• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Panasonic Introduces TOUGHBOOK S1 - the Ultimate Rugged Android Tablet

AleksandarK

News Editor
Staff member
Joined
Aug 19, 2017
Messages
2,231 (0.91/day)
Panasonic today introduced the TOUGHBOOK S1 tablet - the ultimate rugged Android tablet for the truly mobile worker. This 7 inch screen device is easy to use in one hand, adaptable for a variety of tasks yet powerful and tough enough to cope with the busiest shift. It's at its best when in the hands of security and police forces patrolling the streets, technicians monitoring production lines, field services engineers carrying out inspections and maintenance or construction workers on site.

"The modern mobile worker deserves a mobile computing device designed for their everyday needs - not just another consumer tablet in a hardcase with all the potential problems they bring," said Baris Koc, European Product Manager for rugged mobile IT at Panasonic. "The TOUGHBOOK S1 is that professional mobile workforce device. It's built without compromise to meet the very specific and practical everyday needs of both the users and the IT administrators deploying and maintaining them."



The TOUGHBOOK S1 tablet is ergonomically designed and lightweight (426 g) and with or without a handstrap it fits conveniently and comfortably in one-hand for use over long periods of time. Even in all weather conditions, the outdoor readable display is easy to use with a market-leading brightness of up to 500 cd/m² and enhanced anti-reflection technology ensuring clarity in the brightest sunlight. Rainy days and the need to remove safety gloves are also operational problems of the past when working with the TOUGHBOOK S1 tablet because of its effective rain-mode and glove-enabled touch screen. For those needing to capture signatures or complete reports or forms, the optional stylus pen is accurate and easy to use.

The device is flexible for the different needs of mobile workers and can be optionally equipped using its configurable gadget port offering combinations of bar code reader or additional USB port. A 13MP rear camera with flashlight and a front 5MP camera are ideal for capturing images to attach to reports and for video conference calls with colleagues.

To ensure the rugged tablet can work as long as any shift, it is equipped with a simple click and switch design for warm swapping batteries. It takes away the need to interrupt work, power down the device or remove fiddly panels to change batteries. With two options of battery size, the device can operate for up to 14 hours on a single charge.

Powerful enough to handle the application needs of any mobile worker, the device uses the Android 10 operating system and is equipped with a Qualcomm SDM660 Octa-Core CPU and 4 GB of RAM memory and 64 GB of storage.

Despite its ergonomic and lightweight design the tablet has all the protection expected of a fully rugged TOUGHBOOK device with a dust and water rating of IP65/67, MIL-STD-810H certification and tested to withstand drops of up to 150 cm onto concrete. For effective utilisation of accessories, the TOUGHBOOK S1 tablet shares elements of the TOUGHBOOK L1 and A3 Android tablet ecosystem, such as batteries, cradles, docks and stylus pens.

For ease of management and administrative peace of mind, the TOUGHBOOK S1 tablet is Android Enterprise-ready and comes bundled with the Panasonic COMPASS suite of Enterprise Management tools. The Complete Android Services and Security package offers everything a business needs to configure, deploy and manage its Panasonic rugged Android devices securely.

The TOUGHBOOK S1 tablet comes with a standard 3 year warranty and is available immediately. Prices start from €1,110 / £1,004 + VAT. For more information visit www.toughbook.eu.

View at TechPowerUp Main Site
 
Joined
Apr 24, 2020
Messages
2,562 (1.75/day)
android 10. 1100 euro. lmao.

companies are funny.

Toughbook has always been 2x to 3x more costly than typical laptops. I don't get it personally, but someone keeps buying them. Maybe construction workers really do like the extra ruggedness or something, because Panasonic keeps making this line for years (decades now??)
 

FreedomEclipse

~Technological Technocrat~
Joined
Apr 20, 2007
Messages
23,374 (3.76/day)
Location
London,UK
System Name Codename: Icarus Mk.VI
Processor Intel 8600k@Stock -- pending tuning
Motherboard Asus ROG Strixx Z370-F
Cooling CPU: BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 {1xCorsair ML120 Pro|5xML140 Pro}
Memory 32GB XPG Gammix D10 {2x16GB}
Video Card(s) ASUS Dual Radeon™ RX 6700 XT OC Edition
Storage Samsung 970 Evo 512GB SSD (Boot)|WD SN770 (Gaming)|2x 3TB Toshiba DT01ACA300|2x 2TB Crucial BX500
Display(s) LG GP850-B
Case Corsair 760T (White)
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V573|Speakers: JBL Control One|Auna 300-CN|Wharfedale Diamond SW150
Power Supply Corsair AX760
Mouse Logitech G900
Keyboard Duckyshine Dead LED(s) III
Software Windows 10 Pro
Benchmark Scores (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
My brain derped and i read S1 as $1 and i was like "By god, thats really cheap, Theres no way that its that cheap..." Then brain auto corrected itself... "By god, thats really expensive..."
 
Joined
Apr 24, 2020
Messages
2,562 (1.75/day)
glove-enabled touch screen

Wow. How does that work? Seriously. Humans have a relatively consistent capacitance between one another. Children are weird (because they're so much smaller than adults), but ultimately, we're bags of water being held together by skin.

Work gloves on the other hand: are of all types. Maybe one group is using rubber, another is using leather, and another may be using latex. Gloves are also bad for precision, so I can't imagine that its a resistive screen.

So I'm not exactly seeing how that tech would work. Maybe its capacitive, but they tested a whole bunch of different work-gloves to tweak the algorithm? Even then, a lot of gestures (ex: single finger, double-finger, zoom, etc. etc.) require a decent amount of precision. Its probably easier to make gloves that have similar capacitance to a human... rather than to tweak the algorithm to recognize a bunch of other gloves.
 

silentbogo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
5,474 (1.44/day)
Location
Kyiv, Ukraine
System Name WS#1337
Processor Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard ASUS X570-PLUS TUF Gaming
Cooling Xigmatek Scylla 240mm AIO
Memory 4x8GB Samsung DDR4 ECC UDIMM
Video Card(s) Inno3D RTX 3070 Ti iChill
Storage ADATA Legend 2TB + ADATA SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) Samsung U24E590D (4K/UHD)
Case ghetto CM Cosmos RC-1000
Audio Device(s) ALC1220
Power Supply SeaSonic SSR-550FX (80+ GOLD)
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Modecom Volcano Blade (Kailh choc LP)
VR HMD Google dreamview headset(aka fancy cardboard)
Software Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
I think Panasonic is nose deep up their own with rugged merch. I understand that rugged tablet market is a niche market, but still... for €1100 at least you should get a decent FHD IPS screen and bigger battery. It's not like they are having a space or budget constraint, or anything of the sorts.
But yeah...
* 7" WXGA, 500nit. Probably a generic IPS, which nowadays are only used in industrial touch panels, fridges, and fancy coffee machines. Heck, even a coffee machine in a grocery store downstairs uses a 6" FHD module. Probably the same thing I've seen time and time again 10 years ago in those shitty $30 chinese tablets.
* 3200mAh battery, while 5800mAh is an expensive[!!!] extra (>$130, if it's similar or same as last year's A3)
* QC is an extra[!!!]. That puny 3.2Ah battery charges in 3 hours, so I assume it's your ghost of the past decade 5V 1A cheap-o charger in base config
* Type C and docking connector are extra[!!!]
* SD660 in 2021? Not even 662 or 665? C'mon...
* 1 year limited warranty? For a rugged? For €1100? Wu-u-u-ut?

android 10. 1100 euro. lmao.
Well, it's very stable, polished and still getting updates (and will get security updates at least for another year or so, just enough to last 1y. warranty), so it's the least of questionable things on the list. Heck, I'm still rocking Nokia 8 with Android 9, and everything works as good as intended. Though, last security patch was from Oct 1, 2020 and it's time to upgrade.
Also, Android 10 is only there thanks to Google.
If it was up to Panasonic, they'd be still running Nougat. :D

Wow. How does that work? Seriously. Humans have a relatively consistent capacitance between one another. Children are weird (because they're so much smaller than adults), but ultimately, we're bags of water being held together by skin.

Work gloves on the other hand: are of all types. Maybe one group is using rubber, another is using leather, and another may be using latex. Gloves are also bad for precision, so I can't imagine that its a resistive screen.

So I'm not exactly seeing how that tech would work. Maybe its capacitive, but they tested a whole bunch of different work-gloves to tweak the algorithm? Even then, a lot of gestures (ex: single finger, double-finger, zoom, etc. etc.) require a decent amount of precision. Its probably easier to make gloves that have similar capacitance to a human... rather than to tweak the algorithm to recognize a bunch of other gloves.
It's a glove touch "mode", so it's probably just a high-sensitivity mode toggled manually, kinda like old Galaxy Note digitizers, which could be used even with long nails instead of fingertips (used to be my aunt's favorite feature :laugh:)
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
20,787 (3.41/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64
Toughbook has always been 2x to 3x more costly than typical laptops. I don't get it personally, but someone keeps buying them. Maybe construction workers really do like the extra ruggedness or something, because Panasonic keeps making this line for years (decades now??)
Government/commercial contracts. They are used from everything from construction to the armed forces.

That said:

1 year limited warranty? For a rugged? For €1100? Wu-u-u-ut
This does seem really odd.
 

silentbogo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
5,474 (1.44/day)
Location
Kyiv, Ukraine
System Name WS#1337
Processor Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard ASUS X570-PLUS TUF Gaming
Cooling Xigmatek Scylla 240mm AIO
Memory 4x8GB Samsung DDR4 ECC UDIMM
Video Card(s) Inno3D RTX 3070 Ti iChill
Storage ADATA Legend 2TB + ADATA SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) Samsung U24E590D (4K/UHD)
Case ghetto CM Cosmos RC-1000
Audio Device(s) ALC1220
Power Supply SeaSonic SSR-550FX (80+ GOLD)
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Modecom Volcano Blade (Kailh choc LP)
VR HMD Google dreamview headset(aka fancy cardboard)
Software Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
This does seem really odd.
That's a modern trend, but in case of business-class laptops, tablets and convertibles at least it makes sense: things are getting cheaper so less warranty is justified.
Let's say, for HP it was something like 3 years mainstream and 5 years premium, and now it's down to 1 year and 3 years respectively, but today a top-end Elitebook equivalent costs like a barebones probook of yesteryear. Same with Thinkpads and Latitudes. Gotta cut costs to remain competitive.
In case of Panasonic, they've dropped from 3 year standard to 1 year, but the price remained the same(e.g. ridiculously high). Just clinging to those sweet-sweet exclusive military and industrial contracts in US.
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
20,787 (3.41/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64
Just clinging to those sweet-sweet exclusive military and industrial contracts in US.
Us Americans love to feed our Military Industrial complex.
 

silentbogo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
5,474 (1.44/day)
Location
Kyiv, Ukraine
System Name WS#1337
Processor Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard ASUS X570-PLUS TUF Gaming
Cooling Xigmatek Scylla 240mm AIO
Memory 4x8GB Samsung DDR4 ECC UDIMM
Video Card(s) Inno3D RTX 3070 Ti iChill
Storage ADATA Legend 2TB + ADATA SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) Samsung U24E590D (4K/UHD)
Case ghetto CM Cosmos RC-1000
Audio Device(s) ALC1220
Power Supply SeaSonic SSR-550FX (80+ GOLD)
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Modecom Volcano Blade (Kailh choc LP)
VR HMD Google dreamview headset(aka fancy cardboard)
Software Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
Us Americans love to feed our Military Industrial complex.
I'm just surprised that Panasonic has contracts with nearly all branches of military (and law enforcement), even though Dell would be the most obvious choice.
 
Joined
Jan 3, 2021
Messages
2,671 (2.21/day)
Location
Slovenia
Processor i5-6600K
Motherboard Asus Z170A
Cooling some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar
Memory 16GB DDR4-2400
Video Card(s) IGP
Storage Samsung 850 EVO 250GB
Display(s) 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200
Case Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh
Audio Device(s) E-mu 1212m PCI
Power Supply Seasonic G-360
Mouse Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse
Keyboard Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994
Software Oldwin
We can comment on price all we want, but if any of these tablets ever reach retail, it will be by mistake and they will be unsupported. The product pages for both Europe and America are obviously consumer-unfriendly.

Regardless, 500 nits is a shame, and slow charging is a shame too.
 
Joined
Jun 24, 2018
Messages
56 (0.03/day)
Location
Chicago, IL
System Name Replicator
Processor Ryzen 7 1700
Motherboard ROG Strix x470-i
Memory G-Skill Trident Z Neo 32GB 3600
Video Card(s) ROG STRIX-GTX1080-O8G-GAMING
Government/commercial contracts. They are used from everything from construction to the armed forces.

That said:


This does seem really odd.

1-year warranty, so they can offer Enterprise "tech" support for this rugged outdated Android tablet on a support-as-a-service contract. Corporations love paying for that shit.
 
Joined
Mar 28, 2020
Messages
1,646 (1.11/day)
Panasonic "Tough" series have been around for a long time and I guess while the product does not make sense to most consumers, there must be a market that buys them for Panasonic to keep this product line. The specs are nowhere near cutting edge, and may be dated 2 to 3 generations back. If the "toughness", price and specs don't look attractive to us, then obviously we are not the people they are targeting to sell to. I guess the price may include replacement sets in case the "toughness" fails and the device broke/ failed.
 
Joined
Oct 22, 2014
Messages
13,210 (3.80/day)
Location
Sunshine Coast
System Name Black Box
Processor Intel Xeon E3-1260L v5
Motherboard MSI E3 KRAIT Gaming v5
Cooling Tt tower + 120mm Tt fan
Memory G.Skill 16GB 3600 C18
Video Card(s) Asus GTX 970 Mini
Storage Kingston A2000 512Gb NVME
Display(s) AOC 24" Freesync 1m.s. 75Hz
Case Corsair 450D High Air Flow.
Audio Device(s) No need.
Power Supply FSP Aurum 650W
Mouse Yes
Keyboard Of course
Software W10 Pro 64 bit
Any 7" Android Tablet can meet the same specs in a tough case for a much lower cost.
 
Joined
Sep 29, 2020
Messages
44 (0.03/day)
I'm just surprised that Panasonic has contracts with nearly all branches of military (and law enforcement), even though Dell would be the most obvious choice.
And the dumbest.

Companies who go dell (rugged laptops I mean) usually regret the choice. Dell makes decent hardware if you think consumer-wise, but in military, construction, police etc. you need to be able to "count" on your hardware, and can't have some shitty quality assurance issues or the hardware randomly dying (because of a bad batch or whatever).

If you'd check out forums about rugged laptops, you could find out that Dell is at most considered once, then never again, because it doesn't pass the test of time and reliability.

Something Panasonic is actually the best in, as far as I know. There are also other brands that are decent though, but they aren't Dell.

The money that is spent on such laptops/tablets is not really towards fast performance hardware, rather, the ruggedness of the case and internal components, as well as quality assurance tests, so there are no bad batches (this step is completely omitted in consumer products, because it's too expensive and if a consumer buys it he can just waste some time to replace it). Research and development of such cases is much more expensive than a standard case.

Whether prices are fair or not I don't know, Panasonic is actually the most expensive rugged brand, there are cheaper and they withstand way more than any generic consumer/business laptop. Nonetheless, I'd say the price is somewhat justified.

These are laptops for specific fields anyway, it's not like it would be worthwhile buying them personally. You'd better buy a Thinkpad and replace it every once in a while if needed at all. Would be much cheaper.
 
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
3,478 (0.84/day)
System Name Skunkworks
Processor 5800x3d
Motherboard x570 unify
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A
Memory 32GB 3600 mhz
Video Card(s) asrock 6800xt challenger D
Storage Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB
Display(s) Asus 1440p144 27"
Case Old arse cooler master 932
Power Supply Corsair 1200w platinum
Mouse *squeak*
Keyboard Some old office thing
Software openSUSE tumbleweed/Mint 21.2
Well, it's very stable, polished and still getting updates (and will get security updates at least for another year or so, just enough to last 1y. warranty), so it's the least of questionable things on the list. Heck, I'm still rocking Nokia 8 with Android 9, and everything works as good as intended. Though, last security patch was from Oct 1, 2020 and it's time to upgrade.
Also, Android 10 is only there thanks to Google.
If it was up to Panasonic, they'd be still running Nougat. :D
Only tech nerds care about being on the latest android update with the latest security patches, ece. Construction workers couldnt care less. They're not going to use a bulky thing like this to browse the web, jsut view building plans or some type of document in a dangerous work site.

And android isnt iOS, it doesnt matter what OS you're on. Were FINALLY getting to the point where many popular apps no longer support 4.4.4. In the year of android 11.

And the dumbest.

Companies who go dell (rugged laptops I mean) usually regret the choice. Dell makes decent hardware if you think consumer-wise, but in military, construction, police etc. you need to be able to "count" on your hardware, and can't have some shitty quality assurance issues or the hardware randomly dying (because of a bad batch or whatever).

If you'd check out forums about rugged laptops, you could find out that Dell is at most considered once, then never again, because it doesn't pass the test of time and reliability.

Something Panasonic is actually the best in, as far as I know. There are also other brands that are decent though, but they aren't Dell.

The money that is spent on such laptops/tablets is not really towards fast performance hardware, rather, the ruggedness of the case and internal components, as well as quality assurance tests, so there are no bad batches (this step is completely omitted in consumer products, because it's too expensive and if a consumer buys it he can just waste some time to replace it). Research and development of such cases is much more expensive than a standard case.

Whether prices are fair or not I don't know, Panasonic is actually the most expensive rugged brand, there are cheaper and they withstand way more than any generic consumer/business laptop. Nonetheless, I'd say the price is somewhat justified.

These are laptops for specific fields anyway, it's not like it would be worthwhile buying them personally. You'd better buy a Thinkpad and replace it every once in a while if needed at all. Would be much cheaper.
I disagree. Their consumer stuff is total garbage. Batteries that fall apart after a year, cheapo plastics, 0 maintenance capability, terrible HDDs and Dram less SSDs. Garbage images loaded with bloatware.

Their business line? Hardly any better. Bulging batteries, burnt out motherboards, failed WiFi antennaes. We've had nothing but trouble for the last 2-3 years with latitude laptops.

The issue is no other OEMs care enought o build a decent product anymore. It's all disposable.
 

silentbogo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
5,474 (1.44/day)
Location
Kyiv, Ukraine
System Name WS#1337
Processor Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard ASUS X570-PLUS TUF Gaming
Cooling Xigmatek Scylla 240mm AIO
Memory 4x8GB Samsung DDR4 ECC UDIMM
Video Card(s) Inno3D RTX 3070 Ti iChill
Storage ADATA Legend 2TB + ADATA SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) Samsung U24E590D (4K/UHD)
Case ghetto CM Cosmos RC-1000
Audio Device(s) ALC1220
Power Supply SeaSonic SSR-550FX (80+ GOLD)
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Modecom Volcano Blade (Kailh choc LP)
VR HMD Google dreamview headset(aka fancy cardboard)
Software Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
Only tech nerds care about being on the latest android update with the latest security patches, ece. Construction workers couldnt care less. They're not going to use a bulky thing like this to browse the web, jsut view building plans or some type of document in a dangerous work site.

And android isnt iOS, it doesnt matter what OS you're on. Were FINALLY getting to the point where many popular apps no longer support 4.4.4. In the year of android 11.
Not really. Even tech nerds usually don't care. I'm one and just fine with anything newer than 7, if it's stable and reliable.
The issue is: google is still in the process of managing and unifying android distros and updates, so they are tightening the noose on how far back android will be supported. Right now Android 10 is a requirement for all google-validated devices(the ones allowed to use Google Services). Same goes for App support - it's easier to target a narrow range of Android API levels, which in turn makes it easier to manipulate developers into using certain features, which in its turn makes it easier to manipulate userbase.
And android isnt iOS, it doesnt matter what OS you're on.
Well, Apple is going the same way, especially after M1 release. At this moment they've stopped updating OS for some hardware, and stopped supporting lots of older software. Just a few weeks ago I had a client with an older iMac(2nd gen i7), and at this moment he has Yosemite installed, but 99% of software he uses is already locked out to OS X Mojave and higher.
Some older devices like 4th gen iPad Retina will nag about new updates only to tell you that the update is "not compatible with your device". So much for last year's praise for long-term support.
Also had an old MBP from another client not too long ago which came with El Capitan, but it couldn't be reinstalled on a new SSD right away because Apple hasn't updated a security certificate for this download since the date of last revision (you have to change system date/time to 2018 in order to install it). There are many more examples, but i'm not a frequent apple user to list more off the top of my head.
 
Joined
Dec 28, 2012
Messages
3,478 (0.84/day)
System Name Skunkworks
Processor 5800x3d
Motherboard x570 unify
Cooling Noctua NH-U12A
Memory 32GB 3600 mhz
Video Card(s) asrock 6800xt challenger D
Storage Sabarent rocket 4.0 2TB, MX 500 2TB
Display(s) Asus 1440p144 27"
Case Old arse cooler master 932
Power Supply Corsair 1200w platinum
Mouse *squeak*
Keyboard Some old office thing
Software openSUSE tumbleweed/Mint 21.2
Not really. Even tech nerds usually don't care. I'm one and just fine with anything newer than 7, if it's stable and reliable.
The issue is: google is still in the process of managing and unifying android distros and updates, so they are tightening the noose on how far back android will be supported. Right now Android 10 is a requirement for all google-validated devices(the ones allowed to use Google Services). Same goes for App support - it's easier to target a narrow range of Android API levels, which in turn makes it easier to manipulate developers into using certain features, which in its turn makes it easier to manipulate userbase.
Google requires android 10 for google validation, but app development is an entirely different story. You can still release brand new apps for android that can run on 7,8, ece.

Actually if google doesnt allow google srvices on new devices running 9 I'd be mroe interested in a google-less android 9 device then a googled andorid 11 device. Especially given the mucking around google is doing with the SD card now. I used to be one of those guys who wanted better update policies, but over time I've realized they dont honestly amount to anything, given apps are sandboxed and update independent of the OS and any time I've lost data it has been due to a server being compromized, not a phone.
Well, Apple is going the same way, especially after M1 release. At this moment they've stopped updating OS for some hardware, and stopped supporting lots of older software. Just a few weeks ago I had a client with an older iMac(2nd gen i7), and at this moment he has Yosemite installed, but 99% of software he uses is already locked out to OS X Mojave and higher.
Some older devices like 4th gen iPad Retina will nag about new updates only to tell you that the update is "not compatible with your device". So much for last year's praise for long-term support.
Also had an old MBP from another client not too long ago which came with El Capitan, but it couldn't be reinstalled on a new SSD right away because Apple hasn't updated a security certificate for this download since the date of last revision (you have to change system date/time to 2018 in order to install it). There are many more examples, but i'm not a frequent apple user to list more off the top of my head.
Isnt that the opposite way? Android will let you install brand new apps on old phones no issue, apple has always been anal about you having the newest iOS to get app updates. I guess my point was this device shipping with andorid 10 really isnt an issue from a service standpoint given how long it will be until android 11 is a minimum target for new apps, it'll likely be 2030 or so, and I doubt these tablet swill still be in use by then. Android 5 is 7 years old and still sees active app support.
 

silentbogo

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
5,474 (1.44/day)
Location
Kyiv, Ukraine
System Name WS#1337
Processor Ryzen 7 3800X
Motherboard ASUS X570-PLUS TUF Gaming
Cooling Xigmatek Scylla 240mm AIO
Memory 4x8GB Samsung DDR4 ECC UDIMM
Video Card(s) Inno3D RTX 3070 Ti iChill
Storage ADATA Legend 2TB + ADATA SX8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) Samsung U24E590D (4K/UHD)
Case ghetto CM Cosmos RC-1000
Audio Device(s) ALC1220
Power Supply SeaSonic SSR-550FX (80+ GOLD)
Mouse Logitech G603
Keyboard Modecom Volcano Blade (Kailh choc LP)
VR HMD Google dreamview headset(aka fancy cardboard)
Software Windows 11, Ubuntu 20.04 LTS
Actually if google doesnt allow google srvices on new devices running 9 I'd be mroe interested in a google-less android 9 device then a googled andorid 11 device.
Sounds good in theory, but in practice it's not that good. Basically for now you can run AOSP without gapps and not worrying about certifications or google spying on you, but given how much google has tightened access to APIs (just read latest news on Chromium and AOSP, where certain features aren't available anymore or are in process of getting deprecated), and how much stuff got absorbed into Google Mobile Services or moved from AOSP to closed source branch, you'd probably hate the experience. Also, lots of apps depend on these services and APIs, so you won't get as much out of your "degoogled" device and most likely won't be able to use your favorite apps that, let's say, rely on search or use webview. Same goes for wearables and accessories - they rely on closed-source APIs as well.
AOSP was good about 4-5 years ago. Now Google forced it to shrivel to a bleak shadow of its former self. Just give it a few more years and the only thing you'd be able to do on your AOSP smartphone is make calls. And if you think of alternatives - look no further than Huawei or chinese degoogled versions of MIUI (hint - abysmal and glitchy AF).
 
Top