NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series GPUs Make a Dent in Latest Steam Hardware Survey

[JustBenching]

It's priced 900-1000€/$.

I'll leave it at that, I'll let you extrapolate the paragraph I'd have written otherwise.

Its at 799 for at least a month now. Always on stock as well.

 

[TheGeekn°72]

1. Valve can only use the information that the GPU driver exposes, as W1zz said above. Their survey can only go off that.

they could pull more data if they wanted to... unless they're not allowed to because it could qualify as identifiable info or something ?

2. Not a single major game studio would give a flying fuck about “refining” anything based on users hardware - they put together what they can for the corporate deadline and, these days, even if it runs like absolute dogshit the excuse would be “just use upscaling bruh”. Frankly, the information that’s already there is more than enough - they know that the majority of gamers on PC are on x60/x70 tier cards and their AMD equivalents (nobody cares about Intel GPUs, even Intel themselves). Unsurprisingly, this doesn’t stop said developers from releasing peak masterpieces that look like games from 5 years ago and bring down 5090s to their knees.

yeah, I know how it is, that doesn't stop me from calling it out for what it is : absolute bullshit.

Its at 799 for at least a month now. Always on stock as well.

and the 70XT has been 699 for just as long as well, that still doesn't make the 70Ti a better value card, especially with the driver improving performance since launch putting its raster performance ahead of the 70Ti and AMD having a decent answer to essentially all of Nvidia's software suite : FSR4 is visually imperceptible than DLSS4, I replaced everything I used from Nvidia when I had a 3070 with Adrenalin's built-in tools (and I gotta mention that unlike your average gamer, I'm actually using built-in features beyond just upscaling) and honestly, I even dare say it was easier doing so on Adrenalin than it was on Nvidia app. I even had a massively better time tuning my card with the driver's tuning tab than I had Nvidia side, that shit was straight up garbage that BSOD my PC more than I can count...

 

[Onasi]

they could pull more data if they wanted to... unless they're not allowed to because it could qualify as identifiable info or something ?

Valve is the same company who refused to implement a kernel level anti-cheat because they oppose intrusive software measures in their products on a philosophical level. So they would not do that.

 

[Rover4444]

"...desktop gamers eager for improved performance and AI-driven features"

Are desktop gamers eager for AI-driven features? Wasn't there a TPU survey awhile back that indicated otherwise? Maybe I imagined it...

Not everybody's running LLMs, but DLSS and the like are all AI-driven features.

Valve is the same company who refused to implement a kernel level anti-cheat because they oppose intrusive software measures in their products on a philosophical level. So they would not do that.

Common Valve W

 

[TheGeekn°72]

Valve is the same company who refused to implement a kernel level anti-cheat because they oppose intrusive software measures in their products on a philosophical level. So they would not do that.

oh right... fair enough, I forgot about that
(Common Valve W)
still, even if they don't pull motherboard identifiers or client IDs, surely they can poll more *useful* info and improve the readability of the hardware survey DB, that alone would be a good start

 

[JustBenching]

and the 70XT has been 699 for just as long as well

No, the 9070xt was at 729€ this past month, now it actually dropped to 689€.

The rest is your personal opinion, good for you, but for people that want / like / use RT / PT the 9070xt isn't really a good value.

 

[dyonoctis]

2. Not a single major game studio would give a flying fuck about “refining” anything based on users hardware - they put together what they can for the corporate deadline and, these days, even if it runs like absolute dogshit the excuse would be “just use upscaling bruh”. Frankly, the information that’s already there is more than enough - they know that the majority of gamers on PC are on x60/x70 tier cards and their AMD equivalents (nobody cares about Intel GPUs, even Intel themselves). Unsurprisingly, this doesn’t stop said developers from releasing peak masterpieces that look like games from 5 years ago and bring down 5090s to their knees.

I'm of the opinion that games in 2025 do have more details compared to 2020 games, but it's just not the kind of thing that will explode your retina nad make the old stuff instantly look outdated like the generational jump of yesteyear. The computational cost of better graphics is inflating, even if you put aside RT/PT. There's is just more detailled trees (and more of them), grass, rocks, materials looking a bit less flat, but it's the kind of stuff that you only notice when you stop and just stare at the game. In term of polycount alone, I think that we are not too far from what is used in movies, but material interaction with lights is where we are far behind, and still give games that "artificial" look

 

[nguyen]

Well we have some sale data on Amazon US (June)

9070XT are selling about as well as 5070 Ti in the US, but every other RTX5000 outsell the 9070, even the 5090 outsells the 9070 LOL

 

[TheGeekn°72]

No, the 9070xt was at 729€ this past month, now it actually dropped to 689€.

Okay soooo, margin of error ? It's below .5% of variance

The rest is your personal opinion, good for you, but for people that want / like / use RT / PT the 9070xt isn't really a good value.

I've enabled RT on my 70XT and I was far from disappointed, framerates were excellent and only the most heavy RT games that I own suffered a little bit but nothing that could be solved by enabling upscaling (which I only do for edge cases like this)

I probably overpaid for my 70XT since I got it on launch day but that was still insanely better value than the 70Ti that was sold a whole ass 20-22% pricier, even more so *now* thanks to the driver updates since then and even today, I don't think I'd opt for a 70Ti since I don't really play RT heavy games and when I do, I turn the RT down anyways because that's not something I personally enjoy much due to the glaring shortcomings of the tech, such as boiling and non reflected out-of-FOV items amongst other things
PT performance is, in fact, not great but again, see above, *and* AMD's working on Redstone so we'll see how it plays out when it goes live I guess ?

Well we have some sale data on Amazon US (June)
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9070XT are selling about as well as 5070 Ti in the US, but every other RTX5000 outsell the 9070, even the 5090 outsells the 9070 LOL

*Geezus* AMD moves 1/3rd of the volume Nvidia does for 1/5th of the revenue ?? I knew they were cheaper but I genuinely wonder how the fuck do people find the money to get Nvidia cards sometimes

 

[Lew Zealand]

OK Steam, how do you reconcile this:

You're clicking on the directx table to find it?
I can see the vanilla 9070 and a GRE version in there but the 9070 XT is gone and the 9060 is missing. That's crazy.

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9070 on the list of GPUs but not the 9070 XT.

With this:

Well we have some sale data on Amazon US (June)
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9070XT are selling about as well as 5070 Ti in the US, but every other RTX5000 outsell the 9070, even the 5090 outsells the 9070 LOL

9070 XT outsells the 9070 by 4.5:1.

We know the Steam Survey is not data even though loads of people like to argue it's somehow representative. But not often do we have a good indication of how very not-data it is.

 

[nguyen]

9070 XT outsells the 9070 by 4.5:1.

We know the Steam Survey is not data even though loads of people like to argue it's somehow representative. But not often do we have a good indication of how very not-data it is.

Steam does reflect other source such as John Peddie Research though, if you remove all iGPU/APU entries then Nvidia will have 90% marketshare LOL

 

[Lew Zealand]

Steam does reflect other source such as John Peddie Research though, if you remove all iGPU/APU entries then Nvidia will have 90% marketshare LOL

Except Steam and JPR are reading different things. JPR is new sales, Steam is accumulated sales minus attrition for gamers with Steam installed. They can be coincidentally similar or not but they are reading different metrics.

 

[nguyen]

Except Steam and JPR are reading different things. JPR is new sales, Steam is accumulated sales minus attrition for gamers with Steam installed. They can be coincidentally similar or not but they are reading different metrics.

if Steam has Nvidia dGPU at 90% market and Nvidia continue to hold 90% of new sale as reported by JPR, of course the next Steam Survey will reflect that Nvidia has 90% of market share, that's just math.

AMD will have to shake up the market massively for couple quarters to change that ratio, right now RTX5000 are still massively outsell RX9000

 

[the54thvoid]

Cleaning perfomed. Back on track, please.

 

[Lew Zealand]

if Steam has Nvidia dGPU at 90% market and Nvidia continue to hold 90% of new sale as reported by JPR, of course the next Steam Survey will reflect that Nvidia has 90% of market share, that's just math.

AMD will have to shake up the market massively for couple quarters to change that ratio, right now RTX5000 are still massively outsell RX9000

The point of my post is: the 9070 XT is missing from the Steam Survey while it outsells 4.5:1 the Survey-listed 9070 at the biggest retailer in the biggest consumer market on the planet. Showing how unreliable the Survey is. You can quote all you want about other metrics in the Survey that happen to match numbers from another source, but completely missing data shows that parts of the Steam Survey are broken.

Which calls into question how many other parts are similarly broken, for better or worse for any of the big 3 brands.

 

[Visible Noise]

But we thought if AMD would just price their cards competitively as actively emphasized prior to release of the RX 9000 series by tech tubers like Linus, JayzTwoCents and both Steves from Hardware Unboxed and GamerNexus then people would go for the RX9000 series. I guess they are wrong for 100th time as history says even decades ago where ATI would release better cards (price/performance) people would still go for geforce cards. That has always been the trend ever since.

Except the Nvidia cards are objectively better. Features sell. Lets talk again if AMD ever passes Nvidia in feature set, and not with idiotic stuff like trying to make graphics cards into sound cards.

Sure, if you ignore Gigabyte, Asus, Sapphire, XFX, and Asrock. MSI isn't the only supplier for gaming PC's.

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that the ore OEMs don’t buy from those companies? I’ve posted proof at lest twice. Is your ego keeping you intentionally ignorant?

Here: Neither Gigabyte nor Asus sell Prebuilts with AMD cards

https://www.gigabyte.com/Gaming-PC

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And neither do any of the big OEMs as I have posted before.

You keep blaming the consumer. The consumer isn’t responsible for AMD’s image problem, nor AMD’s lack of features and ripoff pricing. AMD is responsible for that, no one else.

 

[Launcestonian]

My 2 cents... it certainly is suspicious this steam hardware survey data. I'm on steam every day & they haven't asked me anything for nearly a year now... unless its automated in the background without user input ok to it.

 

[Visible Noise]

My 2 cents... it certainly is suspicious this steam hardware survey data. I'm on steam every day & they haven't asked me anything for nearly a year now... unless its automated in the background without user input ok to it.

It’s suspicious because you weren’t part of the random sample for a while?

I don’t even have to look, but if I were to look at your system specs I would find an AMD card, right?

 

[Launcestonian]

It’s suspicious because you weren’t part of the random sample for a while?

I don’t even have to look, but if I were to look at your system specs I would find an AMD card, right?

I've been on steam since 2004 & in that whole time I could count on one hand the amount of times my system has been prompted to participate in any steam hardware survey. It's a historically & pathetic indicator of steam users PC hardware builds overall. The randomness of end users chosen & getting there permission for participation adds another mystery to its accurate data representation - that in its self is down to privacy reasons I presume.
Even a site like xda-developers only last week created an article about how misrepresentative the steam hardware survey truly is.

If an AMD card is represented in my system specs, then yes. I don't game on the Arc A750 card - that's a different build.

 

[Visible Noise]

I've been on steam since 2004 & in that whole time I could count on one hand the amount of times my system has been prompted to participate in any steam hardware survey. It's a historically & pathetic indicator of steam users PC hardware builds overall. The randomness of end users chosen & getting there permission for participation adds another mystery to its accurate data representation - that in its self is down to privacy reasons I presume.
Even a site like xda-developers only last week created an article about how misrepresentative the steam hardware survey truly is.

If an AMD card is represented in my system specs, then yes. I don't game on the Arc A750 card - that's a different build.

Huh? been having the steam survey invite for consecutive years here since the 2000s. You must not get on steam regularly then?
Imho, the steam survey is a pretty good indicator of market usage with PC gaming.

Someone forgot they have a post history. Seems these two posts can’t both be true at the same time.

Oopsies!

 

[TheGeekn°72]

Except the Nvidia cards are objectively better. Features sell. Lets talk again if AMD ever passes Nvidia in feature set, and not with idiotic stuff like trying to make graphics cards into sound cards.

I game, (multi)stream, edit videos and play VR, I was on a 3070 and moved on a 9070XT
I've been able to replace every single one of the features (multi encode sessions on different codecs, noise suppression, LLM-based video analysis, etc...) I've been using with Nvidia and it was a better process to do so navigating Adrenalin than it was with Nvidia app

AMD’s lack of features and ripoff pricing. AMD is responsible for that, no one else.

with the sole exception of ray reconstruction/path tracing -for which they announced Redstone was for, with a release planned end of year- I genuinely can't tell a single Nvidia feature AMD doesn't have a working answer to and as far as I'm concerned, I tried them all

I still would like to know what these entries mean under the GPU section:

AMD Radeon Graphics 2.05%
AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics 1.99%
AMD AMD Custom GPU 0405 0.45%
AMD Radeon Vega 8 Graphics 0.4%
AMD Radeon Graphics (RADV VANGOGH) 0.35%
AMD Radeon (TM) Graphics 0.29% (second one)
AMD Radeon Vega 3 Graphics 0.23%
Other 9.45%

Some of the above I can guess but the Steam Survey seems to be unable to identify some AMD graphics correctly. So this statement:

Cannot be made if AMD graphics are not being identified correctly.

Clearly, they can identify them if they use another variable (DirectX Card here shown at the bottom) than the driver name
I'm guessing they don't because it's not reliable/could be spoofed or something ?

 

[Hecate91]

Why do you keep ignoring the fact that the ore OEMs don’t buy from those companies?

I'm not ignoring anything, and I was referring to PC building companies like Origin, Digital Storm, Falcon Northwest, or Starforge.
No one buys a Asus or MSI branded PC unless they want to be ripped off on an overpriced system in a cheap case.

You keep blaming the consumer.

The consumer is to blame when they keep falling for marketing BS and keep buying based on mindshare. It is up to the consumer to educate themselves to buy based on their needs, not blindly buying the green box because their favorite influencer promotes the brand.

AMD’s lack of features and ripoff pricing.

I agree with @TheGeekn°72 I've tried AMD's features, and I can't tell any difference, although I'd rather play games at native resolution without any fake frames.

 

[TheGeekn°72]

The consumer is to blame when they keep falling for marketing BS and keep buying based on mindshare. It is up to the consumer to educate themselves to buy based on their needs, not blindly buying the green box because their favorite influencer promotes the brand.

Unfortunately, "marketing is fair game" and by that I mean is that as long as it's legally not fake advertising and that people keep falling for it, it will continue and the only thing we can "hope" for, sorta, is for competition to get their own marketing on the same level

I agree with @TheGeekn°72 I've tried AMD's features, and I can't tell any difference, although I'd rather play games at native resolution without any fake frames.

I play games at 1440p high/ultra without upscaling or frame generation, firstly because I barely tolerate upscaling -just for edge cases where really the graphics are heavy and I'm not satisfied with the frame rate I'm getting, which I haven't had to do just yet- and I won't be caught dead using FG -and also the sheer capacity of my 70XT to spit out frames like does on the games I play doesn't require it either anyways-

Secondly, GPU have absolutely ginormous amount of processing power, the blame falls on studios for not allocating the dev time required to optimize games and Nvidia for introducing upscaling -I know it already existed before they did it, but they're the ones who developed it for use with games- and FG which are now massively used as crutches by game studios, I'll refer to one of my past posts about this

If a game doesn't run properly on current to current minus 2 (if not 3) generation, I won't play it because it just means it's technical garbage and needs to be sent back to studio for optimization.

 

[RogueSix]

Someone forgot they have a post history. Seems these two posts can’t both be true at the same time.

Oopsies!

Haha beautiful .... dude been caught with pants around ankles .

I have a day 1 Steam account and haven't kept track but the prompt for Steam Hardware Survey comes up maybe somewhere in between every two to three years for me so, rough guess, about 7 - 10 times over the last 21+ years. I have never participated in it because Valve is already mining more than enough data from us so why give them even more? I'd rather not help them spying on me more than the bare necessary minimum (which is already a ton due to Valve tracking every click and every move of their users).

I own an RTX 5090 btw so the theory of that one guy who said that nVidia high end card owners would be more likely to participate for "boasting" does not fly in my case. Some of us don't have fragile egos, you know?

It is irrelevant anyway since statistics are a real thang and it does not matter one bit whether any single one of us has been asked a dozen times or five dozen times and whether we have participated or not. The Steam sample size is so HUGE (~130 million active monthly users alone and hundreds of millions of accounts in total) that the data is bound to be very accurate with only marginal deviations. That's how polling statistics works.

Finally can't help but find it funny how the same AMD fanbois who claimed that the absence of RTX 5000 cards a few months back was most definitely related to cards rotting on shelves but now that Radeon 9000s are a no-show it is all because Steam Hardware Survey sucks or because Valve and nVidia are actively manipulating it. Yep. Suuuuurrrrre .

Dear AMD fanbois: Give it some more time. Just like the RTX 5000 cards, the Radeons will also need more time to build up a relevant sample size. Then they will start showing up like their RTX 5000 brethren.
I'm not sure though why AMD fanbois feel like they've been wronged. Just look at any recent AMD financial report. Their gaming division has been a disaster for several quarters in a row now. Double digit decreases every time. AMD gaming was down 30% YoY last quarter (Q1/2025) and 59% down in Q4/2024, 69% down in Q3/2024, 59% down again in Q2/2024, 48% down in Q1/2024 and so on... notice a pattern here?

 

[Visible Noise]

The consumer is to blame when they keep falling for marketing BS and keep buying based on mindshare.

Consumers are not to blame because they don’t purchase the products you want them to.

It is not the consumer’s job to support brands. If AMD’s marketing is a failure that can’t get them mindshare that’s on AMD.