Intel Arc Alchemist Xe-HPG Graphics Card with 512 EUs Outperforms NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti

[AleksandarK]

Intel's Arc Alchemist discrete lineup of graphics cards is scheduled for launch this quarter. We are getting some performance benchmarks of the DG2-512EU silicon, representing the top-end Xe-HPG configuration. Thanks to a discovery of a famous hardware leaker TUM_APISAK, we have a measurement performed in the SiSoftware database that shows Intel's Arc Alchemist GPU with 4096 cores and, according to the report from the benchmark, just 12.8 GB of GDDR6 VRAM. This is just an error on the report, as this GPU SKU should be coupled with 16 GB of GDDR6 VRAM. The card was reportedly running at 2.1 GHz frequency. However, we don't know if this represents base or boost speeds.

When it comes to actual performance, the DG2-512EU GPU managed to score 9017.52 Mpix/s, while something like NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti managed to get 8369.51 Mpix/s in the same test group. Comparing these two cards in floating-point operations, Intel has an advantage in half-float, double-float, and quad-float tests, while NVIDIA manages to hold the single-float crown. This represents a 7% advantage for Intel's GPU, meaning that Arc Alchemist has the potential for standing up against NVIDIA's offerings.


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[Caring1]

That's comparing Cuda to Open CL.
Does the Intel GPU even have Cuda capabilities?

 

[Fouquin]

If I recall, FP32 is still the most important metric for game performance today. So we're not really looking at a win on that front. General compute performance does look decent.

Does the Intel GPU even have Cuda capabilities?

99.99% sure it does not. CUDA is programmed to each core design, and unless Intel is going to get away with copying nVidia's core architecture it's not going to be compatible.

 

[Crackong]

All talk no action

 

[Fouquin]

All talk no action

Sir, this is a leak. Not a press release.

 

[Dristun]

I mean, if you clock Alder Lake's iGPU to 2.2ghz and try to roughly extrapolate, you'd get in the same ballpark. It definitely should be on par with 3070 (at least outside raytracing) if Intel didn't crap the bed with driver support.

 

[The Quim Reaper]

Unfortunately, The better this top end GPU performs, the worse the scalping will be.

 

[Vayra86]

Bla bla bla... no power figures (eh, Raja?) and 2.1 Ghz ('Poor' Pascal 12nm level clocks ) plus a high number in a metric nobody cares about, GPGPU hasn't been a thing for gaming since 2013.

But at least it runs.

I mean, if you clock Alder Lake's iGPU to 2.2ghz and try to roughly extrapolate, you'd get in the same ballpark. It definitely should be on par with 3070 (at least outside raytracing) if Intel didn't crap the bed with driver support.

Exactly. So far all I see is Intel baking very large IGPs on a separate chip, much like what's been seen of Xe in its budget configs up until this point (the obviously rebranded Intel IGP).

That's why they had such a quick run of those 4P slabs of sand but no useful numbers to go with it apart from the amount of hardware inside.

Look! We have a chip!

See, this here, is a chip! We also created a great backdrop so I look better today

Look, its still a chip! We also painted the walls & mopped the floor this time:

Todays' update:

Look, we have a chip and it produces some numbers!

 

[Hyderz]

Pretty cool news, good to see intel gpu is shaping up well, but i think if they were to release soon say 4-6 months time.
Nvidia and Amd might have the next gen lined up ready to snatch sales away from intel.
I wonder what is taking intel so long to release these gpu?
Could it be drivers, software compatibility, hardware?

 

[btarunr]

Not too shabby for a first-attempt at high-end.

RTX 3070 Ti is plenty fast, and if this card can beat it, it puts NVIDIA and AMD on notice. Intel has the money to pull off even faster cards.

 

[Hyderz]

Not too shabby for a first-attempt at high-end.

RTX 3070 Ti is plenty fast, and if this card can beat it, it puts NVIDIA and AMD on notice. Intel has the money to pull off even faster cards.

It could be intel stirring the community with (hey we have some powerful gpu that can compete with nvidia and amd).
But not actually releasing any of it due to limited resource/ material in the world's current state with pandemic and what not.

Save money on production and use it for the next gen to compete with amd and nvidia

 

[Metroid]

This is good, if Intel releases it now then will be one more reason gpu prices will crash very hard, the main reason is crypto is crashing, so manipulators in asia will not do whatever they want with gpu prices. I wished Intel came much earlier, so all this scalping and gpu overprice would not exist to such extent. Those people that manipulate gpu prices earned good money, with Intel coming soon, this manipulation will be much much less.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Still after this the iconic no driver meme will have an update... no matter the raw performance.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

he DG2-512EU GPU managed to score 9017.52 Mpix/s, while something like NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti managed to get 8369.51 Mpix/s in the same test group.

Giggity.. Also, Surprised look!

 

[wolf]

meaning that Arc Alchemist has the potential for standing up against NVIDIA's offerings.

Meaning that if Arc delivers what this report claims it might, it stands up also against AMD offerings, why only mention NVIDIA? Sure it seems it would trounce the mighty 6500XT, but a RX6800 or so might give it a run for its money...

 

[silentbogo]

That's comparing Cuda to Open CL.
Does the Intel GPU even have Cuda capabilities?

Of course it does not have CUDA capabilities - it's proprietary.
But it does not make it any less promising or impressive. OpenCL has a wa-a-a-ay more significant overhead, so if it manages to match RTX 3070Ti running same code in CUDA, it means it may be even faster if Intel's OneAPI picks up along with bare metal GPGPU libraries.

The main issue is this:

Spoiler

 

[gasolina]

still no gaming benchmark, no fps show, no graphic settings or whatsoever . This is 70% dead on arrival , since raja did his best is the vega 64 and he got kicked out of amd, raja more like a marketing stunt person from what he pulls at intel. Intel just like amd back then when amd bought ati and went down hill , intel just gets back on track with alder lake though the next coming raptor lake is more interesting than this intel gpu. I'm skeptical about intel gpu since if it's good they already show it not by delaying time after time and big IF it catch performance of amd/nvidia the price should be 80-90% of what nvidia and amd offering anything sell like hot cake even the trash 6500xt / 6600 pretty much consumer will chew any trash gpu threw at them.

 

[Chrispy_]

Intel has used up all of its "hype" passes by now, and then some.

The have a GPU "coming soon" that outperforms something upper-midrange currently on the market.

I've seen that line above half a dozen times in the last 3 years.

At this point Intel needs to deliver a product to customers like they said they were going to do in 2019 and demo'd running at CES 2020.

Here we are in 2022, another CES been and gone, no DG2 launch yet, no dGPU available at retail yet, more smoke and mirrors bullshit.

At this point, only an official launch with samples and final retail drivers sent to the usual independent reviewers will convince me that Intel has finally made a real dGPU.

 

[Crackong]

Sir, this is a leak. Not a press release.

Gentleman

At this point everybody and their dog knows Intel "leaks" are not leaks but Intel PR marketing stunt.

 

[Assimilator]

Seriously TPU, fuck off with this clickbait. The real title should be:

Intel Arc Alchemist Xe-HPG Graphics Card with 512 EUs Outperforms NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti In Completely Irrelevant Synthetic Benchmarks​

Game benchmarks are all that matters, anything else is clickbait. Stop publishing clickbait.

 

[Fouquin]

At this point everybody and their dog knows Intel "leaks" are not leaks but Intel PR marketing stunt.

I guarantee you they'd rather not have attention on HPG in this way. They want the narrative controlled to their side, not this ambiguous trash that produces such negative responses. For the record ALL of these companies are working against leaks like this. They don't like when information gets out without an official statement to accompany it.

 

[EzioAs]

I guarantee you they'd rather not have attention on HPG in this way. They want the narrative controlled to their side, not this ambiguous trash that produces such negative responses. For the record ALL of these companies are working against leaks like this. They don't like when information gets out without an official statement to accompany it.

You're too rational. I don't think that's accepted here.

 

[usiname]

Well, Radeon VII score more at this benchark than RTX 3090, but does it matter?

 

[Imouto]

If I recall, FP32 is still the most important metric for game performance today. So we're not really looking at a win on that front. General compute performance does look decent.

When talking about Intel I'm pretty sure the most important metric is the drivers unless you are on Linux.

 

[Punkenjoy]

When talking about Intel I'm pretty sure the most important metric is the drivers unless you are on Linux.

It is for all vendors. Even Kaja say Hardware is easy, Drivers is hard.

At least the hardware, you are done at some point, the drivers, you always need to invest time in it.

AMD fine wine was just AMD taking more time to optimize their drivers. They are getting better at it these days but in the past, day launch drivers were not super good.

But those numbers say nothing. Theorical performance don't mean much in game. The workload is so different. It's even different between games.