Would a Ryzen 1600 (AF) be a worthy upgrade from a 3200g

[Jose Jeswin]

the windows insider will show'this does not meet minimum requirements for windows 11' message...

Well the ryzen 3200G is supported...why change from a supported to an unsupported cpu?..

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well the ryzen 3200G is supported...why change from a supported to an unsupported cpu?..

I wasn't aware the 3200g was supported. However, again, it's not important as the limitations can be bypassed.

 

[Jose Jeswin]

only tpm requirement can be bypassed..not unsupported cpu..

 

[newtekie1]

It would be an upgrade, but I don't think it would be a worthy upgrade. Yeah, you are gaining 2 cores and SMT, but you're losing a good amount of clock speed. If it was me, I would save the money and go for something better than the 1600(AF) like a 3600.

 

[Jose Jeswin]

its the reason i am upgrading from a 1600 AF to a Ryzen 5 3500..

 

[lexluthermiester]

only tpm requirement can be bypassed..not unsupported cpu..

That is completely incorrect as demonstrated below.

While this was a pic intended for another thread it will prove a point here just fine. You'll notice the CPU listed at the bottom. A Xeon W3680 is not a supported CPU and yet Windows 11 is running on it, perfectly.

The limitations & requirements microsoft has stated are completely artificial and are easily bypassed.

Is the minimum requirement for Ryzen a Matisse for Windows 11?! Are all 2nd gens perm-banned?

Whether they are or not is unimportant, the bypass works fine.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Is the minimum requirement for Ryzen a Matisse for Windows 11?! Are all 2nd gens perm-banned?

 

[Jose Jeswin]

please check windows update-windows insider page..

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Ima

Whether they are or not is unimportant, the bypass works fine.

get the Ryzen 1600 and deal with the lack of clocks
and just ride windows 10 to EOL and then upgrade when nesssesary
Or bypass the restrictons Ive already done it its not too hard

 

[Jose Jeswin]

you will get the above error message for ryzen 1600AF..

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Cool
thanks for telling me
However its not impossible to get around this

you will get the above error message for ryzen 1600AF..

I mean the confusing thing is the 3200G and the 1600AF are the same Arch if im not wrong ZEN +

Does anyone know how much performance i will actually lose due to the lower clock
What kind of workloads would it show up in?

 

[Jose Jeswin]

AMD Processor list for windows 11

These are the officially supported processors....since microsoft has dropped support for all first gen ryzen processors, Ryzen 5 1600 AF which is technically a ZEN+ lost support..

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

These are the officially supported processors....since microsoft has dropped support for all first gen ryzen processors, Ryzen 5 1600 AF which is technically a ZEN+ lost support..

But the 3200g is also a Zen+ as far as i know

ANYWAY
this threads been drailed a bit
Can we get back on topic of?
Does anyone know how much performance i will actually lose due to the lower clock
What kind of workloads would it show up in?

 

[tabascosauz]

But the 3200g is also a Zen+ as far as i know

ANYWAY
this threads been drailed a bit
Can we get back on topic of?
Does anyone know how much performance i will actually lose due to the lower clock
What kind of workloads would it show up in?

3200G/3400G is technically Zen+, but iirc it suffers the usual APU penalty just like 4750G (2x4MB) vs. 3700X (32MB) and 5700G (16MB) vs. 5800X (32MB) etc. 4MB is not a lot of L3, even if it's advertised at "up to 4.2GHz". When it comes to gaming performance there's always been a gap between APUs and CPUs of the same arch.

Needed to do a bit of digging since direct comparisons are rare, but the 2600 vs. 3400G on Anandtech bench is pretty one-sided in favour of the 2600 for games. In the Techspot 1600AF review, 1600AF and 2600 have pretty much the exact same FPS results in a number of AAA games - they are testing with a 2080 Ti granted, but the results are identical even at 1080p say in BFV. Even with the boost speed deficit, 1600AF is a lower clocked 2600 after all.

Benchmark performance is about the same............but that's the case for just about all Ryzen APUs, they look good in synthetic benchmarks and fall behind in games with a dGPU. I don't think you'll lose any performance compared to the 3200G, it looks like the 4MB L3 really hurts the APU. But how much more perf you gain is dependent on your GPU and what you play.

Bottom line, it's certainly stronger on productivity workloads, but I'm not sure I'd make the upgrade if you don't need the cores. Both are pretty dated, save your money if you don't need to spend.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

The

cores

only reason i think i need the cores are a lot of games are pushing the cpu really hard (High 90s to pinned) while playing the game
and some games are almost unplayable (watch dogs 2 BFV)
and some games have the odd Hickup (Horzion 4 WRC9 Motosport 7 Satisfactory)
While my gpu 1060 is often not at 100 percent while my cpu is
and i wanna make this better

 

[Jose Jeswin]

BTW i have a Ryzen 3 3200G PC running with 16 gb ram....Works perfectly fine for casual gaming and normal day to day usage.. IMHO, staying with the 3200G is a better option...I got a Ryzen 3500 as a hand me down from a friend.. so i am trying to upgrade my ryzen 5 1600 AF system.... If you have the budget for a better processor like the ryzen 5 3600 or 5600 it would be a worthy upgrade..

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

MHO, staying with the 3200G is a better option

As i have said 4 times in this thread
My cpu is getting pinned in games
I need more cpu but i dont have a whole lota money to spend

 

[newtekie1]

While my gpu 1060 is often not at 100 percent while my cpu is

A GTX 1060 should definitely not be outpacing a 3200G unless you just have the settings cranked all the way down and are playing at 720p.

Are you sure your 3200G is boosting to full speed under load? You should be seeing close to 4GHz when playing a game.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Are you sure your 3200G is boosting to full speed under load? You should be seeing close to 4GHz when playing a game.

its running to 3.8ghz

A GTX 1060 should definitely not be outpacing a 3200G unless you just have the settings cranked all the way down and are playing at 720p.

They often are up near high 1080P
if its not high its because the cpus struggling

 

[oxrufiioxo]

At some point you are just gonna have to save or pull the trigger if 209 AUD is the best you can do for a long time it is going to be a while before there are better options in that price range the 3600 is 70% more expensive and the 5600X is 103% more expensive..... AM5 is coming late next year but DDR5 is likely to cost more for 16GB than a 1600AF by itself... So what you likely would be gambling is the 3600 or 5600 coming down into your price range and only you can make that call if its worth waiting, could be a 12-24 months wait

The 1600AF is better than what you have if you had a 3400G it would probably be more bearable but you don't so here we are, whatever you decide I hope it works well for you.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Given the small amount of Money i have for gaming
And how much my 3200g is struggling
I thinka ima jump to the 1600AF
Thx for all da help

 

[Caring1]

Does anyone know how much performance i will actually lose due to the lower clock
What kind of workloads would it show up in?

My guess is you won't lose a thing but will likely gain due to the extra cores and threads, even if they are slightly slower.

its the reason i am upgrading from a 1600 AF to a Ryzen 5 3500..

Are you sure that is an upgrade?
It's the same chip as a 3600 without SMT.

 

[Jose Jeswin]

My guess is you won't lose a thing but will likely gain due to the extra cores and threads, even if they are slightly slower.


Are you sure that is an upgrade?
It's the same chip as a 3600 without SMT.

Well...the 1600 AF system is an intermittently used one.... and as i have mentioned before, the the only reason i am upgrading is because i got the ryzen 3500 for free....otherwise i wouldn't change anything on the ryzen 1600 AF system.....it is paired with a RX 570 gpu and works great for my steam games..

BTW, is SMT that important for games?...

 

[lexluthermiester]

BTW, is SMT that important for games?...

Depends on the game.

 

[Mussels]

My Local tech shop has one of these going for a mere 200 aud
and on paper it seems quite a bit better with 2 more pysical cores + hyperthreading
On a side note would this chip OFICALLY support windows 11?
would my a320m-h be able to run this fine?

They're both Zen+, so same generation

the 1600AF has two more cores, a ton more cache, more PCI-E lanes and no IGP. No, it doesnt officially work with W11, you need zen2 or newer.
The 1600AF is also pretty power efficient, so its not an issue on an A320 board.

The limits to the Insider program are not the same as the regular builds. My antique dual core 4th gen i7 laptop is running 11 and getting updates just fine, with a retail release and no insider.

Oh as for SMT, i tested with and without recently and lost a lot of performance without it for odd reasons: I dont think it's that the games use the SMT, it's more than the OS can put low priority background tasks to them, freeing the real cores for the priority stuff like games.

Oh, gamersnexus pretty much says "yes yes yes upgrade that shit"

Getting nearly double the FPS in a few titles, albeit with a 2080ti