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A bit late to the game compared to its competitors, MSI has finally published its product pages for three of its upcoming X670 and X670E motherboards. The three models are the MEG X670E ACE, the MPG X670E Carbon WiFi and the Pro X670-P WiFi. Earlier today we got a first hint with regards to the pricing of a couple of these boards and now we have most of the technical details with regards to the boards themselves. As with all other boardmakers, MSI hasn't revealed any information with regards to memory clocks and obviously no details about which CPUs will be supported. We already had a pretty good idea what to expect from these boards based on the details MSI released at Computex, but features like the power design weren't revealed at the time, nor did we get a very good look at the board.

The MEG X670E ACE appears to be MSI's high-end board for those that aren't interested in spending a small fortune on the Godlike board and it should cater to just about all needs. The board has a 22+2+1 phase power design and MSI is using a heatpipe as well as a stacked fin-array heatsink and a MOSFET backplate to help cool the oversized power circuitry. Other features include 10 Gbps Ethernet, although there is only one Ethernet interface, a DisplayPort 1.4 compatible USB-C 10 Gbps port (which was said to be DP 2.0 compliant at Computex), as well as two 20 Gbps USB-C ports around the back. USB4 is nowhere to be seen, but is most likely related to ASMedia being late to the game with its host controller. MSI has gone for a design where the x16 PCIe 5.0 lanes from the CPU are split between the first two PCIe x16 slots and the third slot is using four lanes of PCIe 5.0 from the CPU. The final four PCIe 5.0 lanes from the CPU are for one of the M.2 NVMe slots and the board has a further three M.2 PCIe 4.0 slots. On top of that, MSI also includes an M.2 Xpander-Z Gen5 Dual add-in card that can accept a further two PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD at the cost of eight PCIe lanes from the GPU.




The MPG X670E Carbon WiFi gets a slightly trimmed power regulation design with 18+2+1 phases and sadly loses the stacked fin-array heatsink, but does at least retain the heatpipe for the MOSFETS. MSI has also dropped the 10 Gbps Ethernet port in favour of a 2.5 Gbps port and the third PCIe x16 slot is only PCIe 4.0 on the Carbon. However, the Carbon gets two PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe slots onboard and has a further two PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe slots. IF you're looking at taking advantage of the expected integrated graphics in the upcoming Ryzen 7000-series CPUs, then this might be the board for you, as it has an HDMI 2.1 port, a DP 1.4 port and a USB-C port with DP 1.4 support. There's a second USB-C 20 Gbps port around the back as well. The MPG X670E Carbon WiFi looks like it should be a well rounded board for most people.



Finally the Pro X670-P WiFi gets a 14+2+1 power design and this time around MSI has dropped the heatpipe, although the company has still applied a rather large heatsink. MSI dropped most of the niceties on the Pro, as gone is the pre-attached I/O shield and not all M.2 slots come with heatsinks. Somewhat surprisingly, MSI includes a 20 Gbps USB-C port here and the display outputs are identical to the Carbon. This is the only board from MSI to offer up a PCIe 3.0 x1 expansion slot and as this is an X670 board, the three x16 slots are all PCIe 4.0, although the configuration is x16, x4 and x2, with none of the lanes being shared. The board has a single PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe slot and three PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVMe slots.



All three boards rely on eight-layer PCBs with two ounce copper layers. MSI has also included screwless M.2 drives installation on all boards, with the higher-end models also have screwless heatsinks on some of the M.2 slots. All three models also have a Realtek ALC408x USB audio codec, with the ACE gaining an ESS ES9280AQ DAC as well. Overall it looks like MSI is going to have a small, but pretty solid range of X670 and X670E motherboards.


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So apart from Gigabyte they seem to be only ones with product pages for nearly full stack right now. Also just like Gigabyte they have implemented proper heatsinks(finally) for primary M.2 slot.

Edit: so MSI hasnt implemented 40Gbps USB on products shown so far.
 
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Prices are getting out of control... MSI X470-A PRO 150€, MSI X570-A PRO 200€, MSI X670-A PRO 315€ and it's all basically the same board. DIY PC market is getting crewed BIG TIME.
 
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Did Msi already adopt the finned VRM heatsink on their recent mobos?

I just noticed there are no limit on DDR5 clocks.
 
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Prices are getting out of control... MSI X470-A PRO 150€, MSI X570-A PRO 200€, MSI X670-A PRO 315€ and it's all basically the same board. DIY PC market is getting crewed BIG TIME.
I wouldn't read too much into these early prices.
Based on what I was told by Gigabyte, we'll see some sub US$300 X670 boards.

Did Msi already adopt the finned VRM heatsink on their recent mobos?
Maybe not, this could indeed be a first.
 
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Prices are getting out of control... MSI X470-A PRO 150€, MSI X570-A PRO 200€, MSI X670-A PRO 315€ and it's all basically the same board. DIY PC market is getting crewed BIG TIME.
I haven't seen the X670-A anywhere so I assume you're talking about the X670-P. They're not the same board as older versions though, even if they share the same name. The VRM is massively upgraded and 8 layers instead of 6. It has 14+2+1 80A phases. That's close to top tier X570 mobos. Then add more expensive DDR5, LGA and PCIE 5.0 and voila an extra 100€.
 

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I haven't seen the X670-A anywhere so I assume you're talking about the X670-P. They're not the same board as older versions though, even if they share the same name. The VRM is massively upgraded and 8 layers instead of 6. It has 14+2+1 80A phases. That's close to top tier X570 mobos. Then add more expensive DDR5, LGA and PCIE 5.0 and voila an extra 100€.
The chipsets are cheaper than X570 though.
 
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The chipsets are cheaper than X570 though.
By how much? What is the chipset price anyway? I know Intel just lists it on their site.

I'd imagine all the added costs from everything else far outweighs the savings on this. LGA alone probably costs more than the savings from the cheaper chiset I'd like to see the BOM of an expensive mobo.
 
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Let me guess, even the lowest end boards will have 500w VRM capabilities driving the price up massively. I don't see how AMD will get any kind of price advantage over Intel if the motherboard will be even more expensive than the already superbly overpriced Z690. Sure they have B650 but I doubt that will be 80-100$ for a decent mid range board like B550/450 was.
 

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By how much? What is the chipset price anyway? I know Intel just lists it on their site.

I'd imagine all the added costs from everything else far outweighs the savings on this. LGA alone probably costs more than the savings from the cheaper chiset I'd like to see the BOM of an expensive mobo.
I don't know. However, I was told by the board makers that the pair of chipsets cost them less than X570.
AMD doesn't list the price of anything...

Well, it's no different for Intel, as they require all the same things for their most recent motherboards. At least AMD gets to ride on discounts based on higher volume of materials and components already used for Z690 boards...

Expect the likes of Gigabyte and MSI to have a 20-25% margin on their higher-end motherboards, with Asus being around 30-35%.

Let me guess, even the lowest end boards will have 500w VRM capabilities driving the price up massively. I don't see how AMD will get any kind of price advantage over Intel if the motherboard will be even more expensive than the already superbly overpriced Z690. Sure they have B650 but I doubt that will be 80-100$ for a decent mid range board like B550/450 was.
Nah, not at all. The basic B650 boards will have 8+2+1 power phase designs. The mid-range ones will be 12 or 14.
There will be some very affordable B650 launching early next year. Yes, they'll be quite feature stripped as well, but hey.
Nothing for $80-100 at launch, but sub $150 guaranteed unless the inflation has a severe knock-on effect.
 
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They have terrible specs on X670 model. Gigabyte as well. I honestly hope B650E isn't imaginary, otherwise I'll need to wait for another generation. They have boatload of M.2 slots, 2.5GbE, WiFi, ... yet skip on PCIe x16 (just one, and not even 5.0) and don't even include USB4.

If those chipset specs were correct then something like this should be possible even with B650(E):

x16 PCIe 5.0 (for GPU)
M.2 via x4 PCIe 5.0 (from CPU)
M.2 via x4 PCIe 4.0 (from B650)
USB 4 (from CPU via x4 PCIe 5.0)
2.5 GbE (via PCIe 3.0 from B650)
WiFi (via PCIe 3.0 from B650)
2x SATA (from B650)

(and a whole bunch of USB 2.0 / 3.2 Gen 2 & 2x2 incl. DP mode & type C)

And article says all 3 MBOs are 8 layer, so that means that x16 gen 5 traces don't need extra layers vs "just" gen 5 M.2
 

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They have terrible specs on X670 model. Gigabyte as well. I honestly hope B650E isn't imaginary, otherwise I'll need to wait for another generation. They have boatload of M.2 slots, 2.5GbE, WiFi, ... yet skip on PCIe x16 (just one, and not even 5.0) and don't even include USB4.

If those chipset specs were correct then something like this should be possible even with B650(E):

x16 PCIe 5.0 (for GPU)
M.2 via x4 PCIe 5.0 (from CPU)
M.2 via x4 PCIe 4.0 (from B650)
USB 4 (from CPU via x4 PCIe 5.0)
2.5 GbE (via PCIe 3.0 from B650)
WiFi (via PCIe 3.0 from B650)
2x SATA (from B650)

(and a whole bunch of USB 2.0 / 3.2 Gen 2 & 2x2 incl. DP mode & type C)

And article says all 3 MBOs are 8 layer, so that means that x16 gen 5 traces don't need extra layers vs "just" gen 5 M.2
No worries, B650 is coming next year, but some high-end B650E boards might end up costing more than low-end X670 boards.
And yes, there will be something like what you're wishing for once they launch.
 
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It's interesting to see how prices are creeping up each generation while Intel, AMD and NVIDIA have announced their quarter 2 earnings for 2022, and compared to 2021, it looks really bad and the future given the global recession casts even darker picture for 2023 earnings and beyond. Are AIBs focusing on high profit margin products on DIY market to compensate for a drop in demand at low and mid range? It's like no AIB wants to bother with sub $300 GPUs and sub $150 MBs anymore.
 
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Did Msi already adopt the finned VRM heatsink on their recent mobos?

I just noticed there are no limit on DDR5 clocks.
finned VRM heatsinks arrive to several models of X670E motherboards.
regarding DDR5 - MSI likes boasting high DDR5 support. That's not entirely surprising seeing how recent MSI memory support has been generally very good
 
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No worries, B650 is coming next year, but some high-end B650E boards might end up costing more than low-end X670 boards.
And yes, there will be something like what you're wishing for once they launch.

So they'll delay B tier boards again? Damn :(

High end B650E more expensive than low X670 seems normal, already happened with past generations.

If those chipset specs were correct then something like this should be possible even with B650(E):

x16 PCIe 5.0 (for GPU)
M.2 via x4 PCIe 5.0 (from CPU)
M.2 via x4 PCIe 4.0 (from B650)
USB 4 (from CPU via x4 PCIe 5.0)
2.5 GbE (via PCIe 3.0 from B650)
WiFi (via PCIe 3.0 from B650)
2x SATA (from B650)

I too am hoping for a maxed out no bullshit B650E board (except for USB4, I don't care for that, give me a slot or m.2 and slot off of the chipset)
 
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So they'll delay B tier boards again? Damn :(

High end B650E more expensive than low X670 seems normal, already happened with past generations.
Yeah, sometime after CES.
I too am hoping for a maxed out no bullshit B650E board (except for USB4, I don't care for that, give me a slot or m.2 and slot off of the chipset)
Bigger chance for USB4 to be honest, since the B650/E boards are in a later design cycle, so ASMedia might've finished their chipset by then.
 
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Bigger chance for USB4 to be honest, since the B650/E boards are in a later design cycle, so ASMedia might've finished their chipset by then.

The MEG and Pro-P are using the x4 lanes that were for USB4 for an extra slot, now I understand why if ASMedia doesn't have the new controller ready, maybe **fingers crossed** we also see some B650/E doing that, not all of them need USB4
 

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The MEG and Pro-P are using the x4 lanes that were for USB4 for an extra slot, now I understand why if ASMedia doesn't have the new controller ready, maybe **fingers crossed** we also see some B650/E doing that, not all of them need USB4
We'll also see USB4 add-in cards down the road.
 
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No worries, B650 is coming next year, but some high-end B650E boards might end up costing more than low-end X670 boards.
And yes, there will be something like what you're wishing for once they launch.
Yeah, sometime after CES.
I thought B650 was in October ? (every rumor i've heard in the last month has pointed at that and most board partners have already released there full B series catalog).

The only B series release i've heard tied to CES is the B760 series from intel
 

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I thought B650 was in October ? (every rumor i've heard in the last month has pointed at that and most board partners have already released there full B series catalog).

The only B series release i've heard tied to CES is the B760 series from intel
X670E and X670 next month, then from my understanding, B650 early next year.
This seems to be partially due to Intel launching Z790 sometime in October/November.
 
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We'll also see USB4 add-in cards down the road.
Yeah, they are already mentioned on the MBO pages, but I fear that add-in cards with USB4 will be more expensive path. Well, at first at least, sure, in a few years they'll get cheaper, but even Thunderbolt or USB 3.2 at 40Gbps cards are still 100€ or more.
 
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X670E and X670 next month, then from my understanding, B650 early next year.
All the quotes i'm hearing are B650 a few weeks after release. Make sense, board partners have already released the full B line-up and they need something to help bring the price down since there competitor not only has B boards available but also allows cheaper DDR4 options
This seems to be partially due to Intel launching Z790 sometime in October/November.
The problem is AMD isn't following or trying to match Raptor Lake. AMD is already at a disadvantage compared to Alderlake in gaming, IPC, motherboard options, and compute performance so i'm not buying this idea of "oh we'll just follow the raptor lake schedule and tag along with whatever there schedule is".
 
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All the quotes i'm hearing are B650 a few weeks after release. Make sense, board partners have already released the full B line-up and they need something to help bring the price down since there competitor not only has B boards available but also allows cheaper DDR4 options

The problem is AMD isn't following or trying to match Raptor Lake. AMD is already at a disadvantage compared to Alderlake in gaming, IPC, motherboard options, and compute performance so i'm not buying this idea of "oh we'll just follow the raptor lake schedule and tag along with whatever there schedule is".
What's your sources on this?
I'm talking to the motherboard manufacturers.
 
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Interesting io panel. 3 usb type c and one with a DP.

The 10G Lan probably adds a bit to the price??
 

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Video Card(s) Zotac AMP HoloBlack RTX 3080Ti 12G | 950mV 1950Mhz
Storage WD SN850 500GB (OS) | Samsung 980 Pro 1TB (Games_1) | Samsung 970 Evo 1TB (Games_2)
Display(s) Asus XG27AQM 240Hz G-Sync Fast-IPS | Gigabyte M27Q-P 165Hz 1440P IPS | Asus 24" IPS (portrait mode)
Case Lian Li PC-011D XL | Custom cables by Cablemodz
Audio Device(s) FiiO K7 | Sennheiser HD650 + Beyerdynamic FOX Mic
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Ultra Platinum 850
Mouse Razer Viper v2 Pro
Keyboard Razer Huntsman Tournament Edition
Software Windows 11 Pro 64-Bit
Where's the Unify? After building with the z690 Unify for someone else, I want one for my own rig now!
 
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