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There was a thread of someone seeking help with their G-Sync setup acting worse after a GPU upgrade. The person was ultimately told if they didn't like the advice or are questioning it than they need to "gtfo". Not cool.. what ultimately fixed their problem was an older driver.

The incorrect and flat out bad advice about proper G-Sync was

#1 - "Turn off G-Sync or VRR, you don't need it since you get over 100fps. Run at maximum supported refresh rate of the monitor and lock the fps for comfort" (to what? For comfort?) Result was nasty tearing constantly.

#2 - Fast Sync (user wasn't getting that high of fps for this to be viable, bad advice again) User made a statement about how it was working before but was told to try the above settings and the advisors patience runs out quickly.. seriously.. testing your patience?...

#3 - User was told they were dumb and the advice had already been given and to "gtfo" then mocked.

Some incorrect information about VRR and v sync was also posted

"If you have both V-sync and G-sync and a frame limit below the refresh rate of your monitor when the game runs below the limit G-sync becomes active, when it's reaching the frame limit it's disengaged and V-sync becomes active and you'll get input lag, since your game probably always runs above 140 FPS it's always running as if V-sync is on."

This is all wrong, in this situation G-Sync would constantly be active as well as V-Sync. Neither of them are disengaging and they are actually working together. The monitor is fluctuating with the game and V-Sync is fluctuating with the monitor, its perfectly fine and tear free.

Eventually the thread was locked for calling out the advisor on false information and a bad attitude. The bad attitude then mocked again about how the user created their own problems and good luck fixing it. The user ultimately fixed it themselves with a driver roll back.


Please, when giving forum advice get off your high horse and stop acting like a smartass, you don't know EVERYTHING and you just look like a silly little prick when giving bad advice and false information then telling them to gtfo. Have a little patience and humility please.
 
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I'd like to see this thread where someone was told to 'gtfo'.
 
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Did some searches , "Turn off G-Sync or VRR" and " lock the fps for comfort"

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I'll take that criticism @Upgrayedd . Point taken.

At the same time... surely you too have noticed how every few days a new topic with similar stuff pops up. This is the odd one out, usually this really is a PEBKAC situation.

I'm not always right. I admit that I was wrong here. And that I'm an ass sometimes ;)
 
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Im not going to name anyone. It's unnecessary. You'll find it if you keep looking. The point is, please be kind.
 
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Hi,
Newest driver is hardly ever the best driver.
 
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Found the thread in question. It's quite a bit of reading; I didn't have the time.
Basically everyone seems to be arguing with everyone else.
 
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Found the thread in question. It's quite a bit of reading; I didn't have the time.
Basically everyone seems to be arguing with everyone else.
Hi,
Pretty much how every thread ends up lol
 
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I'll take that criticism @Upgrayedd . Point taken.

At the same time... surely you too have noticed how every few days a new topic with similar stuff pops up. This is the odd one out, usually this really is a PEBKAC situation.

I'm not always right. I admit that I was wrong here. And that I'm an ass sometimes ;)
Say they had a proper driver, the advice was still wrong about VRR. The pebkac insult is part if that dumber than me attitude btw.
 
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Say they had a proper driver, the advice was still wrong about VRR. The pebkac insult is part if that dumber than me attitude btw.
One does not exclude the other though. You're right. I was wrong. But that does not eliminate the rest of the observations at all and its still good to keep users with questions close to the solutions we present. Too many topics go in circles and end up nowhere if you don't. And too many people try and do things that are completely not logical. Its a hard balance to keep and its easy to either miss information or just not know the whole story.

The fact stands, still, that in the regular setup that whole unholy combination of Frame limit and Gsync is simply not recommended or even required. Cán it work fine? Possibly? But it generally isn't recommended and the OP had a problem. I cba to go back to the topic at length, but I think the gist of it all was: go back to basics, check what's changed since the issue occurs, and build up part by part.

Bottom line, its not always quite so clear what we're really looking at, and yes, years on the internet do change the way we approach things. You did set me right - its not helpful to have the attitude I presented in that topic. But 'bad advice'... that's a lot less black & white than you present it here.

In the end it is this sort of friction between ideas that makes us learn a bit. I learned a bit here. Thanks for that (honestly!). Another question we might ask ourselves in a broader sense is why we end up having several pages of discussion about something as simple as a driver rollback. Our analysis skills seem to be lacking :) And that's not just me. We all suffer a bit from jumping to conclusions I think.

Perhaps a key learning point here is: 'ask more questions'.


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I'd like to see this thread where someone was told to 'gtfo'.
 
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The person was ultimately told if they didn't like the advice or are questioning it than they need to "gtfo".

That is not what they were told. Vayra, Vya, and toothless all tried to help out the OP and he swiped all their suggestions to the side and even stated "but I don’t think you are as well versed on the subject of gsync as you think you are. You are sprouting of a bunch of myths." to Vya. I'll vouch for all three of those guys knowledge as I've read many of their posts over the years and I respect all their opinions. Did vayra get a little crass? Sure. Did the OP deserve a response like that? Maybe, worded gentler but still in the same essence and I'd be hypocritically of Vayra if I said I've not made similar comments myself (although never said GTFO). I have no real issue with his comment or any of their behavior towards the OP.
 
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I'm re reading a bit of that topic now... they were already on the driver train but nowhere did they say they completely fixed their issue. It got 'a bit fixed' or there was less jitter apparently...

That kinda puts a question mark to the conclusion in the OP of bad advice tbh.

@Upgrayedd can you elaborate a bit on how you came to pick out that bit of the topic? There's not much input there beyond telling them to go back to basics - and remove the frame limiter.

Scratch that given the below message. This is fine, I still take your point about tone of voice on board.
 
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This is not the place to resurrect an older thread (in a new one) to start some sort of blame game.

Please, all, don't embellish opinions and bias to rekindle an old fire. I've asked for thread to be locked. It has no practical value, and worse, in today's web climate, it will just agitate others.
 
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