRIX B550-I GAMING
Cooling Alpenföhn Black Ridge
Memory 2*16GB DDR4-2666 VLP @3800
Video Card(s) EVGA Geforce RTX 3080 XC3
Storage 1TB Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB Intel 660p
Display(s) ASUS PG279Q, Eizo EV2736W
Case Dan Cases A4-SFX
Power Supply Corsair SF600
Mouse Corsair Ironclaw Wireless RGB
Keyboard Corsair K60
VR HMD HTC Vive
Joined
May 31, 2016
Messages
4,324 (1.50/day)
Location
Currently Norway
System Name Bro2
Processor Ryzen 5800X
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite
Cooling Corsair h115i pro rgb
Memory 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16
Video Card(s) Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz
Storage M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB
Display(s) LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950
Case Fractal Design G
Audio Device(s) Realtec 5.1
Power Supply Seasonic 750W GOLD
Mouse Logitech G402
Keyboard Logitech slim
Software Windows 10 64 bit
The difference is that AMD had no choice. They were struggling to be competitive. AMD is to blame as much as Intel. If your goal is to be the best and you become the best do think you'd just keep getting better and better without any competition whatsoever? I think that's what Intel's thought process was . Their problem was that they got too comfortable and now they're in a bad spot. The story of the tortoise and the hair is a perfect example of what has happened here between Intel and AMD.
Oh the story, what happened between Intel and AMD, reach far into the history my friend than just recent events. If you are a dominant company you want it to stay that way. If you don't innovate and you refurbish old tech you get loads of money. If you think that Intel bring something spectacular to the table then you are mistaken. After AMD hit it hard with the core and close enough performance, Intel started to do something but that doesn't mean you don't need to innovate.
I think you are wrong. The innovation is not about competition but the attitude and/or stand the company has. That is why a lot of people hate Intel for this. Instead of innovating they were selling same refurbished processors over and over just to get money.
 
Joined
Sep 3, 2019
Messages
2,978 (1.77/day)
Location
Thessaloniki, Greece
System Name PC on since Aug 2019, 1st CPU R5 3600 + ASUS ROG RX580 8GB >> MSI Gaming X RX5700XT (Jan 2020)
Processor Ryzen 9 5900X (July 2022), 150W PPT limit, 79C temp limit, CO -9~14
Motherboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro (Rev1.0), BIOS F37h, AGESA V2 1.2.0.B
Cooling Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420mm Rev7 with off center mount for Ryzen, TIM: Kryonaut
Memory 2x16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo GTZN (July 2022) 3600MHz 1.42V CL16-16-16-16-32-48 1T, tRFC:288, B-die
Video Card(s) Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX (Dec 2023) 314~465W (387W current) PowerLimit, 1060mV, Adrenalin v24.3.1
Storage Samsung NVMe: 980Pro 1TB(OS 2022), 970Pro 512GB(2019) / SATA-III: 850Pro 1TB(2015) 860Evo 1TB(2020)
Display(s) Dell Alienware AW3423DW 34" QD-OLED curved (1800R), 3440x1440 144Hz (max 175Hz) HDR1000
Case None... naked on desk
Audio Device(s) Astro A50 headset
Power Supply Corsair HX750i, 80+ Platinum, 93% (250~700W), modular, single/dual rail (switch)
Mouse Logitech MX Master (Gen1)
Keyboard Logitech G15 (Gen2) w/ LCDSirReal applet
Software Windows 11 Home 64bit (v23H2, OSB 22631.3155)
Oh the story, what happened between Intel and AMD, reach far into the history my friend than just recent events. If you are a dominant company you want it to stay that way. If you don't innovate and you refurbish old tech you get loads of money. If you think that Intel bring something spectacular to the table then you are mistaken. After AMD hit it hard with the core and close enough performance, Intel started to do something but that doesn't mean you don't need to innovate.
I think you are wrong. The innovation is not about competition but the attitude and/or stand the company has. That is why a lot of people hate Intel for this. Instead of innovating they were selling same refurbished processors over and over just to get money.
I agree with the general idea.
Intel kept refurbishing CPUs but that mindset has changed after ZEN era. What happened to Intel is that they failed to refine 10nm node. I don’t know what exactly happened... they were too late to pick up? ...they have internal management issues? or what else...

The bottom line is that they now stuck at 14nm node... The upcoming 11th gen with (at last) new architecture was meant to be on 10nm and they forced to import it back to 14nm. They even had prepared 10nm fabs and then also forced to convert them back to 14nm.

It’s a mess...
 
Top