Windows 11 General Discussion

tabascosauz · Oct 21, 2021

freeagent said:
Yes it is hammering all of my cores too, she gets pretty toasty.. but its nice to see her stretch her legs a little.. I just have the regular not an insider install, and it runs games just fine. Also probably the reason why I couldn't run +200 reliably with 11.. if the schedular is pretending to be the new guy.

Might be some lower ranked core already having previously unstable CO but previously never stressed so never exposed instability? +200 only raises the global ceiling so only affects cores that can actually hit 5150.

Still haven't seen the 10-15% performance claims. Perhaps 3080/3090 is needed? On my end it just looks like another day in AIDA land where its wacky bugs not representative of performance anywhere else.

freeagent · Oct 21, 2021

Time for

Cant focus enough to write the reply I had :laugh:

Solaris17 · Oct 21, 2021

tabascosauz said:
The new subtler Windows sounds alone are much more acceptable for me. The old 10 disconnect/connect/UAC/login sounds are so jarring and honestly freaking annoying.

Yes, I very much like the soft approach.

My experiences with windows 11 thus far are great really. The changes and things I was most apprehensive about turned out to be non-issues; or simply small enough that I got used to the change.

I thankfully use all sorts of different OSs for work, so im used to different, but even still the changes in 11 as far as usability havent been as monumental as early articles suggested. Thats a good thing for those that want to give it a shot.

I put windows 11 as a evolution rather than a replacement, and overall a good one.

thesmokingman · Oct 21, 2021

Downloading the iso now. Though I'm still on the fence about installing. I know I have a spare nvme around here somewhere...

Mussels · Oct 21, 2021

Oh btw the one CPU with the 15% loss was the 3700x, on default 65W settings. I think the 2700x was next most affected (latency between the two CCX's skyrocketing at times)
Thing is, the lower results didn't happen 100% of the time, so the overall loss in performance was really hard to notice. You had to run and rerun benches and save the slowest results.

GerKNG said:
reading through the last 5 pages convinced me to stay away from W11

22000.282 is on the release preview channel, if betas are unsuitable.
It was only an issue in synthetic benches, but worth finding and fixing.

Oh and god yes the little changes matter. The better multi monitor support, the way you can split 4 windows onto a monitor instead of 2 by dragging to corners, the softer sounds...
A super basic user goes "they're the same!" but there's a lot of subtle improvements

phanbuey · Oct 21, 2021

tabascosauz said:
Might be some lower ranked core already having previously unstable CO but previously never stressed so never exposed instability? +200 only raises the global ceiling so only affects cores that can actually hit 5150.

Still haven't seen the 10-15% performance claims. Perhaps 3080/3090 is needed? On my end it just looks like another day in AIDA land where its wacky bugs not representative of performance anywhere else.

It's in stuff like Shadow of The Tomb Raider bench -CPU game and random other benches where you're already pulling north of 200FPS. With a tuned 5900x I doubt you would ever see it without a spreadsheet and some science. That poor soul with a 3950x / 3900x with a 3080/90 will feel it quite a bit though, like going back from zen 2 to zen+.

Flanker · Oct 21, 2021

Sooooooo I still haven't got the upgrade option from Windows Update yet. It just says I'm eligible. I guess they still have some issues to sort out. Oh well not in a hurry.

Mussels · Oct 21, 2021

phanbuey said:
It's in stuff like Shadow of The Tomb Raider bench -CPU game and random other benches where you're already pulling north of 200FPS. With a tuned 5900x I doubt you would ever see it without a spreadsheet and some science. That poor soul with a 3950x / 3900x with a 3080/90 will feel it quite a bit though, like going back from zen 2 to zen+.

My brother has an ITX build with a 3700x and 3080, and he couldn't tell the difference going from 10 to the "bad" build of 11, playing GR: breakpoint with me

tabascosauz · Oct 21, 2021

phanbuey said:
It's in stuff like Shadow of The Tomb Raider bench -CPU game and random other benches where you're already pulling north of 200FPS. With a tuned 5900x I doubt you would ever see it without a spreadsheet and some science. That poor soul with a 3950x / 3900x with a 3080/90 will feel it quite a bit though, like going back from zen 2 to zen+.

I'll have to test a wider variety of stuff. So far CPU benches do score visibly lower but it's in the 1-2% range. My last foray into the SoTTR thread left a bit of a sour taste. All I know is that the L3 patch has posted no improvements in CPU and memory benches so far, so hope the perf comes back some other way.

Though I can imagine the lower in-game CPU clocks must be penalized somewhere so deep down I'm not surprised by 10-15%. BUt the frametimes are good if not better so barring major avg fps penalties I'd say it's still a positive experience.

Only major hiccup is that I can't reliably alt-tab in csgo. I play 4:3 stretched so alt-tab was always a bit of a chore but 11 often refuses to switch back into the game once tabbed out.

windwhirl · Oct 21, 2021

Flanker said:
Sooooooo I still haven't got the upgrade option from Windows Update yet. It just says I'm eligible. I guess they still have some issues to sort out. Oh well not in a hurry.

Patience. The upgrade offer could show up next week or next year.

lexluthermiester · Oct 21, 2021

Flanker said:
Sooooooo I still haven't got the upgrade option from Windows Update yet. It just says I'm eligible. I guess they still have some issues to sort out. Oh well not in a hurry.

Just fresh install. Back up all your important files, download the ISO with the Windows 11 Media Creation Tool and install that way. Make sure you have your Windows 10 CDKey ready or buy a new Windows 11 CDKey. Then you don't have to wait. That process will take you a few hours or a day at most.

ThrashZone · Oct 21, 2021

Flanker said:
Sooooooo I still haven't got the upgrade option from Windows Update yet. It just says I'm eligible. I guess they still have some issues to sort out. Oh well not in a hurry.

Hi,
Yeah there's really not enough difference from win-10 to jump on 11 atm unless you're just bored or something

Think most the fuss is about ms saying people can't have it so it makes people want it more lol
11 being faster well I've yet to notice any real different there either from 10 I haven't ran any benchmarks on x299 rig to see what they show.

z490 rig just got freed up and found a ssd to use so I may upgrade it Friday.... and see what's up I won't clean install x299 upgrade went just fine.

lexluthermiester · Oct 21, 2021

skellattarr said:
I think they are having a hard time fixing the CPU problem it might take a while

Nope, they already have a fix and it's been pushed out to the Insider builds. It seems to be working as intended. It'll go live for mainstream soon.

Hypnotized621 · Oct 21, 2021

Hey guys, should I join the Beta or release preview channel?

Mr Bill · Oct 21, 2021

Solaris17 said:
My experiences with windows 11 thus far are great really. I put windows 11 as a evolution rather than a replacement, and overall a good one.

I agree! my experience has been the same.

windwhirl · Oct 21, 2021

Hypnotized621 said:
Hey guys, should I join the Beta or release preview channel?

Why do you want to join either channel? That's a more important question.

lexluthermiester · Oct 21, 2021

Hypnotized621 said:
Hey guys, should I join the Beta or release preview channel?

windwhirl said:
Why do you want to join either channel? That's a more important question.

Exactly. What would be the purpose? The dev builds are for testing and experimentation, not for daily use.

outpt · Oct 21, 2021

did w11 regular update method and l3 cache acting like it should. not that i could tell any difference any way

theFOoL · Oct 21, 2021

Isn't Beta the Final release per say?

lexluthermiester · Oct 21, 2021

theFOoL said:
Isn't Beta the Final release per say?

For 22000.194 that was true. But the beta has been branched off already.

theFOoL · Oct 21, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
For 22000.194 that was true. But the beta has been branched off already.

DL'ing WiN11 now on my 1.9MB connection says 1H30M lol poor where I live

windwhirl · Oct 21, 2021

theFOoL said:
Isn't Beta the Final release per say?

Like Lex said, Beta is branched off. You can expect to get a build up to a month in advance of said build reaching general availability, and it might get changed along the way to GAC (basically, if someone reports an issue and supposing it gets looked at in time, Microsoft might not push said build to GAC or Release Preview at all and instead try to fix it in a different Beta build which will then be pushed to RPC and/or GAC if no glaring issues are reported)

Hypnotized621 · Oct 21, 2021

windwhirl said:
Why do you want to join either channel? That's a more important question.

because I like my computer stable. Sorry I'm not a hardcorez tech tester with a virgin badge for IT and years of experience plugging in printers for old people.

lexluthermiester · Oct 21, 2021

Hypnotized621 said:
because I like my computer stable. Sorry I'm not a hardcorez tech tester with a virgin badge for IT and years of experience plugging in printers for old people.

No worries. No harm in asking. If you are worried about the Ryzen L3 cache thing, the fix is in the beta channel now, being tested and should be live for mainstream channel next week.

windwhirl · Oct 21, 2021

Hypnotized621 said:
because I like my computer stable.

Then don't join either channel, remain in General Availability Channel (in other words, stay out of Windows Insider).

Hypnotized621 said:
Sorry I'm not a hardcorez tech tester with a virgin badge for IT and years of experience plugging in printers for old people.

No need for the passive-agressive exasperation, though.

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