Bad Batch 8800gt

[SpoonMuffin]

another report of a DOA bestbuy 8800gt oc
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1239220
this time on [H] the site that banned me for posting about this problem.

EDIT: attached a screenshot incase they deside to delete/cover up the problem and bann the reporting user like they did me

 

[SpoonMuffin]

the poster of that thred was banned and the thred delted, no he wasnt me, hope he finds pcper or tpu ....... poor fool, posts on hard forums and gets banned because they dont like anybody reporting bad nvidia cards/products

Linky

yahoo cache of the post!!!

think its pretty clear that they are deleting any negitive reports about 8800gt's and banning the "offending" users reguardless of them just wanting some help/advice........

 

[Dandel]

Banning for posting something like that seems a bit harsh, i don't agree with that, at most the thread should of been locked and the last post saying that the thread was locked due to flaming, but back to the cards... I'll admit that even on ATI based cards you will have some issues with cards from time to time, for example, when i got my Radeon X1800GTO, just after it's launch it went out within 6 months with blue dots all over the screen that even appeared in screen shots. I am actually very pleased with the company i got the card from, and as a bonus prize they sent me an Radeon X1900GT instead due to the fact that they didn't have the X1800GTO in stock.

 

[SpoonMuffin]

yeah, powercolor is a good company thats why i told you to buy from them

and i didnt get to see it locked, i went to check it the next day and found i was banned with no reasion given on the ban notice and that the ban was to be lifed "never"

 

[Dandel]

Yea, that is not acceptable, so i looked to see if i could find the thread relevant to this, and i came up with a cache on google for this that has your original post and a few replies.

 

[GLD]

I wonder if these people with bad cards are powering them with good power supplies? It is surprising to read how many people trust their rig to a psu that shouldn't even be giving away.

 

[SpoonMuffin]

true GDL, but i have no bad/crap psu's in any of my systems, i got a stack of crappy ones i giveaway or use to test OLD boards

im thinking its a mix of componant/pcb problems and software(bios and drivers) problems, if you look around on reliable forums that dont delete reports of problems you will find a good number of vista bsod/reboot issues just like i had, the reasion u see it more with vista is that areo trys to use the 3d parts of the card for desktop so u get stuck in a reboot loop. and thats something the tech i talked to when i got my RMA had a few calls about that day, said it was mostly on vista64, and they set me up with an rma number and shiping lable.

as i have said, i was excited about getting an 8800gt, i was expecting it to JUST WORK, then all this hassle.

BUT BFG HAS BEEN GREAT ABOUT IT!!!!!! their rep was very honest about what he had dealt with the first time i called, and the last time i called they got simlar issues, so we will see what comes of this, im just hoping to have a working card soon, this x600pro is killing me :/

 

[SpoonMuffin]

oh i was over at the nvidia forums, a guy was puzzled at why his buddys system couldnt run with an 8800gt, it was a dell with a 300watt dell psu ROFL,

 

[JethroBodine]

the poster of that thred was banned and the thred delted, no he wasnt me, hope he finds pcper or tpu ....... poor fool, posts on hard forums and gets banned because they dont like anybody reporting bad nvidia cards/products

Linky

yahoo cache of the post!!!

think its pretty clear that they are deleting any negitive reports about 8800gt's and banning the "offending" users reguardless of them just wanting some help/advice........

Forums have tools to find out who posters are, and when banned members set up new accounts, they get re-banned.

 

[JethroBodine]

and i had to lay down for a few hours, i was getting stressed, my cat had to be put down today due to somebody having clubed her in the head, she was a very friendly loving kitty to anybody and it seems that allowed somebody to harm her.......im a big guy, but i admit i cryed and still feel very sad, i just couldnt afford the 480bucks they wantd to fix her up.......

You let your cat roam free?!

back on topic, the bFG rep is not denieing that i have found a problem, im going to call them tonight and see if i can talk to a real person since i finnely feel a bit better, i did find what messege the BSOD gives

"driver is mismanaging PTEs" did some searching, this error currently has been assotiated mostly with windows 2003 and xp x64 as well as both x32 and x64 vista, so it could be a bios+driver+card hardware issue, but the card has same symptoms under xp in a test box i have....and my buddys GTX works fine.....since its the same driver i wouldnt expect it to work for one card and not another.....

The BFG guys did deny theres any "bad batch of 8800GTs" though. To me, to NVIDIA, and on this forum.

Makes this post a bit suspect doesn't it?

On one hand we have you saying they told you about bad batches of 8800GTs and not to buy 8800GTs, on the other we have them saying they didn't.

Oh that's right- you got the special BFG rep that told you the true story of the bad batches of 8800GTs!

 

[SpoonMuffin]

Jethro, you can give it up, it wasnt me posting on [H] u could give pcper or tpu the IP the person posted from and let them tell you if im the same person, you will find it wasnt me.

as to this "theres not a proble"

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031639500&postcount=54

duno if hes gonna endup banned or having his post delted tho since it is neg against nvidia!!!!

OBWANDO n00bie

So, I bought a BFG 8800 GT OC 512 meg from CompUsa last night (got a great deal from a friend).

My machine runs XP64 SP2 all updates with 8 gigs of memory, Radeon x1900xtx, Dual 290 Opterons on a K8WE board (dual nforce), 800W power supply. It is also my main Dev PC so it absolutely must be stable and has been for 9 months now.

I put the card in, installed the drivers (169.02). BSOD. Since I develop drivers also, I figured I would take a look at the crashdump. The bugcheck is: SYSTEM_PTE_MISUSE (da) but you will you will probably see it as Driver mismanaging system PTE. (Page Table Entry)

If you use the VGA driver, it is stable all day, all nite. However with 169.02 or .04 drivers, different story. Now, the BSOD only happens when an accelerated action is requested or any 3d operation. Pull up a browser with flash, you may crash out. Open up the display panel, you will crash out. It is easy to reproduce. It took about 30 minutes last night to get through, and troubleshoot with the support tech. Good guy, good manners, kudos to BFG on the support.

Unfortunately, he gave a bad diagnosis that the video memory on the card was bad. I like to make sure of things so I put it in my other test PC. It has a clean copy of XP32, 64, vista32 and 64. I fired up the XP64 copy which was running SP1. Installed the card, installed the driver, rebooted. No issues. Ran crysis demo as a test, no issues. Rock solid. I installed SP2 on the test PC and retested, no issues.

Now I have only started researching this, but in the crash dump. The dump is suggesting that our offender here is: nv4_mini!grContextInstanceToObject+0xf which is flagging nv4_mini.sys and nv4_disp.dll. No I did not export the nv4_mini.sys, but windbg says its a routine in there.

So, if you are running XP64, there is something that is causing an issue. If you do a google search on "mismanaging pte xp 64 nvidia" you will find this is an old issue that has been around, but never addressed (or at least from what I could find). I think the sudden rage is because the 8800 GT is a compelling reason to get a new card. More people, more squeaky wheels, more flame.

If I can get more time, I will begin to dissect whats going on. Both test PC and my main PC have the same NTOSKRNL (5.2.3790.4045) and VIDEOPORT.SYS (5.2.3790.3959) which is the last update I had seen (hotfix from in october).

Call chain is as follows from newest to oldest (you read from bottom up) and all 5 dumps I have are completely identical:

nt!KeBugCheckEx (Say hello to Mr. Blue screen)
nt!MmUnmapIoSpace+0x37b (NTOSKRNL.EXE)
VIDEOPRT!pVideoPortFreeDeviceBase+0x93 (VIDEOPRT.SYS) - (NV4_Mini.sys)
VIDEOPRT!VideoPortUnmapMemory+0xe (VIDEOPRT.SYS) - (NV4_Mini.sys)
nv4_mini!grContextInstanceToObject+0xf

I'll start tearing it apart later, but I do have to say that I'm a little irritated that putting a video card in my system that was completely stable shouldn't force me to reload my OS or start doing low level debugging.

I called BFG back, waited for another tech and reported my findings. But from what I see preliminarily, this isnt a hardware issue, its more of a driver / OS update issue that has been around awhile.

One other thing. I also cleaned all traces of ATI and Nvidia out of the system and retested twice, same crashing result.

--Royal
Last edited by OBWANDO : Yesterday at 10:01 PM.

now go bann him for saying something bad about nvidia, after all that seems to be the way [H] deals with anybody who reports the truth..........

and acctualy i have had 3 reps that told me the truth that it looked like there may be some bad cards out there, and 1 that said he didnt think there was a bad batch and was very vauge when i asked why the first rep said there could easly be a bad batch......funny.......maby you need to deal with real tech support people more and your dirrect lines less, because ucan call the same tech support line 10 times and have 10 diffrent answers that are totaly diffrent!!!!

i cant help it if some of the reps think from the number of calls they themselves have delt with that there may be a batch of bad cards, then they tell me that, i simply relayed what i learned and had seen.

and i love how you smucks at [H] say i only had 1 card and went postal, i had 4 so far, last ones in rout to bfg at this very moment!!!!

 

[SpoonMuffin]

You let your cat roam free?!

um yeah i live in a suberb bordering the country, why would i keep my cats locked in the house?

i really wish they would just ban your trolling ass...........nothing positive to add to the conversation just personal attacks on me and anybody else whos had the same experiance.

go troll someplace else for nvidia, hell there may be some more 8800gt complains/problems you need to go delete over on [H] or the nvidia forums, wouldnt want to risk anybody finding out about the problems!!!!

 

[Tatty_Two]

I have bored myself enough with this thread over the last day or so so I won't bore Jethro even further by posting even more links to other forums worldwide that SPECIFICALLY mention faulty BFG 8800GT's, to be fair, I can understand BFG's viewpoint just like any other OEM.....if there are say 100 faulty cards out of several thousand released....then that is not perceived as a problem to them because in fairness it is but a very small % of cards and in any retail product that is perfectly normal, it usually is however perceived to be a problem by the poor consumer that has bought the faulty card!

 

[SpoonMuffin]

[H] claims that only 15 cards have been rma'd last i read over on their page......sure....rofl 15.......and that was across all card makers.......humm.......and thats acroos xfx,evga,and bfg.....funny i have seen more reports of rma's then that with a simple google search.

yeah tatty, hes just a trolling nvidia flunky.........

 

[JethroBodine]

Jethro, you can give it up, it wasnt me posting on [H] u could give pcper or tpu the IP the person posted from and let them tell you if im the same person, you will find it wasnt me.

as to this "theres not a proble"

http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1031639500&postcount=54

duno if hes gonna endup banned or having his post delted tho since it is neg against nvidia!!!!



now go bann him for saying something bad about nvidia, after all that seems to be the way [H] deals with anybody who reports the truth..........

and acctualy i have had 3 reps that told me the truth that it looked like there may be some bad cards out there, and 1 that said he didnt think there was a bad batch and was very vauge when i asked why the first rep said there could easly be a bad batch......funny.......maby you need to deal with real tech support people more and your dirrect lines less, because ucan call the same tech support line 10 times and have 10 diffrent answers that are totaly diffrent!!!!

i cant help it if some of the reps think from the number of calls they themselves have delt with that there may be a batch of bad cards, then they tell me that, i simply relayed what i learned and had seen.

and i love how you smucks at [H] say i only had 1 card and went postal, i had 4 so far, last ones in rout to bfg at this very moment!!!!

Those reps don't seem to want to come here and back you up though do they?

We just got the one that says he doesn't know what you're talking about.

 

[SpoonMuffin]

yeah a rep is gonna want to come to a forum to post about his/her long crappy day dealing with other peoples hardware problems......and doing so risk that managment is going to get mad and fire or sencure them for posting something the company hasnt approved........god how fing stupid are you?

if somebody told you a sewege tank was a pool you would dive in and swim around wouldnt you?

 

[newtekie1]

another report of a DOA bestbuy 8800gt oc
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1239220
this time on [H] the site that banned me for posting about this problem.

EDIT: attached a screenshot incase they deside to delete/cover up the problem and bann the reporting user like they did me

Knowing you, I highly doubt that banned your for reporting the problem.

 

[SpoonMuffin]

read what the post i put up said, samething i posted here, and thats why they banned me!!!!

 

[Darknova]

Knowing you, I highly doubt that banned your for reporting the problem.

Did you read his thread? I did, all he did was post exactly what he said here and was banned.

Now, Most of the people in this thread got exactly what Spoon was saying. Which was posting to say he personally had had a number of 8800GT's which had been DOA and said he'd spoken to a BFG rep who said what he did. Whether he said ACTUALLY said that is of NO relevance AT ALL to this thread, but Jethro seems to be focusing on that.

Every single company has RMA's, because you will never get every single electronic product that works on delivery, they are too fragile.

All Spoon is saying is to be careful when buying your 8800GT. At no point in this thread did he EVER say NOT to buy an 8800GT, he said to hang on for a while, or be prepared to RMA if it turned out to be faulty.

You believe your intentions are honorable Jethro, but you just didn't read the thread properley. Stop focusing on points which are irrelevant, and were not made in this thread.

 

[newtekie1]

Did you read his thread? I did, all he did was post exactly what he said here and was banned.

Yes, I get that. However, what I am saying is that, knowing Spoon, he most likely got banned for something completely different in a completely different thread and instead of saying that is why he got banned he is trying to make the administration of the site look bad by saying he was banned for posting useful information.

 

[Darknova]

Yes, I get that. However, what I am saying is that, knowing Spoon, he most likely got banned for something completely different in a completely different thread and instead of saying that is why he got banned he is trying to make the administration of the site look bad by saying he was banned for posting useful information.

No, they then stated in another thread the reason why they banned him, and it was because he posted that information. Can get you a link if you want?

 

[SpoonMuffin]

read the thred for god sake, there are links to the thred i was banned for, and if u read [H] they even say thats what it was for, everybody knows you dont like me, as such please just leave and dont read any thred i make or post i post.

thanks in advance for STFU and moving along.

 

[SpoonMuffin]

Yea, that is not acceptable, so i looked to see if i could find the thread relevant to this, and i came up with a cache on google for this that has your original post and a few replies.

newmoron...i mean newtekie read the link then read the why i was banned link, then you can appologize or STFU and GTFO of my thred oh and have a nice day

 

[newtekie1]

newmoron...i mean newtekie read the link then read the why i was banned link, then you can appologize or STFU and GTFO of my thred oh and have a nice day

See what I mean. Chances are he will be banned for that, and guess what, he will claim TPU banned him for "simply posting about bad 8800GTs".

 

[zekrahminator]

Stop bickering or I'm going to make sure this thread is locked.