Newegg.com Leaks Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" Store Pages

[R0H1T]

Cooler intel

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So you have Zen 4 decreasing in efficiency, despite being on a smaller node, and raptor lake increasing in efficiency.... the gap is definitely narrowing.

Zen4 is supremely efficient, just clocked stupidly high! AMD shouldn't be playing Intel's games but then again "gamers" like to pay exorbitant extortionist prices for the last 0.1%

 

[phanbuey]

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Zen4 is supremely efficient, just clocked stupidly high! AMD shouldn't be playing Intel's games but then again "gamers" like to pay exorbitant extortionist prices for the last 0.1%

Agreed -- but when companies start those games we get the Bulldozer, Pentium 4, Comet Lake flashbacks.

It's more like the 5000 was more of an exception rather than part of a trend. The 5000 series would most likely have had higher clock speeds if possible and beneficial.

Or, have a look at the last image I posted, at 125 W it's 289 p, that's insanely high while still having market leading CB score among mainstream CPU's. But yeah, it's not stock settings..

Also, it's not like the competition has been constant. Alder is so much better than several previous generations from Intel. The high Hz was a given.

Right - underneath it all it's a phenomenal chip. It's just misconfigured from the factory, and like you said -- 5000 set the expectation. These feels underwhelming because AMD is trying to take profit and the market isn't as favorable.

If 7800X3D/7950X3D came out at a 140W on launch date, there would be no questions. This just looks and feels like milking the customers.

 

[R0H1T]

I think part of the blame should also be borne by the PCMR or gaming community, you don't need to chase the last 1% or 0.1% & unless you are a professional gamer it should generally be ignored.

 

[Dyatlov A]

When will be the introduction day finally?

 

[fevgatos]

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You can blame yourself for not backing up what you claim.

Is this the one you're talking about? The 7950X is 51 % faster at 125 W, and 69 % faster at 65 W.
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Is it too difficult for you to understand what stock is? At stock amd settings the 7950x runs at 230w and scores 38k. At stock intel settings the 12900k runs at 125/241 56s tau, meaning that after 56 seconds it will be consuming 125w and score 24k. Meaning after 56 sec it will be more efficient than the 7950x.

Now please, dont come up again with some made up nonsense just because you don't want to admit whats in front of you, yes?

 

[ARF]

AMD is done

Intel announces 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" desktop series: Core i9-13900K price is $589 - VideoCardz.com

 

[Zubasa]

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Is it too difficult for you to understand what stock is? At stock amd settings the 7950x runs at 230w and scores 38k. At stock intel settings the 12900k runs at 125/241 56s tau, meaning that after 56 seconds it will be consuming 125w and score 24k. Meaning after 56 sec it will be more efficient than the 7950x.

Now please, dont come up again with some made up nonsense just because you don't want to admit whats in front of you, yes?

Except Intel had stated multiple times that Tau does NOT apply to the K-skus. Stock for the 12900k is PL1=PL2 = 241W indefinitely.

 

[R0H1T]

AMD is done

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Intel announces 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" desktop series: Core i9-13900K price is $589 - VideoCardz.com

Not nearly, AMD still has AM4 to fall back on & possible zen4c or even a few new chips releasing on AM4 next year?

Unlike Intel AMD doesn't kill their lineup so quickly & forces you to buy a new mobo every other year!

The biggest holes in their lineup IMO is between $200~300 but even then older gen Zen is pretty good at handling some of those price points.

 

[AdmiralThrawn]

Looks like intel is finally competative again. Eating amd and nvidia for lunch today, especially with the 329$ A770 launch price.

 

[SL2]

Looks like intel is finally competative again.

I'm not saying you're wrong, as I think so as well, but why did Pat say this then? I mean, this is too much to be called sandbagging..

Intel Expects to Lose More Market Share, to Reconsider Exiting Other Businesses

During Evercore ISI TMT conference, Intel announced that the company would continue to lose market share, with a possible bounce back in the coming years. According to the latest report, Intel's CEO Pat Gelsinger announced that he expects the company to continue to lose its market share to AMD...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ARF]

I'm not saying you're wrong, as I think so as well, but why did Pat say this then?

A forecast followed by a corrective action? I mean they can always decrease the pricing and become competitive again.
Competitiveness doesn't depend on the performance but on the price.

 

[fevgatos]

Except Intel had stated multiple times that Tau does NOT apply to the K-skus. Stock for the 12900k is PL1=PL2 = 241W indefinitely.

There is a picture just above your post, official from Intel. It shows a PL1 of 125. You can see the exact same thing on their webiste regarding the 12900k, it has a base power limit of 125w. The non expiring TAU were the instructions given to the reviewers to test with.

 

[Luke357]

Unlike Intel AMD doesn't kill their lineup so quickly & forces you to buy a new mobo every other year!

Nobody told you to upgrade every other year...

 

[SL2]

At stock amd settings the 7950x runs at 230w and scores 38k. At stock intel settings the 12900k runs at 125/241 56s tau, meaning that after 56 seconds it will be consuming 125w and score 24k. Meaning after 56 sec it will be more efficient than the 7950x.

It is well known that Intel and AMD calculates TDP/PPT/etc differently, so they're not comparable in real world scenarios.
Only way to avoid this is to measure power consumption, which gives a 117 p / W for the 7950X at full power, and 114 p / W for the 12900K set at 125 W. In this situation it's power consumption for the whole system and not just the CPU, but still better than theoretical numbers unrelated to each other.

Just look at the conclusion of the article, it disagrees with you. If you've found some error in it you should contact the site in question.

 

[fevgatos]

It is well known that Intel and AMD calculates TDP/PPT/etc differently, so they're not comparable in real world scenarios.
Only way to avoid this is to measure power consumption, which gives a 117 p / W for the 7950X at full power, and 114 p / W for the 12900K set at 125 W. In this situation it's power consumption for the whole system and not just the CPU, but still better than theoretical numbers unrelated to each other.

But the 114p/w for the 12900k was not at 125 but at 241 watts. At 125w it scores 24k which gives it 192pt / watt, making it more efficient than the 7950x

 

[AlwaysHope]

It is useful if you have problems with your dedicated GPU or for whatever reason you can't use your dedicated GPU....

Not everyone has spare GPU's...

Exactly my thinking too. Handy as well if one wants to side grade the chip to light desktop duties. That or dump it on the 2nd hand market.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

no such thing now, as the new so-called "entry level" intel boards are starting at $330

At least according the PR that was posted here yesterday anyways...

I believe 13th gen is compatible with previous motherboards, so more choice and lower prices unless you want the latest stuff.

No it doesnt. 7950x draws 230w, same as 12900 and 13900 at full load.

I believe AMD just unlocked their CPUs to consume more for the last few MHz which usually cost the most in terms of power, when limited they are very efficient I believe PCworld tested this.

 

[Hxx]

iGPU LMFAO

lol that one time your GPU craps out you will be wishing u dropped 10 bux more on the non F sku

 

[AdmiralThrawn]

I'm not saying you're wrong, as I think so as well, but why did Pat say this then? I mean, this is too much to be called sandbagging..

Intel Expects to Lose More Market Share, to Reconsider Exiting Other Businesses

During Evercore ISI TMT conference, Intel announced that the company would continue to lose market share, with a possible bounce back in the coming years. According to the latest report, Intel's CEO Pat Gelsinger announced that he expects the company to continue to lose its market share to AMD...

www.techpowerup.com

They can lose market share and be competative. AMD lost market share this year and is more competative than ever. Intel is trying to shift their focus to more profitable technologies, and they are leaving industries that do not make money like HEDT and optane.

 

[P4-630]

They can lose market share and be competative. AMD lost market share this year and is more competative than ever. Intel is trying to shift their focus to more profitable technologies, and they are leaving industries that do not make money like HEDT and optane.

Intel Raptor Lake Processor with 34 P-Cores Spotted

Yesterday Intel announced its 13th generation Raptor Lake processor lineup. The top-of-the-line model, Core i9-13900KS, features eight P-cores and 16 E-cores for a total of 24 cores in the SoC. However, that may not represent the maximum for Raptor Lake, as there appears to be another segment...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[ARF]

Not nearly, AMD still has AM4 to fall back on & possible zen4c or even a few new chips releasing on AM4 next year?

Unlike Intel AMD doesn't kill their lineup so quickly & forces you to buy a new mobo every other year!

The biggest holes in their lineup IMO is between $200~300 but even then older gen Zen is pretty good at handling some of those price points.

The only thing that can help AMD to look somewhat decent in the people's eyes, is if it lowers the prices now and rapidly.

Ryzen 5 5600 down to $99.
Ryzen 5 5600X down to $119.
Ryzen 7 5700X down to $179.
Ryzen 7 5800X down to $279.
Ryzen 9 5900X down to $329.
Ryzen 9 5950X down to $399.

Ryzen 5 7600X down to $199.
Ryzen 7 7700X down to $299.
Ryzen 9 7900X down to $419.
Ryzen 9 7950X down to $549.

Launch boards with B650 ASAP starting at $99, and offer significant discounts for DDR5.

 

[R0H1T]

Launch boards with B650 ASAP starting at $99, and offer significant discounts for DDR5.

And AM4 boards start well under $100 with some DDR4 at near all time low prices. You don't have to get the latest & greatest to compare decent VFM across a variety of price ranges & AMD's still competitive under $200 to an extent. Though admittedly under $100 they have nothing worth buying IMO.

 

[Why_Me]

Waiting/curious to see how the 13400 will perform and the actual price where I live, 12400 or 13400 is my only possible upgrade I will be interested in at some point. 'not anytime soon tho, for now the little 12100 does everything I need it for'

This ^^ The i5 13400 / 13400F paired with a B660 / B670 board + DDR4 3600 will be the biggest seller for gaming builds imo.

 

[ARF]

And AM4 boards start well under $100 with some DDR4 at near all time low prices. You don't have to get the latest & greatest to compare decent VFM across a variety of price ranges & AMD's still competitive under $200 to an extent. Though admittedly under $100 they have nothing worth buying IMO.

Yes, AMD is very weak in the price range of $30 - $100 for a CPU. Many people need that price range to give real good offers.

 

[ModEl4]

The only thing that can help AMD to look somewhat decent in the people's eyes, is if it lowers the prices now and rapidly.

Ryzen 5 5600 down to $99.
Ryzen 5 5600X down to $119.
Ryzen 7 5700X down to $179.
Ryzen 7 5800X down to $279.
Ryzen 9 5900X down to $329.
Ryzen 9 5950X down to $399.

Ryzen 5 7600X down to $199.
Ryzen 7 7700X down to $299.
Ryzen 9 7900X down to $419.
Ryzen 9 7950X down to $549.

Launch boards with B650 ASAP starting at $99, and offer significant discounts for DDR5.

Too aggressive in some models like 5600/5600X/5700X and week pricing in others like 5800X imo, if AMD drops 10% the AM5 motherboard pricing, the below should be fine until 13th gen 65W options show up:

Ryzen 5 5500 down to $99.
Ryzen 5 5600 down to $129.
Ryzen 5 5600X down to $149.
Ryzen 7 5700X down to $199.
Ryzen 7 5800X down to $239.
Ryzen 9 5900X down to $319.
Ryzen 9 5950X down to $399.

Ryzen 5 7600X down to $249.
Ryzen 7 7700X down to $329.
Ryzen 9 7900X down to $459.
Ryzen 9 7950X down to $589.