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Again - speaking to the crowd - I think we need to be careful with the use of the word "Japanese" too - and not for any political correctness reason. The use of the word "Japanese" has become a marketing "gimmick" and I think that is pretty sad. It came about years ago when cheap, electrolytic caps, particularly on motherboards, started leaking, bulging, and failing right and left. Manufacturers found a couple companies that made quality solid caps. These companies just happened to be located in Japan. If they had been located in Germany, the buzzword surely would be German instead of Japanese.

Just because a PSU, motherboard, etc. has Japanese capacitors in it, that does not automatically mean superior quality caps. Nor does the fact a cap is made in China, Taiwan, Mexico or wherever automatically mean inferior.
100% and there is no definition of "Japanese Caps" due to it being a marketing term, like you said

So which of the following can use the term "Japanese Cap"?

-company HQ in Japan
-manufacturing is in Japan
-packaging is in Japan
-raw material comes from Japan
-sales office is in Japan

answer is they all can
 
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A hat made in Japan? LOL
 

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There are two main brands AFAIK. Seasonic and Delta. Both are equally great. Just pick one.
 
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"Delta" and "great" do not belong in the same sentence, unless "not" is in there too.
 
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"Delta" and "great" do not belong in the same sentence, unless "not" is in there too.
?? Delta is out of the largest PSU manufacturers in the world and are known for making some excellent server units as well as a few consumer models. The core of their industry is going to be large mass market units for PC/laptop makers but realize they are under extremely tight financial constraints imposed by those same PC/laptops makers.

There are two main brands AFAIK. Seasonic and Delta. Both are equally great. Just pick one.
not sure what you mean by "main" brands. Delta is far larger than Seasonic and with that comes pros and cons but for the most part Delta is an OEM rather than a brand. Seasonic is more of both. There are a number of quality brands and OEMs in the industry though. Seasonic, SuperFlower, Flextronics, CWT, FSP, Great Wall, are just some companies that are more well know for OEM while brands like Corsair, EVGA, Antec, Be Quiet, are a handful of some brands that work with those OEMs to sell PSU.
 
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They may make some good server units but many, perhaps not all, but many of their OEM PC supplies rank right up with Deer.
 
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?? Delta is out of the largest PSU manufacturers in the world and are known for making some excellent server units as well as a few consumer models. The core of their industry is going to be large mass market units for PC/laptop makers but realize they are under extremely tight financial constraints imposed by those same PC/laptops makers.


not sure what you mean by "main" brands. Delta is far larger than Seasonic and with that comes pros and cons but for the most part Delta is an OEM rather than a brand. Seasonic is more of both. There are a number of quality brands and OEMs in the industry though. Seasonic, SuperFlower, Flextronics, CWT, FSP, Great Wall, are just some companies that are more well know for OEM while brands like Corsair, EVGA, Antec, Be Quiet, are a handful of some brands that work with those OEMs to sell PSU.

Yeah, I still remember Delta made Antec Signature and CP units. Those had some of the best soldering quality I've ever seen in customer PSUs, on top of excellent component choice obviously.
 
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They may make some good server units but many, perhaps not all, but many of their OEM PC supplies rank right up with Deer.
I would blame more of that on the OEM PC builders. Long ago (around 15 years ago) they used to make this Dell 305w OEM unit that a group of us would get (they were cheap off ebay) and try to push them as hard as we could. Things were built like tanks running OC AMD Athlon Windor CPUs, OC Nvidia 8800GT's, etc., efficiency and ATX spec was another matter. They also built some good PSU for Antec every now and then when Antec wants to pony up the money.
 
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I would blame more of that on the OEM PC builders.
I don't think that is a fair statement - though it is 100% true.

The blame should ALWAYS go on the OEM PC builders. They are the ones that choose the components they put inside their re-branded cases. They put their names (and reputation) on the case. Therefore, the blame goes to them.

When Corsair changed their OEM suppliers, did the OEM suppliers get the blame? No. Corsair did - and rightfully so.
 
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When Corsair changed their OEM suppliers, did the OEM suppliers get the blame? No. Corsair did - and rightfully so.
when did corsair change OEM builders?

corsair VX 450 - seasonic
corsair vx550 - CWT

corsair TX650 - seasonic
corsair TX750 & 850w - CWT

both original series were very well reviewed back in the day and those two OEMs still carry most of the water for Corsair to this day. Sure they may switch every now and then to Chicony or Great Wall (still their design) but both of those OEMs are more than capable. There is this "fanboy theory" that Corsair switched from Seasonic to CWT after the TX/VX lines but CWT was with them from day one.
 
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I don't think that is a fair statement - though it is 100% true.

The blame should ALWAYS go on the OEM PC builders. They are the ones that choose the components they put inside their re-branded cases. They put their names (and reputation) on the case. Therefore, the blame goes to them.

When Corsair changed their OEM suppliers, did the OEM suppliers get the blame? No. Corsair did - and rightfully so.

Why isn't it fair if it's entirely true? And fwiw the Delte OEM units (in Dell Precusipn towers iirc) I've encountered have been massively better than the really low end stuff.
 
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Again - speaking to the crowd - I think we need to be careful with the use of the word "Japanese" too - and not for any political correctness reason. The use of the word "Japanese" has become a marketing "gimmick" and I think that is pretty sad. It came about years ago when cheap, electrolytic caps, particularly on motherboards, started leaking, bulging, and failing right and left. Manufacturers found a couple companies that made quality solid caps. These companies just happened to be located in Japan. If they had been located in Germany, the buzzword surely would be German instead of Japanese.

Just because a PSU, motherboard, etc. has Japanese capacitors in it, that does not automatically mean superior quality caps. Nor does the fact a cap is made in China, Taiwan, Mexico or wherever automatically mean inferior.
Absolutely agree, just stating what I have observed.

but many of their OEM PC supplies rank right up with Deer.
Nothing explodes like a Deer.
 
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Is the Delta PSU manufacturer the same company that makes industrial fans?
 
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Whatever happened to PC Power and Cooling? I remember Scott Mueller highly recommended PC Power and Cooling PSU's all those years ago (when baby-AT was still a viable platform).
 
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I recall they were bought by OCZ, but OCZ went bankrupt and their PSU division was bought out by a company named FirePower Technology. I don't know if those guys are still around though. The page for PCP&C still seems to be up.
 
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OCZ went bankrupt and their PSU division was bought out by a company named FirePower Technology
OCZ was extremely shady in doing business , firepower purchased the PSU assets from bankruptcy (with Toshiba taking the rest of OCZ) for just $850k and than ran the whole thing into the ground basically using the names OCZ & PC P&C to sell off remaining units. If you go to the current web site, they haven't had a press release in five years (most PC tech companies issue a press release every time they go to the bathroom) and a number of their units are out of stock. It's a shame, the first after market PSU I purchased was a PC P&C unit.
 
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Why isn't it fair if it's entirely true?
I explained that. I will try again.

It isn't fair because it singled out one brand - as though that one brand was the only one doing it. The fact is, "ALL" factory computer makers buy many of their components from OEM suppliers. In fact, the factory computer makers (Dell, HP, Acer, Lenovo, etc.) actually manufacturer very few, if any of the components they use to make a computer. They simply "assemble" the components they have made by other suppliers. ASUS and Foxconn, for example, make many of the motherboards the big computer makers use. And of course, Dell and "ALL" the others buy their CPUs and chipsets from Intel and AMD, RAM from Micron, Samsung and a few others, and graphics primarily from NVIDIA and AMD.
when did corsair change OEM builders?
Long ago - this is pretty common knowledge. When Corsair PSUs first hit the scene, if the PSU had the Corsair logo on it, you could be sure it was a top quality supply. But they changed OEMs on their bottom tier lines. This was actually due, in part, because demand outpaced Corsair's production capability.

They were still good, reliable PSUs - but reports of an increased percentage in failure rates suggested they were not quite as good or reliable. Their top-tier lines remained, still to this day, top-tier, top quality supplies.

And to be sure, that increased failure rate was still below that of some of their competition.

WOW - I actually just freaked myself out. I did a search for corsair changes OEM suppliers and the first hit from 2014 surprised me. I must say - it still applies.
 
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WOW - I actually just freaked myself out. I did a search for corsair changes OEM suppliers and the first hit from 2014 surprised me. I must say - it still applies.

but Bill this is incorrect, as I posted above. And from your linked posted "The fact Corsair changed from Seasonic to CWT for some of their models does not in any way automatically suggest the new models are inferior" is also incorrect on the former part. They always used Seasonic & CWT on their lines, they re-organized their lines and put out newer units and lines to stay competitive in the market place. I recall them moving from CWT to Chicony and Great Wall on some units but I can't recall one specific unit that was made by Seasonic and then switched to CWT under Corsair that wasn't labeled as a new unit (i.e. TX650 to TX650 v2)

Long ago - this is pretty common knowledge
it's more like inaccurate hyperbole

e. When Corsair PSUs first hit the scene, if the PSU had the Corsair logo on it, you could be sure it was a top quality supply. But they changed OEMs on their bottom tier lines.
their bottom line was the VX line made by seasonic and CWT, they retired the line. They never switched OEMs

And to be sure, that increased failure rate was still below that of some of their competition.
So this is the heart of the issue and why people incorrectly believe Corsair "changed OEMs" and are furious with them. Corsair retired the VX line and came out with the CX & GS line. The original CX were the definition of mediocre, 30c rated, 80plus, one year warranty. The GS line was OK but overpriced against the competition. Both lines were made by CWT (who made the well reviewed VX & TX units I mentioned above). The CX line was clearly designed to be competitive with some of the junk from CM, Thermaltake, etc., who sold boatloads of these cheap PSU which could hardly even peak at their claimed wattage much less be close to any kind of ATX spec when pushed. So with everyone claiming "Corsair PSU are king" the boutique PC builders and cheap DiY builders started taking CX units that were clearing designed for office PCs/low income markets and using them as gaming PSU with expected results (oh your cheap ass fan died on a PSU with a one warranty? Totally thought it would last five years plus).

Luckily over the years the CX line has gotten much better and the current VS line is what the old CX line was meant to be. I believe Corsair was shocked and not prepared for how well the CX line sold (it's their best selling line).

Now did Corsair use their good name to enter a new cheaper market? Yes. So does EVGA, thermaltake, Antec, Cooler Master, and Seasonic (units not even made by them but carry their name) among many other brands. For some reason Corsair seems to get the most hate for it.

Does Corsair have a fiduciary responsibility to their employees and share holders to make money and generate new revenue streams? Yes

Did Corsair change OEMs from Seasonic to CWT? NO, both were there from day one and are still with them.

If you want to blame Corsair for the launch of the CX line, go ahead but I would also reiterated you have to blame pretty much every other brand out there for doing the same thing. You also need to blame the people building these gaming PCs thinking a 30c rated PSU with a one f@#$ing year warranty is a gaming PSU. You also have to blame the idiot fan boys posting everywhere back then that only Corsair PSU were real PSU that real gamers used (same crap as Seasonic today).

My personal opinion on Corsair, from a business perspective they have excellent design people, testing facilities (as in more than one lab), and customer service.
As a product, overpriced and you can probably do better unless their unit is on sale. Performance wise their lines can compete with the best brand lines out there although you may pay more for it (may be worht it to some people).
 
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Okay - it is pointless to argue with you over something that happened many years ago. It is a fact Corsair changed OEMs on some models in their lower tier lines of PSUs a few years ago. While the affected models were still better than average, it is also a fact their failure percentage rate increased after that. This was widely documented in forums, including here. If you choose not to believe it, that's your prerogative. Regardless, none of this helps the OP. So I'm moving on.
 
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Corsair RM850 is a good PSU for £93 on Amazon. At that price you'll find very little on the market that's better made or better reviewed and variants of it (previous gen, and different wattage of current gen) have been positively reviewed and given a "recommended" award by TPU - and that's significant as TPU's PSU reviewer is Aris Mpitziopoulos who runs the Cybenetics certification and testing lab. He is one of the most important PSU reviewers on the net.
 
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