NVIDIA DLAA Anti-Aliasing

[Vayra86]

Hot takes: There's no pure "gaming GPU" anymore at Nvidia, I believe that GeForce is a prosumer brand now. phones have been using their machine learning hardware for photo and video operation for a while now, those kind of thing are just making their beginning on the PC space with Adobe Photoshop and the like, Nvidia has been trying really hard to sell their RTX laptop as a creative tool, a market that got many apple afficionado, so I really doubt that we'll see them getting rid of it in their GPU, and let Apple (and soon intel) say stuff like : "you won't find machine learning acceleration in competing devices".

Even beyond gaming, Microsoft seemed pretty happy about adding on-device machine learning and A.I to windows, but the general public doesn't seems to care
AI Platform for Windows Developers - Windows Developer Blog

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They're really desperately looking for new markets. And all of them are dead on arrival, because quite simply, its too rich for people's blood. Happy few won't carry an industry for the happy few. At the same time, yes, we have and 'want' more content creators, but we're also placing the axe on the roots of Big Tech these days and with that comes a radical change in our perspective on social media and its algorithms, they're already under broad review, even by social media frequenters. And a lot of our content desires are fueled by it. Click, next, rinse, repeat.

The show must go on, but realistically, we've landed into utter bullshit land. I'd much rather see a drastic improvement in quality software rather than hardware. The hardware is fine as it has been for ten years now. Nothing much changed and we're fighting an uphill performance battle against diminishing returns: FPS is beyond what we 'need', resolution is too fine to even discern pixels at normal view distances. These things are end of the line and everyone can see it, and no marketing can deny it, however hard they (and some people here) try. They're buying 48 inch OLEDs to justify the 4K res (and display tech) - nothing wrong with it, but it shows how silly and over the top we already are.

Its no coincidence also that VR got spurred into action a few years ago. Another niche that got re-launched how often now? But "now"(!!!one) the tech is truly ready. Mhm, except you cán buy upgraded HMDs faster than you upgrade your PC. But the people ain't, its still a niche that won't break into mainstream usage, because of the simple fact you look like a fool with a headset on your face, bumping into furniture and smacking your kid in the face with a controller. Never mind even the fact you're one foot and two eyes + brain into a dystopic fantasy world a'la Cyberpunk. Even the telemetry is already present on your bodily functions, and you're logging into Facebook with it. And note the similarities: It also inspires a faster, more performant GPU that renders at high res and high FPS.

Meanwhile the only constant growth market is games and gaming itself. The content, before the hardware. In fact, put the hardware in people's hands, and you have a new growth market (smartphones). Let them pay extra to 'play the game', and its dead.

 

[THU31]

Maybe this is good for people playing at 1080p, where TAA is blurry and you want to increase image quality. But I do not see any difference in 4K, and at this resolution I am looking for features that increase performance, which is why DLSS is way better.

I am still waiting for Dynamic DLSS, where the preset will change on the fly based on the GPU load. Seeing GPU usage vary between 60% and 100% is annoying, it is a waste of resources. So either I pick a higher preset and put up with frame drops in demanding scenes, or pick a lower preset and deal with low GPU utilization most of the time. I usually pick the latter.

 

[nguyen]

They're really desperately looking for new markets. And all of them are dead on arrival, because quite simply, its too rich for people's blood. Happy few won't carry an industry for the happy few. At the same time, yes, we have and 'want' more content creators, but we're also placing the axe on the roots of Big Tech these days and with that comes a radical change in our perspective on social media and its algorithms, they're already under broad review, even by social media frequenters. And a lot of our content desires are fueled by it. Click, next, rinse, repeat.

The show must go on, but realistically, we've landed into utter bullshit land. I'd much rather see a drastic improvement in quality software rather than hardware. The hardware is fine as it has been for ten years now. Nothing much changed and we're fighting an uphill performance battle against diminishing returns: FPS is beyond what we 'need', resolution is too fine to even discern pixels at normal view distances. These things are end of the line and everyone can see it, and no marketing can deny it, however hard they (and some people here) try. They're buying 48 inch OLEDs to justify the 4K res (and display tech) - nothing wrong with it, but it shows how silly and over the top we already are.

Its no coincidence also that VR got spurred into action a few years ago. Another niche that got re-launched how often now? But "now"(!!!one) the tech is truly ready. Mhm, except you cán buy upgraded HMDs faster than you upgrade your PC. But the people ain't, its still a niche that won't break into mainstream usage, because of the simple fact you look like a fool with a headset on your face, bumping into furniture and smacking your kid in the face with a controller. Never mind even the fact you're one foot and two eyes + brain into a dystopic fantasy world a'la Cyberpunk. Even the telemetry is already present on your bodily functions, and you're logging into Facebook with it. And note the similarities: It also inspires a faster, more performant GPU that renders at high res and high FPS.

Meanwhile the only constant growth market is games and gaming itself. The content, before the hardware. In fact, put the hardware in people's hands, and you have a new growth market (smartphones). Let them pay extra to 'play the game', and its dead.

Brain dead discussion, how capicalism works is that rich people will pay the premium that will make the technology become more mainstream over the time, it has been like this for every industry for hundreds of years already (car, plane, phone, cruise ship, food, etc...)

Seems like you are against everyone who have money to spare, kind of a bore listening to someone so against new tech in a tech forum , maybe you are interested to joining the Amish community.

Btw dissing on OLED because you can't afford it is just sad, really sad. Let hope your VA panel get some sofware updates that make it compete with OLED .Oh and smartphone chips nowaday all have AI dedicated cores on them,I guess Nvidia is being smart about having them on GPU too .

 

[Vayra86]

Brain dead discussion, how capicalism works is that rich people will pay the premium that will make the technology become more mainstream over the time, it has been like this for every industry for hundreds of years already (car, plane, phone, cruise ship, food, etc...)

Seems like you are against everyone who have money to spare, kind of a bore listening to someone so against new tech in a tech forum , maybe you are interested to joining the Amish community.

Btw dissing on OLED because you can't afford it is just sad, really sad. Let hope your VA panel get some sofware updates that make it compete with OLED .Oh and smartphone chips nowaday all have AI dedicated cores on them,I guess Nvidia is being smart about having them on GPU too .

Dissing OLED? Not only am I way past 'dissing', Im also looking the market from a somewhat less individual and more birds eye perspective. Im not here to epeen because Ive overspent on my hardware.

Tech enthusiasm and blindly following marketing are two different things, dont mistake my perspective for lack of enthusiasm. Its just a perspective that doesnt suit your narrative. Also... trickle down is actually proving not to work in equal measure - note the steady growth of the gap between rich and poor. Here is a source on that, if you are interested beyond the soundbite.

There is No Such Thing as Trickle-Down Economics - Americans Care

The point is not to transfer wealth up and down but rather to create universal opportunity. Critics of liberalism and the market economy have made a long-standing habit of inventing terms we would never use to describe ourselves. The most common of these is “neo-liberal” or “neo-liberalism,”...

americans-care.com

Trickle-Down Economics Is A Fallacy That Should Be Stopped - World Stock Market

The trickle-down theory of economics, also known as the horse and sparrow theory is an economic solution that favors the ideology of cutting taxes on businesses and the elite social class. The purpose is to empower them to invest more in business ventures, thus stimulating the business...

www.worldstockmarket.net

Keep living the dream - reality is quickly setting in: supply line issues, prolonged chip shortages and the least healthy market for GPUs we have yet experienced. Thats the perspective Im presenting - it has absolutely nothing to do with what I own or do. I can buy anything in hardware, but simply dont choose to.

 

[nguyen]

Dissing OLED? Not only am I way past 'dissing', Im also looking the market from a somewhat less individual and more birds eye perspective. Im not here to epeen because Ive overspent on my hardware.

Tech enthusiasm and blindly following marketing are two different things, dont mistake my perspective for lack of enthusiasm. Its just a perspective that doesnt suit your narrative. Also... trickle down is actually proving not to work in equal measure - note the steady growth of the gap between rich and poor. Here is a source on that, if you are interested beyond the soundbite.

There is No Such Thing as Trickle-Down Economics - Americans Care

The point is not to transfer wealth up and down but rather to create universal opportunity. Critics of liberalism and the market economy have made a long-standing habit of inventing terms we would never use to describe ourselves. The most common of these is “neo-liberal” or “neo-liberalism,”...

americans-care.com

Trickle-Down Economics Is A Fallacy That Should Be Stopped - World Stock Market

The trickle-down theory of economics, also known as the horse and sparrow theory is an economic solution that favors the ideology of cutting taxes on businesses and the elite social class. The purpose is to empower them to invest more in business ventures, thus stimulating the business...

www.worldstockmarket.net

Keep living the dream - reality is quickly setting in: supply line issues, prolonged chip shortages and the least healthy market for GPUs we have yet experienced. Thats the perspective Im presenting - it has absolutely nothing to do with what I own or do. I can buy anything in hardware, but simply dont choose to.

There are market for everyone, if you prefer cheap and easy hardware, there are plenty for you, if people want the best and willing to pay the premium, well there are market for them too , these markets dont mix and just because you don't like the other market, they shouldn't exist

Just enjoy your VA while other people enjoy their OLED, is that so hard to grasp

 

[Manoa]

OLED suckx, it don't do low ranges good like LCD and it have burn problems and because the technology is new many thing brakes and low warranty :x

 

[THU31]

OLED suckx, it don't do low ranges good like LCD and it have burn problems and because the technology is new many thing brakes and low warranty :x

Is that based on your own experience?

Mine is completely different.

 

[dir_d]

Is that based on your own experience?

Mine is completely different.

I 100% agree, my 48c1 with a 3080TI is great. There are no burn in problems, people should let that myth go.

 

[Vayra86]

There are market for everyone, if you prefer cheap and easy hardware, there are plenty for you, if people want the best and willing to pay the premium, well there are market for them too , these markets dont mix and just because you don't like the other market, they shouldn't exist

Just enjoy your VA while other people enjoy their OLED, is that so hard to grasp

But how does that mix with your whole trickle down story just now then? Change of heart? Or am I in fact spot on here, since you felt the need to once again go in penis compare mode.

You are as free to enjoy your hardware as I am to enjoy mine - but that wasnt ever the point of discussion to me.

My point is: if the market is not mixed and/or the gap is too large, you have created fragmentation, and it will not help widespread adoption. Which in turn might kill the innovation. In the same vein Im not against new tech or RT, but the way it gets pushed forward.

 

[nguyen]

But how does that mix with your whole trickle down story just now then? Change of heart? Or am I in fact spot on here, since you felt the need to once again go in penis compare mode.

You are as free to enjoy your hardware as I am to enjoy mine - but that wasnt ever the point of discussion to me.

My point is: if the market is not mixed and/or the gap is too large, you have created fragmentation, and it will not help widespread adoption. Which in turn might kill the innovation. In the same vein Im not against new tech or RT, but the way it gets pushed forward.

Trickle down economics

The idea behind trickle-down economics is simple: cut taxes for the richest and the benefits will trickle down. These policies should enable wealthy owners to create more jobs for middle and lower class citizens, meaning the benefits are felt by everyone.

Economies of scale

Economies of scale are cost advantages reaped by companies when production becomes efficient. Companies can achieve economies of scale by increasing production and lowering costs. This happens because costs are spread over a larger number of goods. Costs can be both fixed and variable.

see? you can't even distinguish between these two, arguing with someone who knows so little is just wasting time. Have fun with your hardware though, happiness come from within you know . I definitely don't envy people who buy millions dollars cars, yatch, living in mansion, fake instagram influencers and neither should you.

 

[Vayra86]

I 100% agree, my 48c1 with a 3080TI is great. There are no burn in problems, people should let that myth go.

Time will tell but so far results do look promising. The diagonal though, 48 inch is effin big for a monitor... Id be all over it at 16 inch smaller... 32 inch is really the biggest you can go for monitor desktop...

Trickle down economics


Economies of scale


see? you can't even distinguish between these two, arguing with someone who knows so little is just wasting time. Have fun with your hardware though, happiness come from within you know . I definitely don't envy people who buy millions dollars cars, yatch, living in mansion, fake instagram influencers and neither should you.

Good, lets leave it there

 

[dir_d]

Time will tell but so far results do look promising. The diagonal though, 48 inch is effin big for a monitor... Id be all over it at 16 inch smaller... 32 inch is really the biggest you can go for monitor desktop...



Good, lets leave it there

I plan on picking up the 42inch that will be released by LG next year and moving my 48 into the bed room. I do agree the 48 is large but you can set custom resolutions for games and not use the whole screen. I usually use Ultra wide resolutions for certain games but my HDR games like Shadow of the Tomb Raider i use full screen.

 

[Mussels]

I cant tell any of them apart

 

[tfdsaf]

On 4k and 1440p TAA is the best and looks the sharpest, DLAA is second and DLSS is worst quality.

 

[venturi]

Seems there are a lot of camps and opinions on this that go beyond TAA VS DLAA VS DLSS.
and we might have gotten off topic

With that said, as static images go, it is plain to see that in this specific set of examples the TAA is better at 4K, ~ as static images are presented.

 

[mtcn77]

Seems there are a lot of camps and opinions on this that go beyond TAA VS DLAA VS DLSS.
and we might have gotten off topic

With that said, as static images go, it is plain to see that in this specific set of examples the TAA is better at 4K, ~ as static images are presented.

You know there are many different modalities, CRAA, HRAA, AEAA(GBAA)... These vendors don't commit themselves to open versions.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Sorry, the TAA looks the best.
ES Online already have shitty textures, but with DLxx solution those really look like low quality .
MSAA still looks the best, but it's the most taxing of all.

 

[mtcn77]

MSAA still looks the best, but it's the most taxing of all

Not true. The only downside of analytical filters is the staircase effect artifacted primary images. MSAA is just oversampling the compromised primary. It is not necessarily better than analytical filtering.
It just makes %25 error rate become a quarter, %6.25. A true analytical filter could definitely surpass it without a doubt.
The problem with analytical sampling is most of the times the gpus have excess memory performance, but not shader performance. This causes an overhead whereas free performance would look better for MSAA. This was not present in immediate mode big die gpus AMD had in the past, but all gpus now have tiled buffered access memory, so one or the other would be the same.