Windows 12 Delayed as Microsoft Prepares Windows 11 25H2 Update

[kondamin]

"Windows 10 will be the last Windows"

That statement from several years ago aged very well.

"Windows 10 will be the last Windows not completely ruined by tracking advertising and AI*

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

"Windows 10 will be the last Windows not completely ruined by tracking advertising and AI*

This is amusing to me, I remember when 10 came out and everyone was like "windows 7 was the last great OS not ruined by lack of control and broken control panels" and now everyone loves it.

 

[wNotyarD]

This is amusing to me, I remember when 10 came out and everyone was like "windows 7 was the last great OS not ruined by lack of control and broken control panels" and now everyone loves it.

The worst Windows release is always the next one.

 

[Timbaloo]

They're never going to require online accounts either. Right?

It is a monopoly, built not by MS, but by consumer's ignorance and refusal to learn. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

They see you talking, but they can't hear you...

 

[kondamin]

This is amusing to me, I remember when 10 came out and everyone was like "windows 7 was the last great OS not ruined by lack of control and broken control panels" and now everyone loves it.

True, I have been on that bandwagon since windows 2000, but every time the reasons to stick to the previous version or move away have been getting more pressing and windows 11 doesn't bring anything that can be considered better to the table.

Windows

 

[maxli86]

How about no? Who knows what is the requirement?
By than Microsoft will deem PC using Intel 8th gen CPU as incompatible.
That would be a complete joke.
Similar like Windows 11 Intel Skylake aren't compatible with it.

 

[kondamin]

How about no? Who knows what is the requirement?
By than Microsoft will deem PC using Intel 8th gen CPU as incompatible.
That would be a complete joke.
Similar like Windows 11 Intel Skylake aren't compatible with it.

8th gen? 8 gen is already DOA for recent versions of windows 11

They will very likely be demanding a 40+tops npu for windows 12
So zen 6 and nova lake minimum.

 

[ARF]

3. 100% Windows Login-in sign on required and with deep tracking and no ability to opt out

I hear your fear, but even Microsoft has no interest to enable such a nonsense, because in this way they will make every single computer vulnerable and exposed to the internet, when their lab ones are outside of it, and also many secret activities also require offline operations.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

This is amusing to me, I remember when 10 came out and everyone was like "windows 7 was the last great OS not ruined by lack of control and broken control panels" and now everyone loves it.

I don't know why you have a hard time with this. Windows 10 was pretty bad at launch, settings were quite incomplete, and it took years for 10 to surpass Windows 7 in terms of performance. 10 was also arguably uglier, but that's certainly subjective. Still, Windows 10 today is in far better shape in terms of polish, performance, and features, as opposed to the early versions. W11 followed the same trajectory, and MS has slowly brought about the things they inexplicably took away. Either way, one could say Windows 7 was the best launch from MS in a long time--it was fully-featured, stable, and ready to use on day one. Windows 8, 10 and 11 certainly can't claim that.

 

[Hecate91]

How about no? Who knows what is the requirement?
By than Microsoft will deem PC using Intel 8th gen CPU as incompatible.
That would be a complete joke.
Similar like Windows 11 Intel Skylake aren't compatible with it.

Exactly, this is a good point as well, who knows what ridiculous system requirements MS will have with Windows 12, maybe it'll require an NPU also for all of the copilot "features" you probably won't be able to turn off without significant tinkering to get rid of the AI spyware.

This is amusing to me, I remember when 10 came out and everyone was like "windows 7 was the last great OS not ruined by lack of control and broken control panels" and now everyone loves it.

10 was the last OS that hasn't gone to complete and utter sh*t, 7 was good, 8/8.1 was trash,10 was good after a year of updates/patches, 11 has been terrible unless customized to remove all of the junk.

I never said they were not valid. I simply pointed out all those complaining are still using the product so.....what would MS gain from catering to them?

MS would have a competitive product to compete with Steam OS and the other gaming flavored Linux versions. And MS is already doing it with their "Xbox" handheld OS, all they have to do is provide a gaming mode to turn off all of the crap not needed while running games.

Nope. There are tens of millions of users who just use their computer and go about their life. The vast majority of PC users do NOT care at all.

While the majority may not care, there are plenty of people switching to Mac or Linux.

You're so close to getting it. If the consumer already uses their product.....why would they cater to them when they can use AI to make even more money?

Every massive corporation is catering to AI instead of listening to consumers, not sure why that makes MS special.

The multi trillion dollar MS doesnt care about the scraps moving to the penguin OS. The overwhelming majority of PC gamers use Winblows. Until that changes in some significant way, MS has no pressure to listen to their consumers.

It is a monopoly, built not by MS, but by consumer's ignorance and refusal to learn. They have nobody to blame but themselves.

I'm sure Microsoft wouldn't care until it's too late, but they have lost market share, MS doesn't have over 80% of OS marketshare any more. Valve has sold millions of Steam decks, if they were to launch Steam OS compatible with the average gaming PC, MS would lose quite a few PC gamers frustrated with MS refusing to optimize Windows.

 

[ARF]

I don't know why you have a hard time with this. Windows 10 was pretty bad at launch, settings were quite incomplete, and it took years for 10 to surpass Windows 7 in terms of performance. 10 was also arguably uglier, but that's certainly subjective.

It is quite objective, actually. We had Aero transparent and beautiful windows, with Windows 10 we get only flat, colourless and dull ugliness.

Still, Windows 10 today is in far better shape in terms of polish, performance, and features, as opposed to the early versions. W11 followed the same trajectory, and MS has slowly brought about the things they inexplicably took away. Either way, one could say Windows 7 was the best launch from MS in a long time--it was fully-featured, stable, and ready to use on day one. Windows 8, 10 and 11 certainly can't claim that.

Windows 7 is the best Windows in history, and if Microsoft doesn't relaunch it under a new name, it will remain so forever.

 

[Shrek]

Not sure I understand the advantages of a disabled update with timed enablement.

 

[Onasi]

Wait what? Has there ever been plans from MS to release Windows 12? As in something that has been known?

Jesus Christ, the fact that this is the only sane comment in the entire thread is sad. And I would absolutely call out @AleksandarK for clickbait on this one. There were no Windows 12 plans announced. There is no reason to suspect it even is in inception. The entire hoobaloo around the topic last year was people misconstruing the significant kernel changes that turned out to be part of 24H2 as Windows 12. It wasn’t. Nobody remotely sane thought MS is gearing up for a new OS release when they JUST updated the kernel and shifted all their NT-based products to it. 25H2 update for 11 was expected.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Windows 8 was actually a good OS under the tragic UI decisions. Installing something like Start8 and banishing Windows Store Apps was all that was needed to bring it back to usability. Most users obviously didn't do this, but that was my recommendation for those that bought Windows 8 PCs and stopped using them because of how frustrating it was. It's much like Vista being better than people give it credit. All the painful things MS had to implement in Vista paved the way for Windows 7 being so good from day one. Windows 8 can't claim that. Windows 10 tried to keep the MS App Store vision, but it was ultimately doomed.

 

[Frick]

I know right. You would think that MS would be too embarrassed to release a version of Windows ever again.

No, not that; afaik there has never been any talk whatsoever from MS about a Windows after 11. Speculation? Sure, but all of if completely unfounded.

 

[cerulliber]

the last windows was 7 and after this only trash and then ai hype.
I think Steve Ballmer will be the 1080 ti of Microsoft /s

 

[AleksandarK]

Jesus Christ, the fact that this is the only sane comment in the entire thread is sad. And I would absolutely call out @AleksandarK for clickbait on this one. There were no Windows 12 plans announced. There is no reason to suspect it even is in inception. The entire hoobaloo around the topic last year was people misconstruing the significant kernel changes that turned out to be part of 24H2 as Windows 12. It wasn’t. Nobody remotely sane thought MS is gearing up for a new OS release when they JUST updated the kernel and shifted all their NT-based products to it. 25H2 update for 11 was expected.

There are periodical rumors about v12. So I see no problem, as I haven't clickbaited anyone.

 

[Easo]

Every single comment here was predictable, which honestly is a bit sad.
Oh well, work security for me.

 

[Onasi]

There are periodical rumors about v12. So I see no problem, as I haven't clickbaited anyone.

…you honestly don’t see an issue in not differentiating between unsubstantiated rumors and speculation and having a NEWS ARTICLE titled “Windows 12 delayed” when it was never announced in the first place and formulating that article in a way that presupposes Windows 12 existing and painting the annual Windows feature update THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR as a surprising proof that said Win 12 is delayed? Really?

Shieeet, I can do that too! Hey, turns out Half-Life 3 is delayed! I mean, it was never announced, but there ARE some rumors, and now it’s delayed for sure. I know this because Valve has announced a major update for CS2! Obviously, this can only mean one thing. Journalism!

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Every single comment here was predictable, which honestly is a bit sad.
Oh well, work security for me.

I’m humbled that you still choose to speak to us.

 

[phints]

Jeez, I didn't think I would hear about 12 for the next couple of years at least...

Why? Other popular OSes update more often. Win11 is finally in great shape, I would say next year would be a good time to push out Win12. Just look at what macOS does or the more successful Linux distros, they have overhauls seemingly more often.

Imo that blured out Win12 pic actually looks good, a more transparent centered taskbar as an option would be more in line with other OSes. It would be nice if they added some more customization to that look but who knows.

Still waiting for Windows to just become a Linux distro, and have MS focus on all their services and 365 stuff... Sort of like when they used to have the Win9x vs. NT kernel backends and eventually moved to NT. One can dream.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Why? Other popular OSes update more often. Win11 is finally in great shape, I would say next year would be a good time to push out Win12. Just look at what macOS does or the more successful Linux distros, they have overhauls seemingly more often.

Imo that blured out Win12 pic actually looks good, a more transparent centered taskbar as an option would be more in line with other OSes. It would be nice if they added some more customization to that look but who knows.

Still waiting for Windows to just become a Linux distro, and have MS focus on all their services and 365 stuff... Sort of like when they used to have the Win9x vs. NT kernel backends and eventually moved to NT. One can dream.

Someday WSL will become LSW? Or will that just be an MS branch of WINE?

 

[Pizderko]

So a part ReFS, what else Windows 12 will bring???

Also!

Someone still remembers WCOS???
Where is that thing now?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Windows 12 Delayed as Microsoft Prepares Windows 11 25H2 Update

It should be noted that microsoft have not said anything about "Windows 12", anywhere. These rumors that are stated like they are somehow factual comes off as click-baity nonsense.

Get ready for Windows 11, version 25H2 - Windows IT Pro Blog

Ready for the next feature update? Windows 11, version 25H2 is coming as an enablement package (eKB) later this year!

techcommunity.microsoft.com

Here's what you should have said;

Microsoft Prepares Windows 11 25H2 Update with indications that the rumored Windows 12 might be delayed

See how much better that sounds? Talks about the same info without making total rumor look like factual info, which it's not and then looks like cheap, low-ball clickbait nonsense.

"Windows 10 will be the last Windows"

That statement from several years ago aged very well.

They never said that. Members of the press said it and everyone just went with it but microsoft never made that statement.

 

[watzupken]

Microsoft can call it whatever they want, but unless they materially change the OS such that it does not spam me with advertisements, force all sorts of buggy updates and AI shenanigans on me, I will not be interested. There is no perfect OS, but I am happy to take the lesser evil.