Arc A770 Ray Tracing Competitive to or Better Than the RTX 3060: Intel at IFA Berlin

[btarunr]

Intel Graphics in an interview with PC Gamer on the sidelines of the 2022 IFA Berlin, claimed that the real-time ray tracing architecture of the Xe-HPG graphics architecture in the Arc A770 "Alchemist" graphics card is "competitive or better than" the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060, and that the company plans to launch the card at an attractive price-point, to grab a slice of the very top of the gaming graphics market bell-curve. The RTX 3060 is a very successful GPU, especially with graphics card prices on the chill, and AMD is already competing with its Radeon RX 6650 XT, which can be spotted at lower prices. The RTX 3060 has been in the crosshairs of Intel Graphics marketing, in recent performance reveals for the A770.

"When you have a title that is optimized for Intel, in the sense that it runs well on DX12, you're gonna get performance that's significantly above an [RTX] 3060," said Tom Petersen with Intel Graphics. "When you have a title that is optimized for Intel, in the sense that it runs well on DX12, you're gonna get performance that's significantly above an [RTX] 3060. And this is A750 compared to a 3060, so 17%, 14%, 10%. It's going to vary of course based on the title," he said. "We're going to be a little bit faster but depending on your game and depending on your settings, it's trading blows, and that's the A750. Obviously, A770 is going to be a little bit faster. So when you add in DX11, you're gonna see our performance is a little less trading blows, and we're kind of behind in some cases, ahead in some cases, but more losses than wins at DX11," he added. While Intel is still non-committal about a launch date, although it stated that the Arc A770 and A750 will launch with an attractive "introductory pricing."



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[konga]

The TPU review of the A380 showed a similar performance fall-off to the 3050 when enabling RTX, so this is actually believable. Intel's drivers may be a trash fire, but the hardware RT seems decent.

 

[nguyen]

With all the driver issues, Intel has to sell ARC at much lower price, can they even make profit?
A750 look pretty close to 3060Ti in specs, perform the same as 3060, selling for 3050 price.

 

[Crackong]

War.....
War never changes.....

Vapourware is still vapourware

 

[Tomorrow]

With XeSS support being minimal they will have to rely on FSR 2.0 to mitigate RT performance penalty.
So while they might get close to 3060 RT perf then Nvidia still has the advantage of DLSS (compared to XeSS).

Personally i dont have much faith in their claims. They seem to be making bold claims and hyping up things too much. At the same time it takes one GN video to expose over 40 bugs in their control panel and based on recent testing they also have problems in Vulkan/DX12 games in addition to nonexistant DX9 and poor DX10/DX11 performance.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Nice performance but still- don't buy.
Let others do the beta-testing until "battlemage" arrive.

 

[spnidel]

attractive price point or not, the drivers are abysmal - if I was in the market for a new gpu I WOULD NEVER touch intel

 

[ZetZet]

Personally i dont have much faith in their claims. They seem to be making bold claims and hyping up things too much. At the same time it takes one GN video to expose over 40 bugs in their control panel and based on recent testing they also have problems in Vulkan/DX12 games in addition to nonexistant DX9 and poor DX10/DX11 performance.

Having had to deal with ATI drivers I will overpay 20-30% for Nvidia GPU, because they just work.

 

[Tomorrow]

Having had to deal with ATI drivers I will overpay 20-30% for Nvidia GPU, because they just work.

What was your latest AMD card? Because if it really was ATI card then your experience is way out of date.

 

[maxfly]

Blah blah blah

Bring something legit or stop with these useless advertisements. You have had more than enough time to get your shit together. So lame.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

ppl do be talking about Intel Arc's crappy drivers like they forgot about AMD's buggy and abysmal drivers for the RX57xx cards that crashes the game or goes into a BSOD on launch day. I'm giving Intel the benefit of the doubt here since they haven't launched the GPUs (yet) but at the same time their lineup is considered as "last gen" as Nvidia's Ada Lovelace launch is just around the corner, with AMD's RX7xxx closely behind them.

 

[ixi]

Almost no one cares as this is another bs pr + leakage. No product on market = to sh!t product.

 

[Vayra86]

What was your latest AMD card? Because if it really was ATI card then your experience is way out of date.

RDNA1 had issues, so you really don't need to have long term experience. AMD made sure to treat the new generation of gamers with a similar meal.

OK, RDNA2 is fine. Who knows about 3. They're still inconsistent as fuck - Nvidia is consistent, with the occasional screw up. Its like two different worlds. The same can be said of the frequency and quality of GPU generations the last decade.

But the most consistent is Intel, who haven't managed to release something great in GPU or iGPU to save their lives.

 

[Tomorrow]

RDNA1 had issues, so you really don't need to have long term experience. AMD made sure to treat the new generation of gamers with a similar meal.

OK, RDNA2 is fine. Who knows about 3. They're still inconsistent as fuck - Nvidia is consistent, with the occasional screw up. Its like two different worlds. The same can be said of the frequency and quality of GPU generations the last decade.

But the most consistent is Intel, who haven't managed to release something great in GPU or iGPU to save their lives.

Ok fair enough. RDNA1 had one issue that i remember. Tho i never personally used it so i cant say how widespeard it was. Hopefully AMD continues solid execution like they have in the CPU space to build trust.

But yeah - Intel. Even their network drivers have given me problems. Shockingly even Realtek drivers are better for me.

 

[ratirt]

Ok fair enough. RDNA1 had one issue that i remember. Tho i never personally used it so i cant say how widespeard it was. Hopefully AMD continues solid execution like they have in the CPU space to build trust.

But yeah - Intel. Even their network drivers have given me problems. Shockingly even Realtek drivers are better for me.

I did not have an issue with a RDNA1 although i was like 6 months late to the purchase of the 5600xt after my Vega64 went out of business due to PSU issue.

 

[bug]

That's actually really good, even if we can pretty much assume these are hand-picked titles and irl it will probably be little slower than that. Still, they need solid drivers.

 

[_Flare]

A claim remains one until confirmed or disproved.

 

[pavle]

Intel Arc Graphics Limited edition: limited to Wintel Labs. So many words (=evil) and no launch. Stay away or possibly beta-test it at your own expense.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

F£#@ sake just release the f@@k1n thing already.

F#@£ all, is never better than something you can actually hold or use.

Dick's, how the ffff they maintain their loyal fan base is beyond me they are literally turd in my eyes as a company (calm down their wares are ok when eventually available but the company).

 

[Jimmy_]

lets hope the final output product with perfect driver support this will be coming soon ( without any bugs ) or else they ll see a GPU review and then ll find bugs and again delayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

 

[Metroid]

Funny, the image shows a750, the article says a770.

 

[Vayra86]

I did not have an issue with a RDNA1 although i was like 6 months late to the purchase of the 5600xt after my Vega64 went out of business due to PSU issue.

N=1 versus the consensus, well done. Why even post it? Its not helpful to a company that its fan/userbase isn't hyper critical about its performance, not just on their own stuff, but in general. Criticism pushes a company to do better. AMD did that several times because of community backlash, why not call it out if they drop the ball?

 

[ratirt]

N=1 versus the consensus, well done. Why even post it? Its not helpful to a company that its fan/userbase isn't hyper critical about its performance, not just on their own stuff, but in general. Criticism pushes a company to do better. AMD did that several times because of community backlash, why not call it out if they drop the ball?

Intel will iron out the bugs just give it time. I don't remember when was any company releasing a product and it was a great thing at a go. AS for the community backlash, if the product is great there's still going to be something to backlash at. Not defending anyone just trying to be realistic. Intel's driver is a mess no doubt about it.

 

[Dragokar]

The RT might be better, but can you buy them before even rtx40 or rdna3?

Graphs and Ryans PR are nice, but useless for customers If you cant buy anything above the Ahooo380.

 

[bug]

Intel will iron out the bugs just give it time. I don't remember when was any company releasing a product and it was a great thing at a go. AS for the community backlash, if the product is great there's still going to be something to backlash at. Not defending anyone just trying to be realistic. Intel's driver is a mess no doubt about it.

Drivers aren't expected to be perfect from the beginning (or even years later as both AMD and Nvidia have shown us), but Intel's drivers weren't very good in the past, so that's definitely something to keep an eye out for.