Windows 11 General Discussion

[FireFox]

ye even when i do clean installs of win 10 on my HP laptop, it auto remembers my win 10 cd key and auto activates it. i always found it odd myself. LOL

HP BIOS knows all

But the thing is that the key W11 is actived with i have never owned it, i would recognize it.
I have 4 keys, 3x pro and 1x enterprise, from those i have been using just one pro with W10.

 

[Space Lynx]

But the thing is that the key W11 is actived with i have never owned it, i would recognize it.
I have 4 keys, 3x pro and 1x enterprise, from those i have been using just one pro with W10.

speaking of this...

if I want to do a clean install of Win 11... can I just use my old Win 10 key during install process and it will auto upgrade it to win 11 key I assume?

 

[Keullo-e]

I'm pretty sure that this crap can be passed by soon. I'm currently on my parents and have my laptop with me.

 

[FireFox]

speaking of this...

if I want to do a clean install of Win 11... can I just use my old Win 10 key during install process and it will auto upgrade it to win 11 key I assume?

If your system already has an assigned digital license for Windows 10, it should automatically activated

 

[Keullo-e]

If your system already has an assigned digital license for Windows 10, it should automatically activated

Exactly, as 10 can be updated to 11, so the same license works.

I'll install it to my main rig when I get home, probably on weekend as I'm here for a few days. Then I'll check is there a macgyver trick to install it to my X58 2nd rig.

 

[Solaris17]

But the thing is that the key W11 is actived with i have never owned it, i would recognize it.
I have 4 keys, 3x pro and 1x enterprise, from those i have been using just one pro with W10.

It wont be yours. It only needs to know it was activated. It does not send down your owned key, it sees that your system ID is the same (indicating that no major HW change has happened) sees that it meets the condition for re-activation and activates and logs it.

IDK how else to explain it because all the other responses seem pretty clear.

 

[FireFox]

Found out what's going on.
The key is one of those provided by Microsoft to activate W11. ( it's a generic key )

Here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...cure-boot-registry-bypass.284107/post-4564010

 

[VulkanBros]

Hmmm - is there any difference, at all, on these drivers?

 

[windwhirl]

Hmmm - is there any difference, at all, on these drivers?



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No. AMD bundles everything in one package and then they'll install what your system needs, according to the chipset software you have selected.

They offer a "Windows 11" section just because it's normal to do so, even if everything is exactly the same thing as the Windows 10 driver. Besides that leaves that section ready for actual use if they ever start shipping different stuff for Windows 11

 

[mtosev]

Windows 11 is already available for my computer. Nice

 

[windwhirl]

Benchmarked: Do Windows 11’s Security Features Really Hobble Gaming Performance?

How much do they hurt, and how to opt out.

www.tomshardware.com

Take it with a grain of salt but more or less matches what I have seen on my system.

Tom's tested Intel's 10700K and 11700K and AMD's 3800X and 5800X.

TLDR: Intel's 10th and 11th generation CPUs and AMD's Zen 2/3 CPUs tank about 5% average on gaming, with some games a little higher and others a little lower (with GTA V on DX11 being the weird one that barely tanked 1% on all tested CPUs). 3DMark seem to tank even less, the difference might as well be non-existent, though VRMark seems to go back to around 5% performance hit.

Average application performance tanks very little on AMD. Zen 3's performance is virtually unaffected, and Zen 2 takes a mere 1% hit on average. On Intel, the 11th gen takes barely 1% hit, but 10th gen takes a bit of a larger hit, 4%.

All of those values are averages, you'd better check out Tom's article if you want more details.

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Figures I'll add this here too

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

Windows® 11 Performance Variation in Certain Applications on Compatible AMD Processors​

Article Number
PA-400
This documentation provides information on known performance impacts reported on Windows® 11 when running compatible AMD processors on certain applications.

Issue Description​

AMD and Microsoft have determined that compatible AMD processors may exhibit reduced performance in certain applications when running Windows® 11.

Known Performance Changes​	Impact​	Resolution​
Measured and functional L3 cache latency may increase by ~3X.	Applications sensitive to memory subsystem access time may be impacted. Expected performance impact of 3-5% in affected applications, 10-15% outliers possible in games commonly used for eSports.	A Windows update is in development to address this issue with expected availability in October of 2021.
UEFI CPPC2 (“preferred core”) may not preferentially schedule threads on a processor’s fastest core.	Applications sensitive to the performance of one or a few CPU threads may exhibit reduced performance. Performance impact may be more detectable in >8-core processors above 65W TDP.	A software update is in development to address this issue with expected availability in October of 2021.

Additional Information and Workaround​

AMD and Microsoft are actively investigating these known issues for resolution via software updates. This knowledge base article will be updated to include version numbers and delivery vehicle(s) when they are available. In the interim, customers using compatible AMD processors affected by these issues may continue to use a supported version of Windows® 10.

 

[Felix123BU]

Does anybody definitively know if there is a version number difference between the Windows 11 Iso you can download now and the update from Win 10 via updates?

I installed W11 with a clean install with the ISO, I have 10.0.22000 Build 22000, is this the current version for mortals, or? Read a lot of pages here, could not find a clear answer.

 

[Frick]

So is the UI scaling improved? I have my 4K-monitor at 150% and there are lots of bits that doesn't scale properly.

 

[windwhirl]

Does anybody definitively know if there is a version number difference between the Windows 11 Iso you can download now and the update from Win 10 via updates?

I installed W11 with a clean install with the ISO, I have 10.0.22000 Build 22000, is this the current version for mortals, or? Read a lot of pages here, could not find a clear answer.

Check if it's build 22000.194 in Srttings, System, About. That is the RTM release

 

[Felix123BU]

Check if it's build 22000.194 in Srttings, System, About. That is the RTM release

Thanks, that it is, 22000.194, was not sure since I could get the ISO half a day earlier from Microsoft.

I sort of like Win 11, was a bit hesitant at first, but the UI is clean, much better than W10, and the AutoHDR is great, that was the main reason for my day 0 installation.
First clean install went bust, MS apps where weirdly missing, second install was perfect, advanced version of "turn it off and on"

 

[ElMoi]

How to change from Windows 11 insider build to the newest release W11?
Do i need a fresh install if i want the new version of Windows 11 that came 5/10/2021?

 

[FireFox]

How to change from Windows 11 insider build to the newest release W11?
Do i need a fresh install if i want the new version of Windows 11 that came 5/10/2021?

You can do a fresh install or update, up to you.

 

[windwhirl]

How to change from Windows 11 insider build to the newest release W11?
Do i need a fresh install if i want the new version of Windows 11 that came 5/10/2021?

You can change that in the Windows update section.

If you are in Dev, you should have done the change to Beta a month or so ago, so you'll have do a clean install.

If you're on Beta, you should be able to switch to at least Release Preview or unenroll the device.

 

[ElMoi]

You can change that in the Windows update section.
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If you are in Dev, you should have done the change to Beta a month or so ago, so you'll have do a clean install.

If you're on Beta, you should be able to switch to at least Release Preview or unenroll the device.

I actually get out the WIP (changed my mind too late not to install W11, but anyway Windows 10 update my Pc to 11, could not stop it, and now i'm afraid am stuck forever in the WIP version. Guess a fresh Windows 11 is the only option i got. The system doesn't have that options or sub menu to do any change, thanks for your help.

 

[Splinterdog]

I'd like to take a moment to express Thanks and gratitude to everyone who has participated in and contributed to this thread over the last few months. We've had a great amount of fun and have learned a lot!

That said, my testing is complete. Windows 11 in it's current form(requirements and limitations bypassed) is able to function in every way that is needed to meet the security specifications I require. Will be converting all of the systems in this home over to Windows 11. Windows 10 can go were it and 8/8.1 have always belonged, in the garbage.

For the life of me I can't see how Windows 10 can be compared to Windows 8/8.1 and it certainly doesn't belong in the garbage.
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but as I see it, Windows 10 rescued us from the holy mess that was Windows 8. Remember trying to find your way around Win 8 when it first booted up, not to mention trying to actually shut it down?
I do and I also remember how pleased I was when Win 10 turned up and frankly, Windows 11 is simply a reskinned Windows 10, in my opinion.

 

[AAF Optimus]

Does anybody definitively know if there is a version number difference between the Windows 11 Iso you can download now and the update from Win 10 via updates?

I installed W11 with a clean install with the ISO, I have 10.0.22000 Build 22000, is this the current version for mortals, or? Read a lot of pages here, could not find a clear answer.

 

[GerKNG]

i am going back to windows 10 today.
windows 11 "works" but beside the AMD issues there is no reason to use it.
it looks weird, i hate the new explorer with its weird icons instead of text based commands like copy, cut, paste, delete etc.

and the biggest features like direct storage are not even here. and they have to be specifically implemented into games. and i am really afraid that microsoft decides to enforce VBS in the future.

Windows 10 it is until Windows 12 comes out.

Edit:
and for an unknown reason does it take a lot longer to copy a folder with tons of small files.
my Cinebench folder has around 13000 pieces of data.
on windows 10 it takes around 10 seconds. on windows 11 almost 30.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I am curious why isn't W11 asking me for a genuine key and it's still actived with the old beta generic key

On the Home install I did last night on my Dell Vostro, it didn't even ask for a key, which is very different from the beta build. And it is Activated(?!?). This was microsoft's own iso used for install. Perhaps setup saw the embedded key in the Dell BIOS and auto-installed it?

If you dont like the new explorer context menu then it has an easy way to change to how it is in windows 10. It works on the new released windows 11 iso.

Here is the link https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/how-to/windows-11-classic-context-menus

Oh hell no. I hate the ribbons menu with a firey passion.

Benchmarked: Do Windows 11’s Security Features Really Hobble Gaming Performance?

How much do they hurt, and how to opt out.

www.tomshardware.com

Take it with a grain of salt but more or less matches what I have seen on my system.

Tom's tested Intel's 10700K and 11700K and AMD's 3800X and 5800X.

TLDR: Intel's 10th and 11th generation CPUs and AMD's Zen 2/3 CPUs tank about 5% average on gaming, with some games a little higher and others a little lower (with GTA V on DX11 being the weird one that barely tanked 1% on all tested CPUs). 3DMark seem to tank even less, the difference might as well be non-existent, though VRMark seems to go back to around 5% performance hit.

Average application performance tanks very little on AMD. Zen 3's performance is virtually unaffected, and Zen 2 takes a mere 1% hit on average. On Intel, the 11th gen takes barely 1% hit, but 10th gen takes a bit of a larger hit, 4%.

All of those values are averages, you'd better check out Tom's article if you want more details.

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Figures I'll add this here too

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-400

Windows® 11 Performance Variation in Certain Applications on Compatible AMD Processors​

Article Number
PA-400
This documentation provides information on known performance impacts reported on Windows® 11 when running compatible AMD processors on certain applications.

Issue Description​

AMD and Microsoft have determined that compatible AMD processors may exhibit reduced performance in certain applications when running Windows® 11.

Known Performance Changes​	Impact​	Resolution​
Measured and functional L3 cache latency may increase by ~3X.	Applications sensitive to memory subsystem access time may be impacted. Expected performance impact of 3-5% in affected applications, 10-15% outliers possible in games commonly used for eSports.	A Windows update is in development to address this issue with expected availability in October of 2021.
UEFI CPPC2 (“preferred core”) may not preferentially schedule threads on a processor’s fastest core.	Applications sensitive to the performance of one or a few CPU threads may exhibit reduced performance. Performance impact may be more detectable in >8-core processors above 65W TDP.	A software update is in development to address this issue with expected availability in October of 2021.

Additional Information and Workaround​

AMD and Microsoft are actively investigating these known issues for resolution via software updates. This knowledge base article will be updated to include version numbers and delivery vehicle(s) when they are available. In the interim, customers using compatible AMD processors affected by these issues may continue to use a supported version of Windows® 10.

Please note:
For those of us who bypass TPM/SecureBoot, these hits to performance are not a factor because VBS & HVCI do not and can not run without TPM. Yet another reason to bypass: Keep gaming performance up!

 

[windwhirl]

VBS & HVCI do not and can not run without TPM.

Actually they can, they're features not depending on TPM (that's for stuff like credential guard),but rather processor capabilities. But now I hear Windows doesn't have VBS enabled by default on clean installs (plus OEMs are not enabling it completely either), so I'm not sure in which scenarios Windows 11 has fully enabled VBS/HVCI by default.

However, since these probably depend on virtualization being enabled in the BIOS, you could probably force them off by disabling virtualization at UEFI level (though that might be quite the annoyance if you use VMs)

Also, the AMD issue I posted right below doesn't depend on VBS, it's generalized on RTM builds. But should be fixed with next week's patch.

 

[theFOoL]

Hence why Linus is moving to Linux... = M$ Lame for their nonsense