NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series GPUs Make a Dent in Latest Steam Hardware Survey

[nguyen]

LOL it's funny when people chose to buy an unpopular brand and then get mad that it's an unpopular brand .

It will take a lot more than 9070XT for Radeon to gain traction, and most importantly Nvidia has to stumble like Intel did for several generations.

Right now Radeon only offer 4 products and 2 of them don't sell (9060XT 8GB and 9070 non-XT), Idk how AMD is going gain 40% marketshare with this strategy (according to AMD Jack Huynh)

 

[JustBenching]

Consumers are not to blame because they don’t purchase the products you want them to.

It is not the consumer’s job to support brands. If AMD’s marketing is a failure that can’t get them mindshare that’s on AMD.

Yeah, I think unleashing people on forums twitter etc. that spam "ngreedia" and "everyone that buys ngreedia isn't smart" isn't a good marketing strategy. I'd spend money to not support the brand that does this, so it really backfires for amd.

 

[wolf]

What makes you say it is exaggerated or not enough data?

Doesn't align with their worldview I suspect, I've noticed a pretty strong correlation between those who disparage the steam survey results and certain brand preferences.

Yeah, I think unleashing people on forums twitter etc. that spam "ngreedia" and "everyone that buys ngreedia isn't smart" isn't a good marketing strategy. I'd spend money to not support the brand that does this, so it really backfires for amd.

I've talked about that before a few times, it must be very frustrating for AMD / Radeon division that their most vocal supporters can be so counter-intuitively unpleasant and negative as to be genuinely off-putting to the exact people AMD wants to attract and convert to customers - conversions from those who would buy/have bought GeForce in the past. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar after all. Now I don't mean to say anyone who would do the opposite is doing the right thing either, but Nvidia's dominant market position means it barely matters, AMD need all the market share they can get.

 

[PixelTech]

It's odd that I don't get prompted more often to take Steam's survey. For the about 10 years I've been playing on Steam, i've had about 3 or 4 prompts to take the survey. If they asked me each month, I'd gladly submit my specs every time!
Does Steam hardware surveys only prompt one day of the month, that I'm just missing so many times of the year?

 

[Lew Zealand]

I get prompted for the survey at least twice a year and for a time a couple years ago, it was about 5-6 months in a row. I switch my config and computer a lot though, having 2 main PCs, 2 slightly older backup PCs, a couple of regular use Mini PCs, and 4-6 parts-bin Dell Precision/Optiplexes with various PSUs and GPUs in them. So maybe that triggers the Steam algorithm to see new equipment from the same login and run the survey. It's far from 1:1 but seems more often than most here.

 

[DaemonForce]

I don't typically weigh in with my specs and Steam prompted me for the survey every single launch for ALL of June.
So, ~a dozen times. Just not in the mood to share that data when shuffling components around is more interesting.

LOL it's funny when people chose to buy an unpopular brand and then get mad that it's an unpopular brand .

The majority of people here are gamers™ yet for some reason very few are overclockers or creators.
For gaming, no one cares about much outside raster, which plants a good % of us in the AMD camp.
Overclocking is always on the table for AMD products but encode has always suffered until recently.
Nvidia teases numerous features and holds market dominance with CUDA/NVENC feature support.
If you need it, get it. Or don't. We don't care.

The only recent pissing match has been over ray tracing and nvidia flaunts their specific brand of it.
The recent product loadouts from either camp has blurred the lines for choosing a card that matters.
Literally the only reason to choose an nvidia product at this point is if you want NVENC or need CUDA.
Everyone has a combination of hardware that allows everything. This isn't some RED/Wildcat situation.

The Steam survey is a result of data shared by users but it has odd specifics that make it unreliable.

Cannot be made if AMD graphics are not being identified correctly.

Literally the first reply to the thread. Others obviously know there are issues. I wasn't sure about where.

I'd have thought for sure the 9070 series would be visible here already, I guess we keep waiting.

I basically locked in on this part because I've had a 9070XT since March and it's odd to see no mention or movement.
The short of it is there's a way to miss it. When you open the Steam survey stats, this is the chart list we all see:

So naturally I click on Video Card MFG stats. The 9070 and its variants don't exist. Until we click the DX10/11/12 Systems chart.
Why? No idea. Soooo that happens to AMD cards. How many nvidia or other brand cards get shuffled out of the chart?
It couldn't be that AMD is the only one that gets misreported in the survey right? Surely the data itself isn't bad...

 

[Visible Noise]

I basically locked in on this part because I've had a 9070XT since March and it's odd to see no mention or movement.

Your one card isn’t going to move the needle.

Steam prompted me for the survey every single launch for ALL of June.

Couldn’t happen. Didn’t you read the thread? Steam is biased against AMD users and doesn’t survey them,

 

[tpa-pr]

...not quite sure why a thread about Nvidia's cards had to change into a thread about where AMD are on the chart, but sure.

Anyway, I don't quite know if I agree with this line: "These figures show a swift uptake by desktop gamers eager for improved performance and AI-driven features", mainly because I'm not sure how an uptick of cards on a gaming store imply a desire for AI features? Wouldn't it simply be that the 50-series cards are simply more available and hold the "gaming card" mindshare?

 

[TheGeekn°72]

The only recent pissing match has been over ray tracing and nvidia flaunts their specific brand of it.
The recent product loadouts from either camp has blurred the lines for choosing a card that matters.
Literally the only reason to choose an nvidia product at this point is if you want NVENC or need CUDA.
Everyone has a combination of hardware that allows everything. This isn't some RED/Wildcat situation.

even then, NVENC 9th gen's only real advantage right now is YUV 4:2:2 support, AMD's Media Engine supports everything else that NVENC 8th gen does and with the encoder "rebuild" it now performs a hell of a lot better than before, making any visual difference virtually imperceptible to 99.9999% people
(you REALLY have to be pixel peeking on stopped frames to tell and even then, that's super hard to find nearly insignificant differences, if you show me a slightly blurry bush in a video that was transcoded on a RDNA4 card, I'm gonna ask you straight up "who the fuck cares ? that bush isn't the gameplay I'm watching")

Radeon's RT capacity made quite the leap with RDNA4 and there's also Redstone, which *should* -according to AMD- bridge Radeon's lacking PT capabilities (much like the 5070=4090, I'll believe it when I see it but despite lacking in the software dept., AMD had a tendency of pooping out "wonder tech" that can somehow hold up their ground well enough to exist as a viable competitor)

And to my surprise, ZLUDA that I thought dead after both Intel and AMD had a go at it, is apparently picking up speed with now a *second* dev ! No idea when that'll come online but ngl, between ROCm also catching up little by little with CUDA and this, the gap is closing ever so sligthly, the real question is *when* will it be closed enough for it to actually matter

So naturally I click on Video Card MFG stats. The 9070 and its variants don't exist. Until we click the DX10/11/12 Systems chart.
Why? No idea. Soooo that happens to AMD cards. How many nvidia or other brand cards get shuffled out of the chart?
It couldn't be that AMD is the only one that gets misreported in the survey right? Surely the data itself isn't bad...

For some reason, drivers report them as "AMD(tm) Graphics" or whatever (genuinely wonder if it's AMD's fault on that one) it shows up like but if you do a check of your system specs in Steam, it does poll your machine for a variable that could help accurately identify the card : "DirectX Card" does show the correct card name... Now, I don't know if it's a reliable variable to use ? Maybe it can easily be spoofed ? Maybe not all 9070XTs show as 9070XTs in that variable (though I don't see a reason why they wouldn't) ? Only Valve knows the answer and only them can fix the way their database works. Maybe Microsoft could offer an alternative (since gamers are still aplenty on Windows) and they have likely much more accurate telemetry but who knows if they ever would make that data available to us...

Your one card isn’t going to move the needle.

No, but one of the best (in terms of stocks) launch from AMD in recent history going out of stock consistently for a whole month across three continents despite the fake MSRP will.

 

[Onasi]

For some reason, drivers report them as "AMD(tm) Graphics" or whatever (genuinely wonder if it's AMD's fault on that one) it shows up like but if you do a check of your system specs in Steam, it does poll your machine for a variable that could help accurately identify the card : "DirectX Card" does show the correct card name... Now, I don't know if it's a reliable variable to use ? Maybe it can easily be spoofed ? Maybe not all 9070XTs show as 9070XTs in that variable (though I don't see a reason why they wouldn't) ? Only Valve knows the answer and only them can fix the way their database works.

Valve has nothing to do with it, AMD driver just exposes the cards in a sometimes scuffed way. The Survey is displaying what it gets from the driver. If AMD is uninterested in fixing the issue - their loss in terms of perception.
Once again I will reiterate - the Radeon division has great people working on the hardware itself. It’s usually good to even great. Every one else there is a cretin. An imbecile. A waste of oxygen. The cards are good. Every single thing AROUND them is handled in the most incompetent way possible every single time.

The majority of people here are gamers™ yet for some reason very few are overclockers or creators.
For gaming, no one cares about much outside raster, which plants a good % of us in the AMD camp.
Overclocking is always on the table for AMD products but encode has always suffered until recently.

Gamers are so much in the AMD camp that NV holds 90% of the market. Creators and professionals are solely using NVidia, AMD cards are a meme there. Overclocking is dead and irrelevant outside of XOC dick measuring contests.

Anyway, I don't quite know if I agree with this line: "These figures show a swift uptake by desktop gamers eager for improved performance and AI-driven features", mainly because I'm not sure how an uptick of cards on a gaming store imply a desire for AI features? Wouldn't it simply be that the 50-series cards are simply more available and hold the "gaming card" mindshare?

Yeah, AleksandrK has been on the AI hype train in his news articles for a while and I have no idea why. He shoves it into every single editorial.

 

[TheGeekn°72]

Valve has nothing to do with it, AMD driver just exposes the cards in a sometimes scuffed way. The Survey is displaying what it gets from the driver. If AMD is uninterested in fixing the issue - their loss in terms of perception.
Once again I will reiterate - the Radeon division has great people working on the hardware itself. It’s usually good to even great. Every one else there is a cretin. An imbecile. A waste of oxygen. The cards are good. Every single thing AROUND them is handled in the most incompetent way possible every single time.

I agree that AMD marketing is straight up incompetent and that the software division could use some changes depending on what you talk about (driver reporting is stupid for sure, Adrenalin is certainly more comfortable than Nvidia app, ROCm is a work in progress that should have started and ramped up years ago)

Overclocking is dead and irrelevant outside of XOC dick measuring contests.

I respectfully but strongly disagree with this take, I've encountered a great deal of people who do OC on a regular basis of all different kinds of hardware and they helped me tremendously when I wanted to tune/OC my RAM, tweak PBO and OC my GPU, it couldn't be further from dead with the amount of people making up the OC/tuning community

Relevance only depends on who you ask, personally I think juicing out another 5% out of my card on an appropriate overclock/undervolt is nice

If anything, XOC is the irrelevant part here, since only catering to people with the means to acquire the hardware and tools to run their competitions and world records.

 

[Onasi]

I respectfully but strongly disagree with this take, I've encountered a great deal of people who do OC on a regular basis of all different kinds of hardware and they helped me tremendously when I wanted to tune/OC my RAM, tweak PBO and OC my GPU, it couldn't be further from dead with the amount of people making up the OC/tuning community

Survivorship bias due to lurking tech forums. 90%+ of users do not and will not ever OC. Little point too since most HW just OCs itself essentially via boost algorithms.

Relevance only depends on who you ask, personally I think juicing out another 5% out of my card on an appropriate overclock/undervolt is nice

5% is margin of error levels of difference. If one wants to tinker due to personal satisfaction derived from that - be my guest, it’s a hobby. But practically speaking there is little actual performance difference that matters. Oh wow, I get 125 FPS instead of 120, how… absolutely inconsequential.

 

[DaemonForce]

5% is margin of error levels of difference

Really? When we're centering entire performance classes around it? What is 5% really?
Looks a bit wild when you start to open up the big picture and boxing cards into place.

there is little actual performance difference that matters. Oh wow, I get 125 FPS instead of 120, how… absolutely inconsequential.

As a FPS ceiling it's an omen, as an average it's a lot and as a 1% minimum it's massive. There are reasons we benchmark.
I've had a decent 144Hz monitor since 2016 that didn't have me racing for a new GPU until I did something that needed it.
60Hz displays were still very much the norm and 90Hz Oculus HMDs were finally starting to appear but good.
You don't need me coming here to say that hardware is weird.

Streaming and making videos is just a hobby for some and it pulls good daily $$$ numbers when done well.
Creators will usually game/stream at something that resembles a 60/120Hz rate. We've all seen frame dips.
125 has an advantage over 120 in these situations. For some it breaks the line of unplayable or unwatchable.
If that's what it takes to make something bearable, people are going to try it.

Some point this year and I estimate very soon, maybe September...One of those 50xx cards will breach 5% in Steam survey.
That many more people will expect its performance. What do you suppose that really means? I already have some ideas.

It means after a certain time, there will be many more people with a 5070 struggling to maintain performance at stock settings.
I could be entirely wrong about that and everyone makes a sudden mad dash for the 5070Ti or 5080 but it seems unlikely.
When new card generations ship, they usually have pretty good adoption. We're not seeing that anymore.