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50IsTheNewGamer

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Hello, wise tech wizards.
I want to get back into PC gaming, but I've been out of the game for 20 years.
A lot has happened in this PC jungle, and I can't see through it anymore. So I'm asking for your wisdom and magic to help an old fart like me find his gaming happiness.
Let the magic begin.



CPU
(Usage? First Gaming, Movies watching in 4k, surfing Internet,
Motherboard Wifi 7, Bluetooth 5.4, Usb 4 or less, HDMI 2.1, Overclocking i dondt know about it but in the Future of course i need.
Graphics Card Playing AAA Games 120fps or more.
RAM What i need for the Build
SSD's/HDD's 2TB fast ssd
Case Fractal Design Torrent Black , looks nice, Water cooling or cpu fan i dont know ?
Monitor i have a LG c1 tv, i buy a monitor later.
Operating System Windows 11
Peripherals
Mice, keyboard, i need this to
Cooling (CPU AMD, GPU i dondt know

BUDGET 2500€-3500€ I buy in Germany, Europe
PURPOSE OF THE BUILD most Gaming
ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE,i have nothing
OVERCLOCK OR NOT? Later yes
 
I made a list for you to give you some things to think about. Things I was considering for this: at 4K, 120Hz is sometimes hard to reach without a super high end graphics card, especially if you want to turn up the settings (like ray tracing). So I prioritized a high end gpu for that, the only one that looks available is the 5080 and I just picked one of the cheapest ones for the purpose of this list. I'd read reviews on them if you can find them and see if any of the price differences between models make it worth it for you. If you're willing to buy a used 4090, it's a better gpu than the 5080, with the exception of multi-frame-generation, which is a software trick that only works with the 5000-series. It gives you more fps, but 3/4 of them are fake estimated frames between the real ones. So it still feels like the original fps number because the latency is not improving like the fps. It also adds a bunch of ghosting on any moving images, so I'm not a fan of it. If you buy a 5080, try it out and decide for yourself as some people like it or at least appreciate the benefits over the cost.

AMD has better gaming cpus via the X3D models, but they're all more expensive and the motherboards are often pricier too for the better ones. Also, at 4k, there's not going to be a difference in most modern cpus and you'd need at least a 4090 or 5090 gpu to see that anyway. I tried to find a cheaper one that meets the asks you had listed, but if you're willing to use wifi 6E, there are more cheaper options. The 265k has been discounted lately and it's currently a hard deal to beat for the performance it offers. This Intel platform would benefit from 8000MHz memory, but the gain would be small so I opted for an affordable kit with low latency. This is where the AMD X3D chips have an advantage, they don't care as much about the memory, so you can buy 6000MHz memory with decent timings and be just fine.

The air cooler there is one of a few from that company that have been beating everyone else out there for cheap. The CPU I picked doesn't get that hot anyway, so it's more than adequate. The case you picked is suited for an air cooler, not aio or liquid, so that's what pushed me in that direction.

I went with two ssd's. You have space for them and games these days take up tons of room, so I figured a 2TB OS drive would last forever and the 4TB for game storage. It will still fill up if you game a lot and dont delete games you don't play anymore.

Keyboards...well, this is a rabbit hole and I didn't pick you one. I have a custom mechanical keyboard that I like using, but the company sucks and unless they're on sale they're way overpriced. Keychron is a great option (that has MANY options within the brand) if you need a place to start. I also like Epomaker for some budget options. There are tons of switch options out there, I recommend the Cherry Mx2a switches (not original cherry MX as those had some issues which were fixed in the new ones). You can definitely go with a pre-built or off the shelf keyboard, but watch out for the "gamer" ones as there's a lot that are just overpriced rgb, wobbly loud rattling junk. I like a quiet keyboard and while mechanical keyboards are great for gaming, I only use silent switches because I don't feel like the 90's keyboard sounds are something we need to go back to haha.

I picked a mouse quickly that is based on the g502 X I have that I like. These are kind of hard to just order at random unless you know what you like. From a hand shape, button arrangement, etc. Perspective everyone is different and has different needs. I don't like going through batteries or charging a mouse so I prefer wired mice, but that's up to you. Most are trying to be light these days as the competitive FPS gamers like to do big "flicks" across their whole gaming desk mat and whatnot. Personally, light is better than heavy, but the skeletonized mice are just a dust trap lol so there's such a thing as too far. Read some reviews and try to pick something that lasts a while for people. I'm a bit picky on the surface and found an awesome mouse pad from a Japanese company called artisen. They have different options based on your needs, but honestly, most desk mats or newer mouse pads will be fine. There's just a deep dive market for everything these days.

I sorted power supplies by 1200W and from a few brands I like these days: be quiet!, Corsair, Seasonic, FSP, Super Flower...and one of the cheaper ones is the one I have that has been great so it's on the list. Pick something that is rated atx 3.0 (or 3.1) and pcie 5.0. Be careful with the new gpu connectors/cables. Don't buy a cheap aftermarket one. Make SURE it is completely seated into the gpu and power supply connectors and don't put a bend on the cable within 30mm of the connector. Follow that simple guidance and you'll most likely have no issues here.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core Ultra 7 265K 3.9 GHz 20-Core Processor (€297.05 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€50.89 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z890 AORUS ELITE WIFI7 ATX LGA1851 Motherboard (€238.59 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7200 CL34 Memory (€151.90 @ Alza)
Storage: Western Digital WD_Black SN850X 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€142.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital WD_Black SN850X 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€277.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Inno3D X3 OC GeForce RTX 5080 16 GB Video Card (€1119.89 @ Mindfactory)
Case: Fractal Design Torrent ATX Mid Tower Case (€195.43 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: be quiet! Straight Power 12 1200 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€216.99 @ Computeruniverse)
Mouse: Logitech G502 Hero Wired Optical Mouse (€49.49 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €2740.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2025-07-13 02:51 CEST+0200
 
The main problem will be on the gpu side most AAA games these days you need a 5090 at 4k with DLSS to hit 120fps unless you are willing to settle for 60-70 fps and then use frame generation to get to 120 which imho isn't a very good gaming experience.... 120 ish to 240hz sure it's mostly fine but once you factor in the hit to your base framerate turning it on the artifacts and the increase input latency you need to be at 80+ which doesn't fit into 120hz display very well.

You also need to factor in games get about 12-15% more demanding each year.

I think I would get a nice 4k240hz monitor and that would open up performance upscaling and frame generation wouldn't be as bad on it.

Even with the Build @Bobaganoosh listed above that leaves you almost enough room for a decent monitor.

As close to fitting in your budget as I could do with a 5090 you might be able to cost optimize by going with a cheaper case etc.




Two most relevent charts from tpu imho mins and the resolution you plan to game at.
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Here some modern games that are really not that demanding compared to stuff with heavy RT etc
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Hello, wise tech wizards.
I want to get back into PC gaming, but I've been out of the game for 20 years.
A lot has happened in this PC jungle, and I can't see through it anymore. So I'm asking for your wisdom and magic to help an old fart like me find his gaming happiness.
Let the magic begin.



CPU
(Usage? First Gaming, Movies watching in 4k, surfing Internet,
Motherboard Wifi 7, Bluetooth 5.4, Usb 4 or less, HDMI 2.1, Overclocking i dondt know about it but in the Future of course i need.
Graphics Card Playing AAA Games 120fps or more.
RAM What i need for the Build
SSD's/HDD's 2TB fast ssd
Case Fractal Design Torrent Black , looks nice, Water cooling or cpu fan i dont know ?
Monitor i have a LG c1 tv, i buy a monitor later.
Operating System Windows 11
Peripherals
Mice, keyboard, i need this to
Cooling (CPU AMD, GPU i dondt know

BUDGET 2500€-3500€ I buy in Germany, Europe
PURPOSE OF THE BUILD most Gaming
ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE,i have nothing
OVERCLOCK OR NOT? Later yes
https://geizhals.de/msi-pro-b850-p-wifi-7e56-002r-a3383519.html
MSI PRO B850-P WIFI €173,99

https://geizhals.de/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-100-100000910-a2872867.html
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D €329,44

https://geizhals.de/id-cooling-frozn-a620-pro-se-a3228637.html
ID-COOLING FROZN A620 PRO SE €22,90

https://geizhals.de/patriot-viper-venom-rgb-dimm-32gb-pvv532g600c30k-a3204206.html
Patriot Viper Venom DDR5-6000 32GB (2x16GB) CL30 €91,73

MSI SPATIUM M470 PRO 2TB M.2 PCIe 4.0 x4 NVMe SSD €114,99

https://geizhals.de/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-5090-solid-oc-zt-b50900j-10p-a3382477.html
Zotac Gaming GeForce RTX 5090 Solid OC 32GB €2379,00

https://geizhals.de/montech-century-ii-gold-1200w-atx-3-1-a3483925.html
Montech Century II Gold 1200W ATX 3.1 €129,90

https://geizhals.de/montech-air-903-base-black-a2974660.html
Montech Air 903 Base €66,90

Total: €3308,25

https://geizhals.de/?fs=microsoft+windows+11+home&hloc=at&hloc=de
Microsoft Windows 11 Home €36,00

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