Microsoft Considers Tweaking Windows 11 TPM Requirement to Include Zen 1 and 7th Gen Core

[ValenOne]

Yes, Microsoft IS cutting out support artificially and is currently letting CPU's that don't proscribe to the DCH standard to run. Its almost like Microsoft are really good at this backward compatibility thing, but wants to ensure a certain security standard going forward. We technically saw the same thing with XP SP3 to Vista, XP SP3 brought in WDM 2.0, but wasn't enforced until Vista. That change still broke tonnes of shit as we all remember.



Pretty certain that the SP4 has an offboard TPM not part of the CPU.
And didn't say anything about Ryzen 2nd gen, only first gen.

I think after all this back and forth however we can agree on one thing, Microsoft's messaging around this is fucking idiotic when we are still all sitting around trying to figure out what the actual reasons are behind min requirements.

I do think it boils down to three things now.

A: TPM 2.0
B: Secure Boot
C: DCH drivers.

The more I think about it though, Microsoft shouldn't have launched Windows 11, and instead set a final feature pack version for unsupported hardware with say a two year security update before EOL.

R5 2500U is 14 nm Zen 1 APU without desktop 14 nm Zen 1's chiplet and CCX-to-CCX latencies.

I'm running Intel's latest DCH IGP drivers on Surface Pro 4's i5 6300U's IGP.

 

[Mussels]

I feel kinda entitled rn with my Zen1 but yea this whole situation smells like moar e-waste by the powaah of the e-waste gods

It's made news that zen 1 and it gen 7 will be supported, unsure about anything older

zen 1 was dumb, because you can run those on B450 boards that 100% have the TPM support

 

[ValenOne]

It's made news that zen 1 and it gen 7 will be supported, unsure about anything older

zen 1 was dumb, because you can run those on B450 boards that 100% have the TPM support

Zen 1 has fTPM (TPM 2.0) built-in.

ROG Strix X570-E Gaming motherboards still support "Ryzen 7 1800X (3.6GHz, 8C, L3:16M, 95W)". https://rog.asus.com/au/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-x570-e-gaming-model/helpdesk_cpu

 

[VEGGIM]

what is the exact reason why "ancient" hardware that can run Windows 10 just fine should not be able to run windows 11?
improved security? really? so my core 2 duo laptop or core 2 quad pc which run windows 10 just fine are super insecure and therefor irresponsible to use for windows 11

I mean this is just begging for hacked windows 11 vids where people show it runs just fine on older hardware....I swear sometimes its like companies work to have techyoutubers have content for their vids....

Its not like it can't for example windows 7 running on coffee lake, It's a way for them to bail out in case something can go wrong. Which means that if something goes wrong with windows 11, and then it shows that your hardware is unsupported, Microsoft is not liable for it since it wasn't supported in the first place.

 

[Selaya]

If you've lost physical security of the device, well I hope your other mechanisms of securing the device are top notch. Its also entirely outside of scope of expectation as to what you expect a TPM to be achieving.

Is that not the point of fulldisk encryption?

 

[Camm]

Is that not the point of fulldisk encryption?

TPM can be used to store disk encryption keys, but their primary use is as a trusted location to store secrets. This isn't necessarily a physical access protection mechanism. If you need physical security with fulldisk encryption (noting how difficult it is to pull a decryption key from a TPM even if you have physical access), you can enable a boot time password unlock that adds both a key stored in TPM, and a key stored in your brain to unlock Bitlocker.

 

[zoom314]

Or and I could be wrong on this, the big 800lb Gorilla in the room, Piracy of the Windows OS itself from 7 and 10.

 

[windwhirl]

Or and I could be wrong on this, the big 800lb Gorilla in the room, Piracy of the Windows OS itself from 7 and 10.

I doubt that's the reason driving it. Microsoft's revenue information:

Server, Office and Cloud services are almost 4x the revenue brought by Windows. According to MS, this category is basically stagnant (six months ended Dec 31 2020 vs 2019)

 

[Prima.Vera]

I have a i7 3770K CPU. Can I show the middle finger to M$ ?

 

[windwhirl]

I have a i7 3770K CPU. Can I show the middle finger to M$ ?

Yeah. Though, why does everyone make a big deal of it? As far as I can tell, there's basically nothing new in Windows 11 that's actually a big deal, save for DirectStorage, which doesn't seem to be worth much if your machine isn't up to par in terms of speed, and the Android stuff. And with the lack of Google Play services and Google themselves pushing for AAB and deprecating APK at some point in the future, who knows if the feature won't be basically useless outside of whatever apps the Amazon store has. Plus Android apps are not necessarily going to work fine on the desktop.