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AMD Radeon RX 9070 GRE Tested, Fills Gap Between RX 9060 XT and RX 9070

Wait, why for China only?
Whats the catch?
 
5070 TI for example is more linear to the older base 70 class from the GTX 600-1000 series generation.
Yes, this is what I'm getting at, the x70Ti has the die size of an x70 part yet costs more, it isn't just inflation being a factor, paying more to get less is the main issue. Another concern is if AMD will follow this tactic with RDNA5/UDNA as the architecture will be unified for compute and gaming.
Wait, why for China only?
Whats the catch?
Probably excess defective 9070xt chips, similar to the 7900GRE, perhaps the 9070GRE will get a global launch if there are enough dies.
 
Not sure about RX 9060 XT but RX 9070 XT are selling very well by amd's standards.

RX 9070 XT is above MSRP because people are buying it well. Look at RX 9060 XT 16GB it's even right now much sooner already at its msrp people probably are not buying it as well becouse of poor p/p ratio. You have 16GB of VRAM but weak performance in generel even for it's price and RTX 5060 Ti 16GB is similar story.

In this generation

50 Class gpus are weak RTX 5050 same as RTX 4060 for same price waste of two years zero gains
60 Class gpus are weak RTX 5060 Ti 16GB, RX 9060 XT 16GB weak performance for the money
70 Class gpus are only average RTX 5070 12GB, RX 9070 XT, RX 9070 only average nothing more (RTX 5070 Ti is the worst of those three)
80 Class gpus are weak RTX 5080 performance gain is extremely terrible
90 Class gpus are weak RTX 5090 average perfomance jump but price.... It's not a gaming gpu more like titan crap or something like that where you are paying for name not for actual performance.

50 Class: Will sell to a fault in emerging countries, and an eventual slot power 75W model has a nice niche all to itself in the HTPC/SFF market. AMD seems uninterested in the low-end dGPU segment, we haven't had anything here since the 6500 XT.

60 Class: Prebuilts alone cover this segment. It will sell an inordinate amount through DIY, and the 9060 XT needs better street pricing to make an impression. Buyers of 60 class GPUs are generally value sensitive and don't hesitate on having the absolute latest technology available to them, which should open this market to options the RX 6/7600 series, or the RTX 4060 duo of cards.

70 Class: The only place where AMD poses any meaningful competition. The 9070 is IMHO a better purchase than the 5070, and the 5070 Ti/9070 XT trade blows to an equal extent: customer has to decide what they prefer and what works better for their use case, with street pricing taken into account.

80 Class: This is where price concerns go out of the window, as AMD offers no GPUs worthy of being compared to the 80 Class this generation. It's a poor value proposition, most gamers would be better serviced by the RTX 5070 Ti or 9070 XT GPUs on a cost proposition, but the fact remains the RTX 5080 has an uncontested performance lead if price isn't taken into account. If AMD is smart, they'll position the Pro R9700 at the $1500 level, cheaper than the 5090 and certainly far less powerful, but with enough video memory to make a dent in the applications that don't run well on the 9070 XT due to its VRAM capacity (which are few, but exist). If AMD prices it like the RTX 5090, unless the application is validated/certified exclusively on Radeon Pro platform by the ISV or there is a mortal need for ECC memory support, it's an inferior product when compared to the RTX 5090 in every possible manner, regardless of use case.

90 Class: At 2x+ the competition's top generational performance... that's a wrap, they can charge practically whatever by this point. The RTX 5090 has no equal, and sets the minimum benchmark the the UDNA architecture has to beat by late 2026/early 2027.
 
I would buy this card for $450 US in the current market (maybe $400 in an ideal world), although I'm happy with my XFX 9070 non-XT that I was able to snag at $550 a few weeks ago. Decent value for someone who wants a bit more 1440p horsepower than the 9060 XT, but doesn't want to spend $$$ for a 9070 or 9070 XT. 12GB is a bit tight but acceptable for that price (looking at you 5070; $550+ is too much for that capacity nowadays, in my opinion). I imagine you could get 5-10% real-world uplift with -70 to -100 mV core offset, +10% power limit to ~242 watts, and +10% VRAM frequency; 50% more CUs than the 9060 XT, so there should be some headroom. Alternatively, -70 to -100 mV, -10% power limit to ~198 watts, everything else stock for pretty reasonable efficiency at approx. stock performance.

I kind of see this card succeeding the 7700 XT specs-wise (which never really had the performance to justify the $400-450 price point), while being more comparable to the 7800 XT / 7900 GRE with better RT in role or market segment. I think this could be a good card overall for the global market. There's not a decent card right now between the 5060 Ti 16GB / 9060 XT 16GB and 5070 / 9070 non-XT (that's typically about a 30-40 FPS gap at 1440p), which is right where this card is positioned. More options, at least.

As an aside, don't those FPS averages seem kind of low? I see that they're using geomean (which I like to see), but the 9070 XT should probably be at more like 110-120 geomean rasterized FPS in current 1440p titles with high-ultra settings, the 5070 Ti at about the same, maybe 115-125, and 9060 XT 16GB at 60-70 based on the other benchmarks that I've seen recently (see TPU most recent Sapphire Pulse 9060 XT or 5050 reviews). Everything is about where it should be relative to each other, but the numbers just seem low. I wonder what games + how many they used for those charts.
 
Yes, this is what I'm getting at, the x70Ti has the die size of an x70 part yet costs more, it isn't just inflation being a factor, paying more to get less is the main issue. Another concern is if AMD will follow this tactic with RDNA5/UDNA as the architecture will be unified for compute and gaming.

I mean.. it's a little bit of everything. TSMC was selling 28nm @ 3K per wafer. Current 4N is closer to 20K. This is ignoring yield rate.

It's not just linear die size, but inflation, card EE design, and PCB layer requirements increasing cost all around. Not that black and white.

Margins on certain older xx70 cards were prob higher than they are now.

60 Class: Prebuilts alone cover this segment. It will sell an inordinate amount through DIY, and the 9060 XT needs better street pricing to make an impression. Buyers of 60 class GPUs are generally value sensitive and don't hesitate on having the absolute latest technology available to them, which should open this market to options the RX 6/7600 series, or the RTX 4060 duo of cards.

70 Class: The only place where AMD poses any meaningful competition. The 9070 is IMHO a better purchase than the 5070, and the 5070 Ti/9070 XT trade blows to an equal extent: customer has to decide what they prefer and what works better for their use case, with street pricing taken into account.

Bingo.

Only case I'd make for the 5070 is high refresh rate esports (360hz+ 1440p/500hz+ 1080p). NVIDIA's DX11 container seems more optimal across more setups.
 
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Not sure about RX 9060 XT but RX 9070 XT are selling very well by amd's standards.

RX 9070 XT is above MSRP because people are buying it well. Look at RX 9060 XT 16GB it's even right now much sooner already at its msrp people probably are not buying it as well becouse of poor p/p ratio. You have 16GB of VRAM but weak performance in generel even for it's price and RTX 5060 Ti 16GB is similar story.

In this generation

50 Class gpus are weak RTX 5050 same as RTX 4060 for same price waste of two years zero gains
60 Class gpus are weak RTX 5060 Ti 16GB, RX 9060 XT 16GB weak performance for the money
70 Class gpus are only average RTX 5070 12GB, RX 9070 XT, RX 9070 only average nothing more (RTX 5070 Ti is the worst of those three)
80 Class gpus are weak RTX 5080 performance gain is extremely terrible
90 Class gpus are weak RTX 5090 average perfomance jump but price.... It's not a gaming gpu more like titan crap or something like that where you are paying for name not for actual performance.
Note: Generally speaking some of my comments are from a broader perspective as I not only looking into this sector of the market but other markets that might be affect by this sector as well as global politics that do affect my bottom line.

Now to your comment:
AMD Standards?... questionable at best as I do not trust anything they have stated due to their talking head marketing department. Actual cards being sold and taking market share? No. The data is out there as AMD continues to lose market share against Nvidia.

If AMD would have not pulled its BullSh!t marketing lies about the price of its video Cards and actually kept its MSRP prices during launch... Well they would have had a massive hit. Instead $200+ plus on the 9070XT and $150 on the Non XT version. Note: I can now find the 9070 @ $600 @ Newegg. But still this IMHO hurt AMD bottom line.

People no not have the money to deal with AMD's Bullsh!t. And a factor why they might go to Nvidia is that they do have a decent resale value of their video cards.

NOTE: I invest into several markets. I collect data globally on the markets I am into. People are starting to get nervious once again as there is less income to do things. This pattern I've seen in 2006 and 2021. I have shifted my portfolio accordingly.

I have stated in the past I do NOT like Dr. Lisa Su and the way she is managing this corporation. For that reason I do not invest into that company.
 
If AMD would have not pulled its BullSh!t marketing lies about the price of its video Cards and actually kept its MSRP prices during launch
The pricing was out of their control, because of the global politics you mentioned yourself, and due to the stranglehold Nvidia has on the market they can allocate more fab space than AMD can.
People don't have the money for AMD, but somehow they have they money to deal with Nvidia's BS. I'll assume you're an Nvidia shareholder given you state you don't like Lisa Su, IMO she's doing a fine job given all of the anti-competitive things Jensen is pulling on the market, and just to mention I don't have any shares in AMD. The only issue AMD has is marketing, but I could personally care less about the marketing nonsense and let the product speak for itself.
 
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Yes, this is what I'm getting at, the x70Ti has the die size of an x70 part yet costs more, it isn't just inflation being a factor, paying more to get less is the main issue. Another concern is if AMD will follow this tactic with RDNA5/UDNA as the architecture will be unified for compute and gaming.

Probably excess defective 9070xt chips, similar to the 7900GRE, perhaps the 9070GRE will get a global launch if there are enough dies.
combination of chip issues and popularity I would say, if it proves a win/win and not many issues with most of todays titles then they will look at other markets to see if it makes sense depending on geo political factors like US import tariffs etc.
 
The pricing was out of their control, because of the global politics you mentioned yourself, and due to the stranglehold Nvidia has on the market they can allocate more fab space than AMD can. People don't have the money for AMD, but somehow they have they money to deal with Nvidia's BS. I'll assume you're an Nvidia shareholder given you state you don't like Lisa Su, IMO she's doing a fine job given all of the anti-competitive things Jensen is pulling on the market, and just to mention I don't have any shares in AMD. The only issue AMD has is marketing, but I could personally care less about the marketing nonsense and let the product speak for itself.

Not the case at all, it's AMD that doesn't prioritize the Radeon business. They are a CPU company first and foremost, while Nvidia is a GPU company first and foremost. Radeon (and GeForce, really) is low margin with high R&D and CapEx, besides, fighting this war with a losing product is trying to beat a firearm with a toothpick. Lisa Su isn't that benevolent, and she's not "holding off Jensen Huang's Orc armies". If anything, she has a few Uruk-hai of her own (AMD's now-complete and unopposed monopoly of the HEDT market, with products at the multiple thousand dollar range, something not even Intel dared when it held this monopoly a decade ago).

combination of chip issues and popularity I would say, if it proves a win/win and not many issues with most of todays titles then they will look at other markets to see if it makes sense depending on geo political factors like US import tariffs etc.

Navigating these right now is supremely challenging. The global scenario is extremely fragile, tensions running high. But the 9070 GRE is no different from the 7900 GRE, 6800 or the "2048 SP RX 580", these are products for emerging markets (largely China) carved out of low grade, imperfect silicon. Instead of trashing it, bin it low and sell, nothing wrong with that.

If what we currently refer to as "UDNA" is competitive in feature set and performance to the RTX 60 series, you can fully expect to see a similar product stack to what we have on Nvidia today, as SKU spam is one of the ways bean counters have made the low-margin consumer segment work.
 
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