What is going on with the Ryzen 5 3600/3600X line of CPUs ?

[sith'ari]

As anyone can see from my profile-signature , i use a Ryzen 7 3700X , so seeing Greg Salazar's youtube video stating that so far he has encountered 3 dead Ryzen 5 3600/3600X CPUs ,made me feel very nervous!!
As i already commented in his youtube video , in my PC-building history(for myself / familly /friends) , i never encountered a bad CPU ,so seeing someone who finds 3 dead CPUs within a year that makes this kind of content seems super-scary ,and makes me wondering about the longevity of my own CPU.
i have experience with loooots of CPUs since besides my own CPUs ,over the years i have troubleshooted PCs for many of my friends/familly members ,and as i said i never encountered a dead CPU (AMD nor Intel) , and so these 3 dead CPUs from the same line are certainly alarmingnews for me.

 

[GreiverBlade]

i run a 3600 since some month, but i doubt i will see that issue (scary that rig is also running a MSI Armor graphic card like i do ) although it would be no biggies since i got that 3600 for free from a friend and plan on taking a 5700X later in the next months, seeing prices lower than what was announced for them (around 189chf and 259chf) which is odd for my country...

the only issue i had with my current rig was with non QVL RAM that i attempted to recycle from the old rig

 

[X71200]

Bullshit, this is the kind of nonsense you can smell from 5000 miles away.

My 3600 has been nothing short of a good little CPU. It's actually one of the more reliable CPUs with the low TDP.

 

[tabascosauz]

As anyone can see from my profile-signature , i use a Ryzen 7 3700X , so seeing Greg Salazar's youtube video stating that so far he has encountered 3 dead Ryzen 5 3600/3600X CPUs ,made me feel very nervous!!
As i already commented in his youtube video , in my PC-building history(for myself / familly /friends) , i never encountered a bad CPU ,so seeing someone who finds 3 dead CPUs within a year that makes this kind of content seems super-scary ,and makes me wondering about the longevity of my own CPU.
i have experience with loooots of CPUs since besides my own CPUs ,over the years i have troubleshooted PCs for many of my friends/familly members ,and as i said i never encountered a dead CPU (AMD nor Intel) , and so these 3 dead CPUs from the same line are certainly alarmingnews for me.

It's a sample size of 3..........these are some impressively premature fears. Think I've seen about two sudden-death 3600s over the years, didn't mean much.

And it is really a sample size of 2. Third "dead" CPU's problem is it has a partially dysfunctional UMC (S1E15 I think). Just last week I was dealing with my own 5700G RMA; board dying took out the board, RAM and parts of the CPU's SOC domain in one go. Still POSTed, but UMC/Fabric/iGPU all severely damaged. That's not 'suddenly dead for unknown reasons'.

Add to that the fact that no one really knows the whole story of what happened to these viewers' PCs.

 

[R0H1T]

Typical clickbait YTer BS

 

[sith'ari]

It's a sample size of 3..........these are some impressively premature fears. Think I've seen about two sudden-death 3600s over the years, didn't mean much.

And it is really a sample size of 2. Third "dead" CPU's problem is it has a partially dysfunctional UMC (S1E15 I think). Just last week I was dealing with my own 5700G RMA; board dying took out the board, RAM and parts of the CPU's SOC domain in one go. Still POSTed, but UMC/Fabric/iGPU all severely damaged. That's not 'suddenly dead for unknown reasons'.

Add to that the fact that no one really knows the whole story of what happened to these viewers' PCs.

It's a sample of 3 out of how many "fix or flops" has he made so far ?
He does such videos for 2 years so , without counting them i guess these kind of videos are around 40 so far.
So , his sample is 3 dead 3600/3600X CPUs out of 40 problematic PCs .
I don't know about you ,but to me this is an alarming statistic...

 

[Keullo-e]

Weird. My 3600 works like a charm..

 

[X71200]

Weird. My 3600 works like a charm..

There's nothing wrong with it, that's why. I don't know why people watch these idiots.

 

[Keullo-e]

There's nothing wrong with it, that's why. I don't know why people watch these idiots.

Though OP mentioned Greg Salazar, he's one of the best tech tubers I know.

 

[X71200]

Though OP mentioned Greg Salazar, he's one of the best tech tubers I know.

Well I'd suggest you re-consider your priorities lol. That guy is an idiot and this video is a proof of it.

 

[Keullo-e]

Well I'd suggest you re-consider your priorities lol. That guy is an idiot and this video is a proof of it.

Can't agree on this one, the guy is a comfy dude and he's not a greedy fucker.

 

[X71200]

Can't agree on this one, the guy is a comfy dude and he's not a greedy fucker.

The video is unwatchable, sorry. There ain't nothing wrong with the 3600 either. Not sure where you're coming from, this thread is a joke.

 

[Chomiq]

The video is unwatchable, sorry. There ain't nothing wrong with the 3600 either. Not sure where you're coming from, this thread is a joke.

You need to take a chill pill, seriously.

So the CPU has died, do we have any additional info on why it happened? Maybe the viewer simply used static OC with too much voltage? My 3700X is nearly 3 years old now and it's still doing perfectly fine (knock on wood).

 

[X71200]

You need to take a chill pill, seriously.

It's the truth, why are you putting the blame on me? The video screams do not watch with the acts of the individual, paid promotion and misinformation.

I can say the same for my 3900X, and I have no idea why that CPU died, and I don't care either because they're a bunch of fools. The 3600 doesn't die for no reason, there are no actual reports of this. You could argue about PBO, but it works. So what even is your point?

 

[sith'ari]

You need to take a chill pill, seriously.

So the CPU has died, do we have any additional info on why it happened? Maybe the viewer simply used static OC with too much voltage? My 3700X is nearly 3 years old now and it's still doing perfectly fine (knock on wood).

Since i also have a 3700X i hope you are right ,
... though i don't believe that people who would decide to send their PCs to Greg Salazar would be the kind of people who are knowledgeable enough to temper with such things. I believe that most of them are average users , not enthusiasts , otherwise they would spot the problem themselves.
I must have troubleshoot/built around 20 PCs for myself/familly/friends over the years , so to me a statistic of 28(*just checked the exact number) of "fix or flop" videos from which 3 of them consist of 3600/3600X CPUs which eventually died is something that bothers me , as i already said
---For my own sake (3700X), i hope i'm very wrong

 

[Chomiq]

Since i also have a 3700X i hope you are right ,
... though i don't believe that people who would decide to send their PCs to Greg Salazar would be the kind of people who are knowledgeable enough to temper with such things. I believe that most of them are average users , not enthusiasts , otherwise they would spot the problem themselves.
I must have troubleshoot/built around 20 PCs for myself/familly/friends over the years , so to me a statistic of 28(*just checked the exact number) of "fix or flop" videos from which 3 of them consist of 3600/3600X CPUs which eventually died is something that bothers me , as i already said
---For my own sake (3700X), i hope i'm very wrong

Key words here are sample size and the market share of 3600/3600X.

 

[ThaiTaffy]

My 3600x has been cooking for well over a year in my sff case using a small cryorig m9 cooler with ambients that can exceed 50°c ! It still runs like a charm, gaming, object detection, compiling code and being a tab hoarder. I'm sure I could put it under a heavier load but with the ambient temps I'd say that's a pretty good stress test for any CPU. I wouldn't go as far as clickbait but the whole point of making content is to get the audience talking and by OP's reaction to the video is say he achieved his goal.

 

[tabascosauz]

It's a sample of 3 out of how many "fix or flops" has he made so far ?
He does such videos for 2 years so , without counting them i guess these kind of videos are around 40 so far.
So , his sample is 3 dead 3600/3600X CPUs out of 40 problematic PCs .
I don't know about you ,but to me this is an alarming statistic...

This logic makes no sense.

There are 28 FoF videos in total. Not even in the same realm as the kind of volume of CPUs a large retailer or system integrator would see. A good chunk of them aren't even AMD.

A proper system integrator would see any variety of non working and working systems from what they build. Greg only gets sent broken systems, which he doesn't even build, and has next to no backstory. Of course that'll give you a skewed view of reliability......

You are really wasting your own time if you feel like you've stumbled upon some big news find of the year. Just move on with your life.

It's not even Greg who's being unreasonable. You're the one who's making a mountain out of a molehill for some odd reason. He's not clickbaiting anyone, just stating that he has 3 defective 3600s.

 

[GreiverBlade]

imho
when something is popular and in high volume (the 3600 is a absolute bang for buck banger, even by todays standard ) you often see more failure, but in the definitive end, the failure rate is the same as one product only having 1 failure and 3 time lower volume ...

for instance i doubt there are many 486DX2 33 still around ... mine failed not so long ago let say if i take 3 3600 dead for 3000 sold then my 1 486DX2 fail for, let say, hypothetically 1000 actively running (well i talk in recent year volume not total sale since launch ) make it about the same, ofc it's not a sudden death, mind you and also the 3600/3600X volume is way higher than 3000.
ok, not a good example (although it was my second Intel CPU flop, the other one was a E8500 gone *poof*, too much volts not counting the 6600k that did not OC anymore after the microcode update Intel pushed with windows update the old school Xeons PIII and other i have are fine tho i think i can still run my K6 2 if i find a mobo hehe alongside many opterons and Athlon 64 i have )

 

[sith'ari]

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It's not even Greg who's being unreasonable. You're the one who's making a mountain out of a molehill for some odd reason.

How convenient ... of course it's not even Greg , after all he is NOT Greg who is wondering through the entire video how is it possible to get 3 dead 3600/3600X CPUs and he is even wondering if he should contact AMD about that!!
Oh wait , it must have been ... me who altered the video and made it appear as if it is Greg who is wondering what's going on here with those 3600s , so of course it's not Greg's fault , it's obviously my fault !!
Well , do you have some official RMA stats that you can share , just like Derbauer did in the past on behalf of Caseking 's RMA numbers for nVIDIA's 20xx series ?
If yes then please do share , i would love to see a similar RMA stats for Ryzen 3xxx series .
if not , then until you find RMA numbers to share let me decide what is statistical important for me or not.

 

[ThaiTaffy]

Exactly
Let's look at the 3600/3600x's popularity, god know how many were sold then take into account Greg's content is now based on fixing viewers PC's ( am I remembering correctly he fell out with some manufacturers so does less reviews) how many viewers does he have? what percentage of those viewers use a 3000series ryzen the fact he's had 3 bad ones out of 1000s I'd say is pretty good if he had 3x 5950's then the failure rate must be far higher as far less of them were sold. 3 failures of one of the most popular CPUs currently about I think is far less to worry about.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Oh wait , it must have been ... me who altered the video and made it appear as if it is Greg who is wondering what's going on here with those 3600s , so of course it's not Greg's fault , it's obviously my fault !!

mmhhh ... overboard reaction again ... none of that was implied about you ... (unless you really did, did you? no? then it's fine and the quote you mention is alright.)

 

[X71200]

I don't know what some early 2080 Ti's with (probably) the video memory failing has to do with this. If you're trying to troll, you're failing at it...

 

[ThaiTaffy]

Untill Steve over at GN does an exposé on the failure rate of the 3600/3600x I'm really not going to worry about mine is what I'm trying to get at.

 

[tabascosauz]

How convenient ... of course it's not even Greg , after all he is NOT Greg who is wondering through the entire video how is it possible to get 3 dead 3600/3600X CPUs and he is even wondering if he should contact AMD about that!!
Oh wait , it must have been ... me who altered the video and made it appear as if it is Greg who is wondering what's going on here with those 3600s , so of course it's not Greg's fault , it's obviously my fault !!
Well , do you have some official RMA stats that you can share , just like Derbauer did in the past on behalf of Caseking 's RMA numbers for nVIDIA's 20xx series ?
If yes then please do share , i would love to see a similar RMA stats for Ryzen 3xxx series .
if not , then until you find RMA numbers to share let me decide what is statistical important for me or not.

What does 2080 Ti and RMA rates have to do with this? RMA can be for any one of a dozen reasons. Bad cores causing cache hierarchy, bad Fabric causing Bus/Interconnect, bad die/IHS contact due to poor QC, DOA CPU, ignorant user + lazy RMA employee, etc.

The Caseking stats had 1080 at like 7% RMA compared to 2080 Ti at 1.4%. Are you about to tell me that the 1080s out there are teetering on the brink from unknown defects? We fully knew the 2080 Ti was the one with the problem, the RMA rates still don't tell us anything.

If you remember the Ryzen 5000 DOA rate controversy, the one vendor claimed 19/320 DOA or 5% or so. Nothing became of that, it was a whole lot of nothing. Other sources had lower numbers between 2-3%. One source had Ryzen 3000 at 3% - but again, that's not even RMA rates, that's for CPUs that didn't "pass" their internal testing for whatever reason. And none of the sources are comparable because they all have different ideas of "failure"/RMA/DOA.

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