Windows 12 Delayed as Microsoft Prepares Windows 11 25H2 Update

[Deleted member 250678]

Microsoft can call it whatever they want, but unless they materially change the OS such that it does not spam me with advertisements, force all sorts of buggy updates and AI shenanigans on me, I will not be interested. There is no perfect OS, but I am happy to take the lesser evil.

I'm preparing my self & wallet to jump on macOS in 2026.
Got really tired from all the crap from Windows & desktop linux, enough is enough.

 

[Shrek]

I'm just worried that Windows 12 will lock me out (I have a 10th generation Intel CPU)

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm just worried that Windows 12 will lock me out (I have a 10th generation Intel CPU)

Rest assured, when it happens, there WILL be bypasses.

I'm preparing my self & wallet to jump on macOS in 2026.

Oh dear god! Don't do that to yourself. If you're going to go MacOS, ease into it a little bit at a time and start now with an inexpensive used Apple system.

 

[Deleted member 250678]

Oh dear god! Don't do that to yourself. If you're going to go MacOS, ease into it a little bit at a time and start now with an inexpensive used Apple system.

I'm already familiar with unix & unix like systems, so there's nothing which could scare me away from it.
Also, in 2026 M6 cpu is full gaa litho + burn in free tandem phosphorous oled screen and this is everything which I need in this life to be happy about my computer.

 

[Shrek]

Rest assured, when it happens, there WILL be bypasses.

Except that didn't work for my Core 2

Probably for the best as I now have a faster machine and Linux on the old one.

 

[Aereaux]

I have been using 25H2 since 26 March 2025.

 

[Apocalypsee]

Back then, the main reason why I upgrade Windows is because the new DirectX version, since that's no longer the case I found no reason to upgrade.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Except that didn't work for my Core 2

That was due to a Kernel change that the Core2 series doesn't have. They can't do that with anything from 5th gen Core or any of the Ryzen "Zen" arch CPU's

 

[Prima.Vera]

I personally welcome Win 12.
The last Win 11 is nothing by a crappy OS compared to Win 10, and especially Win 7.
Hopefully they will significantly reduce the memory and CPU footprint. Is ridiculous how much RAM the latest OS consumes, also CPU cycles, all for totally useless background processes that a normal user doesn't absolutely need at all.
I still don't understand how Win 7 could run only with 2GB of RAM with no issue, when nowadays 2GB are eaten only by the web browser hog, while 4-6GB are gone only by the OS processes.
Ridiculous.

 

[Broken Processor]

You mean the enthusiasts and gamers that run windows 11 while complaining?

What would they gain from this?

I can run windows games on Linux and they are faster with more stability the only reason I still use windows is anticheat.

Linux isn't perfect but it's a better option for almost everything. Yes it's got issues and it's not beginner friendly and I don't like it everything is more difficult but at least it doesn't force features on me I do not want and doesn't stalk me. I don't see Linux as getting better I see windows as getting worse and that's by their own choice.

Once Microsoft stops the removal of telemetry and features by hooking them into everything preventing me from creating a cleaned ISO I'll just switch to Linux and forget about the software it won't run.

 

[silapakorn]

Still rocking win10 on my main gaming PC, with no major problems in the past six years.

The only feature I want from win11 is the notepad being able to save automatically and have multiple tabs.

 

[GeoffreyA]

It's a guess but what could save Windows is open sourcing it and Microsoft releasing their distribution from that base. This may end up with the fragmentation that afflicts Linux, though. I think that Windows, despite the aging infrastructure, is solid underneath the rubbish; and many of the poor directions over the years seem more marketing than engineering driven.

 

[Vayra86]

Didn't you need a CPU with NPU for Copilot?


They could probably make good money partnering with Steam to promote a stripped down non-bloated windows gaming OS and license that for $15 per device.

No you just need Edge rammed through your throat... and rest assured Microsoft will just insert that web service everywhere in due time.

 

[chrcoluk]

Windows 12 already?

Same thoughts here, I might only migrate to 11 this year. They need to slow down, major builds need to last at least a decade.

 

[Rightness_1]

Microsoft haven't made a new OS since Windows Vista. They are incapable of anything other than a service pack and a slight visual tweak today.

 

[Ruru]

They never said that. Members of the press said it and everyone just went with it but microsoft never made that statement.

I stand corrected, I always remembered that it was an official statement from MS.

 

[Deleted member 250678]

Microsoft haven't made a new OS since Windows Vista. They are incapable of anything other than a service pack and a slight visual tweak today.

WCOS? & what about Singularity os based on a ground breaking exokernel made completely from scratch?

Bro!
They are capable of anything, but they are fine like they are because their butt is not squeezed enough to close completely the butt hole.
However, remember these words son.
When the buttocks on their butt will begin to lock their butt hole, only then!
they will start to move by changing the surrounding situation.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I stand corrected, I always remembered that it was an official statement from MS.

A lot of people did, myself included. Just a Mandela Effect thing. It started with the "Windows-As-A-Service" statements microsoft made years back right around the time Windows 10 went into beta, someone in the press made the claim and the rest was historical myth..

 

[olymind1]

It's a guess but what could save Windows is open sourcing it and Microsoft releasing their distribution from that base. This may end up with the fragmentation that afflicts Linux, though. I think that Windows, despite the aging infrastructure, is solid underneath the rubbish; and many of the poor directions over the years seem more marketing than engineering driven.

Or "just" a highly customizable installer like in the old ones, where i can choose to not install crap i don't need. I can only dream.

 

[Onasi]

I think that Windows, despite the aging infrastructure, is solid underneath the rubbish; and many of the poor directions over the years seem more marketing than engineering driven.

Uh, elaborate? What aging are we talking about, we JUST had a round of butthurt caused by MS actually streamlining and modernizing the kernel and removing support for really ancient at this point hardware along the way. Windows, or rather the NT kernel itself, is absolutely rock solid and is keeping up just fine. All the issues people have are with, as you mentioned, the marketing driven idiocy that MS piles on top of things - the OS at its core itself is absolutely fine.

 

[Rightness_1]

Uh, elaborate? What aging are we talking about, we JUST had a round of butthurt caused by MS actually streamlining and modernizing the kernel and removing support for really ancient at this point hardware along the way. Windows, or rather the NT kernel itself, is absolutely rock solid and is keeping up just fine. All the issues people have are with, as you mentioned, the marketing driven idiocy that MS piles on top of things - the OS at its core itself is absolutely fine.

It's still based on Windows Vista dude! Yes, it is very bug fixed and improved from those days, but it's still an ancient architecture will a million patches to make it work. I agree with the second part of your comment, Windows is bloated beyond belief, and ruins a lot of the clean-up work they did to the underlying OS.

 

[Caring1]

Definitely doing a clean install, it has never ever gone smooth otherwise. First I need to find a safe way to remove some of it's guts though.

Wait to see if they make a stripped down version for handhelds that can be ported.

 

[Deleted member 250678]

Windows, or rather the NT kernel itself, is absolutely rock solid and is keeping up just fine.

Nope.
Till these days there is not true separation of rights between Admin and guest, and it doesn't matter where you are,
because the malware runs the same without even caring if you're guest or admin
and we are talking here about a 35+ years old kernel with such childish flaws....
All this shit is fucking unbelievable!!!

 

[GeoffreyA]

Or "just" a highly customizable installer like in the old ones, where i can choose to not install crap i don't need. I can only dream.

Exactly. I miss those old days when one could trim it so easily.

Uh, elaborate? What aging are we talking about, we JUST had a round of butthurt caused by MS actually streamlining and modernizing the kernel and removing support for really ancient at this point hardware along the way. Windows, or rather the NT kernel itself, is absolutely rock solid and is keeping up just fine. All the issues people have are with, as you mentioned, the marketing driven idiocy that MS piles on top of things - the OS at its core itself is absolutely fine.

Not intended in a derogatory way. I hold in high regard the NT architecture and kernel underneath the nonsense on top of it, which are largely surface level and unnecessary components and services. Old is gold, and the work that Dave Cutler and others did in the '80s and '90s has stood the test of time, even sustaining the major architectural changes that Vista brought.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

Wait to see if they make a stripped down version for handhelds that can be ported.

Or maybe we will have an awesome version of SteamOS by then.

*Edit*

Oh and, I think we will get a new nGreedia driver today, keep a look out folks.