Is MSI screwing the end user

[candle_86]

Just over at the MSI forums to find some tips and such, and found out that products like the K8N Neo FSR are not even being made, if you buy a non diamond/platnium board you might as well forget tweaking. IT would seem to the end user they say if you buy budget you get stock, while i can get more OC possibilites on an ECS board in the same price range as an MSI. This should say something.

To MSI maybe its time you went back to making OEM only boards if you insist of screwing the end user like this.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

:So you are saying the MSI Neo2-FR can't be OC'ed? Because I pushed mine to 1700MHz FSB just fine.

I am not sure what you are saying. Are you saying the tech guys they hired don't try to help you OC?

PS I ordered two ECS boards a year apart and both showed up DOA. So I am not lucky with ECS.

 

[suraswami]

So what companies make their own boards and who label boards manufactured by somebody else?

I know Gigabyte and ECS makes their own boards.

 

[Deleted member 3]

So not supporting running hardware OUT OF SPEC is screwing the end user? Your logic is flawed there. If you don't like their budget products, you're free to buy other brands or pay more.

Like you said, ECS does offer what you want, buy ECS. That's how the market works.

 

[Darknova]

Just over at the MSI forums to find some tips and such, and found out that products like the K8N Neo FSR are not even being made, if you buy a non diamond/platnium board you might as well forget tweaking. IT would seem to the end user they say if you buy budget you get stock, while i can get more OC possibilites on an ECS board in the same price range as an MSI. This should say something.

To MSI maybe its time you went back to making OEM only boards if you insist of screwing the end user like this.

Bulls*** pure and simple.

MSI HQ forums give you all end of tips to overclocking any and all MSI boards, it's not run by MSI but is fully endorsed by them.

 

[b1lk1]

I have always run the budget MSI boards atleast once for every socket, AMD and Intel. They always overclocked just as well as the Platinum's. You're spewing out some seriously wrong info.

 

[cdawall]

i have no issue with MSI mobos but the last two i have had are the PT880 Neo2 and K7N2-delta so not exactly the low spec boards.

bottom level boards are not made for oc'ing thats just how it works. ECS offers a good budget compromise i would pick them over most other budget mobos just because i have had good luck with them even if there vcore options are often very lacking

 

[candle_86]

I have always run the budget MSI boards atleast once for every socket, AMD and Intel. They always overclocked just as well as the Platinum's. You're spewing out some seriously wrong info.

really why is the current board and all not Nforce 570 Ultra boards limited to a .5Voltage over stock then and no northbrige voltage?

As for there ocing section, its this simple, the mods and users tell you buy a better board, quite frankly if MSI wish's to keep my bussiness they need to change this, because When ECS offers better features over a big brand, that brand wont last long. Also note im not the only pissed off MSI user, sevral at there forums are and have since moved to ASUS and Gigabyte boards in the same price range. Hell there P31 Neo board wont let you OC cause P31 is low end, last time i checked P31 isnt excatly low.

 

[Darknova]

really why is the current board and all not Nforce 570 Ultra boards limited to a .5Voltage over stock then and no northbrige voltage?

Tried modbin at all? Chances are the options are there and are a simple check-box away.

My K8N Neo4-F had that. It had no control over the northbridge until I un-hid it via modbin. The budget boards from MSI normally use the BIOS's from higher-spec boards that just have things hidden. I even managed to make mine go up to 2.5v for vcore

 

[candle_86]

Tried modbin at all? Chances are the options are there and are a simple check-box away.

My K8N Neo4-F had that. It had no control over the northbridge until I un-hid it via modbin. The budget boards from MSI normally use the BIOS's from higher-spec boards that just have things hidden. I even managed to make mine go up to 2.5v for vcore

im about to test mine with modbin, but why should i have to do this?

 

[Darknova]

im about to test mine with modbin, but why should i have to do this?

Because you bought a BUDGET board?

Look, no offence but you obviously don't understand that when you buy a product it's rated to run at a certain speed, the manufacturer is under NO obligation to give you any options to change it from stock, and the fact you bought a budget board (that uses cheaper, lower quality parts than the lower end) means it will won't get as far as a higher-spec board (of course, there will always be exceptions).

The fact is that if you are an overclocker you need to be prepared for this kind of thing, and not expect the manufacturer to hand it you on a plate.

As for there ocing section, its this simple, the mods and users tell you buy a better board, quite frankly if MSI wish's to keep my bussiness they need to change this, because When ECS offers better features over a big brand, that brand wont last long.

I think we're reading different forums, link please?

 

[candle_86]

http://forum.msi.com.tw/index.php?topic=115186.0

 

[Darknova]

What is the point of your comment?

This thread is about a specific board, a budget board for the mainstream/low-end/low-price sector. It is not designed for OC use (just look at the layout and the cooling solution). Don't base generalization on what is true for one specific board. There are many other board models that are suited for OC use.

If you need assistence and advice on selecting an MSI board with better OC potential, please open your own thread, state what you are looking for in particular.

Quoted for Truth.

 

[candle_86]

Because you bought a BUDGET board?

Look, no offence but you obviously don't understand that when you buy a product it's rated to run at a certain speed, the manufacturer is under NO obligation to give you any options to change it from stock, and the fact you bought a budget board (that uses cheaper, lower quality parts than the lower end) means it will won't get as far as a higher-spec board (of course, there will always be exceptions).

The fact is that if you are an overclocker you need to be prepared for this kind of thing, and not expect the manufacturer to hand it you on a plate.




I think we're reading different forums, link please?

The point is who buys a brisbane chip at the low end to not OC it, if i wanted stock speeds i would have bought a windsor because at stock speeds they are faster than the brisbane due to higher cache lat in the brisbane. There is no point in a value overclocker if the boards do it cost as much as a top of the line chip. Also almost all nforce5 boards contain the ability to OC, thats what the chipset is for, and the biostar and ASUS variants OC very well, so why can't MSI compete?

 

[candle_86]

yea well guess what its a fucking AMI bios and AMI doesnt realease there tools, AMIBCP 8 is needed and thats only allowed out to devs and BNOBTC pack doesnt work for shit, none of the AMIBCP programs start. So in otherwords fuck you MSI. Im gonna return this shitty board and get a nice quality ECS board

 

[Wile E]

Do you need nForce 5? I had an nForce4 board that could do 342fsb, it's the same one Solaris has. DFI Infinity UltraII M2.

Anyway, what's the budget we're talking here?

 

[candle_86]

if you want id much rather straight swap it, and as long as it supports PCIe 1.1 and brisbane i could care less

who in there right minds uses AMI bios, its got to be the most user unfriendly bios out there

 

[candle_86]

but id send you say 60 for it, if it supports everything i want.

If thats what you wanna do, ill keep this MSI board and when that DFI board gets here take this MSI POS into a field and shoot it, and send that to MSI for RMA with an attachment, that inferior products cant take the real world, try harder

 

[Wile E]

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I wasn't offering mine in trade. I was just throwing out a suggestion, and asking budget to try to see if there's anything else out there that fills your needs.

 

[candle_86]

ah, quite frankly, i think i have it sold to a friend thats a total moron, let him have fun with it, im gonna go for a nice intel system, and next time ill use a single MSI product is when they hold a gun to my head. From this day on, i boycott MSI

 

[Wile E]

I can almost guaranty you would've been unhappy with an ECS board as well. Their voltage options are usually also crap.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I can understand both sides of the story....but to me, the moral of this tale is...."research your board before purchase"

I spend literally weeks browsing every corner of the internet to get the "heads up" on any potential boards I might be buying to weigh up weaknesses and strengths. We are very lucky now in many repects, for those of us who were overclocking 3+ years ago, there were much fewer enthusiast boards around then and I would guess even mid ranged boards in many cases had few overclocking options, i would probably go as far as to say probably over half of the boards available then were cr*p overclockers.....certainly in comparision with whats available today.

 

[PuMA]

I absolutely hated my first and only MSI k8neo4-fi board. The POS had 0.5V droop. after that i bought MSI 1950pro wich had POS cooler and no temp diode or fan control and the card cost me 20e more than the other. That was my last MSI product i will ever use.

 

[cdawall]

oh get a grip you payed for something you didn't research so it sounds like you didn't check if it was bad before you purchased it.


LOW BUDGET BOARDS SUCK BY ALL MANUF. go get yourself a gigabyte budget board i got want to know something NO OC options at all nothing...but it was the best deal i could find that supported a PD930 and AGP want to konw what the ECS board that "supported" it did it ran it @ a 100mhz bus speed so instead of a 3ghz piece of crap nutburst chip i got a 1.5ghz nutburst...way to go ECS!!!!!!!!

and now that ECS board has a shitty celly D 351 in it @3.72ghz and it would go a lot higher if i could get more than .03v out of the BIOS...yea they are great boards why don't you just by an OEM locked board it will do the same things thru windows :shadedshu

if you hate that you have no volt control mod the damn chip its simple to do and you can have as much voltage as you want

 

[PaulieG]

I can almost guaranty you would've been unhappy with an ECS board as well. Their voltage options are usually also crap.

Not only are their voltage options crap, but they have a very high failure rate. I use to do budget builds with ECS. I stopped using them about 2 years ago because I had too many clients coming back to me with dead boards. I've used MSI and Gigabyte budget boards for low end builds now. However, these systems are built for people who will never overclock.