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oh and an argument i have been saving for long, hard years.

To all the vista haters... do you remember XP's launch? WHEN IT HAD NO USB2.0 SUPPORT?
i do. shut the hell up. vista is not as bad as XP, at least it didnt forget a completely common and widely used format for no real reason.

*bad day at work*
 

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Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I don't hate Vista nay more than I hate XP which isn't any more than I hated Win98. I did, however, hate Win95 more than I hated Win98.

What I'm getting at is that it isn't really any better than XP. In some ways it is but in some ways it isn't. We're just trading one set of problems for another. At least they are different problems I suppose.
 
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I've never had any problems. A new os is going to have compatibility issues. Period. Other than that, who cares if it takes up more recourses. Yeah on my machine it uses a gig of ram more, so what? It runs just as smoothly with, to me at least, a much better interface (prettier, better organized).

I see what your saying Palit_Guy, but I think the move to the next os has been just as much as usual. Granted, I didn't have a PC a while ago, but I've used Windows since its been around and each new version is roughly the same as the last, with new features and a prettier and more intuitive interface. Its preference really.
 

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palit guys status, is more or less that he is neutral. vista has higher requirements, thus he stays XP as that is the only deciding factor. Correct, palitguy?
 

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oh and an argument i have been saving for long, hard years.

To all the vista haters... do you remember XP's launch? WHEN IT HAD NO USB2.0 SUPPORT?
i do. shut the hell up. vista is not as bad as XP, at least it didnt forget a completely common and widely used format for no real reason.

*bad day at work*

ah, but vista had 2.0 support its just slower then 2k/xp/2k3/x64pro and then got slowed down even more by sp1....lovely.

and i didnt jump on xp the day it hit, i had beta tested it and knew that it was just 2k with "go slower stripes" (luna)

i will post more later, i gotta setup a computer for my mother at her office for her employs to use on the net back later :)
 

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ah, but vista had 2.0 support its just slower then 2k/xp/2k3/x64pro and then got slowed down even more by sp1....lovely.

and i didnt jump on xp the day it hit, i had beta tested it and knew that it was just 2k with "go slower stripes" (luna)

i will post more later, i gotta setup a computer for my mother at her office for her employs to use on the net back later :)

vista isnt that slow, i can still do 50MB/s to my external hard drive over USB 2.0 - sure its 75-80MB/s over E-sata, but its certainly not as slow as people fear.
 

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One of the awesome parts of vista is that if you have a broadband connection its piss easy and incrediblty quick to get up and running, while with xp your left to install your drivers and such.
Part of what makes it more "noob-proof" IMO.
 

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I'm saying it's just as bad as XP. There are people out there that haven't ever had a problem with XP just same as there are people that haven't had a problem with Vista. There are even some people that don't understand what all the fuss was about WinME.

But there are plenty more people that have to put up with daily crashes and application hangs. It's totally a guess but I'd bet that the number of people that have trouble with Vista isn't any smaller than the number of people that have trouble with XP.

So, my original question was how is Vista better? Most responses are just that it isn't bad. There are a few that cite a particular case where one app or another runs faster but I don't think enough have been listed to say, ahh, ya, I get it- Vista is better.

I'm saying it's the same crap as the last one and things don't show any sign of improving.
 

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One of the awesome parts of vista is that if you have a broadband connection its piss easy and incrediblty quick to get up and running, while with xp your left to install your drivers and such.
Part of what makes it more "noob-proof" IMO.

vistas windowsupdate is a lot beyond XP's, for example: my 8800's under XP have no driver. Older cards get a generic D3D only, no OpenGL driver. Under vista, they not only download WHQL Nvidia drivers, they also include the software/control panel. My soundcard too, gets its full software package with the driver. Thats REALLY convenient, to be honest.
 

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vistas windowsupdate is a lot beyond XP's, for example: my 8800's under XP have no driver. Older cards get a generic D3D only, no OpenGL driver. Under vista, they not only download WHQL Nvidia drivers, they also include the software/control panel. My soundcard too, gets its full software package with the driver. Thats REALLY convenient, to be honest.

Lol I just realised we have the same GFX.
 

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Lol I just realised we have the same GFX.

i challenge you to clock yorus higher than mine :p

I also have an 8800GTX in my other PC, it was in this rig until recently.
 

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I've heard a lot of bad stuff about Vista, but I know two people who have it, and I never hear them complain about it at all (They are not really into computers, but come to me when they have issues). Personally, now that Windows 7 has been announced I'll wait to see how that turns out. If I'm going to upgrade my OS I want great reasons to do so, and cool, innovative and creative features [and lots of them preferably]. If Windows 7 fails to deliver I may go to Vista depending on how good of launch Windows 7 has.
 

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I've heard a lot of bad stuff about Vista, but I know two people who have it, and I never hear them complain about it at all (They are not really into computers, but come to me when they have issues). Personally, now that Windows 7 has been announced I'll wait to see how that turns out. If I'm going to upgrade my OS I want great reasons to do so, and cool, innovative and creative features [and lots of them preferably]. If Windows 7 fails to deliver I may go to Vista depending on how good of launch Windows 7 has.

It will require just as much as Vista if not more and have just as many issues as Vista did when it first came out. A lot of people are holding out until Windows 7, not sure why. It's like a shining star in their misty eyes or something.
 
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It will require just as much as Vista if not more and have just as many issues as Vista did when it first came out. A lot of people are holding out until Windows 7, not sure why. It's like a shining star in their misty eyes or something.
Well for me it would be a waste of money to get Vista now. I won't be building a system for a few years, and my current system is an old P4 478 socket Dell that shipped XP Pro.
 

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Well for me it would be a waste of money to get Vista now. I won't be building a system for a few years, and my current system is an old P4 478 socket Dell that shipped XP Pro.

looking at your specs, you could handle vista, but there wouldnt be much use. vista is optimised for faster systems.

Next time make the rig yourself eh? we'll give you a hand :)
 
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It will require just as much as Vista if not more and have just as many issues as Vista did when it first came out. A lot of people are holding out until Windows 7, not sure why. It's like a shining star in their misty eyes or something.

Windows 7 is being rebuilt from the ground up. Meaning new kernel, new GUI, new everything. No more of the whole Windows 95 look. The kernel is based around MinWin and the kernel size is about 25MB.
 

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Windows 7 is being rebuilt from the ground up. Meaning new kernel, new GUI, new everything. No more of the whole Windows 95 look. The kernel is based around MinWin and the kernel size is about 25MB.

but at the same time, its probably going to require 64 bit CPU's, hardware virtualisation (vx bit on most new intel chips) and things we just dont even know about yet. The OS is supposed to virtualise heavily, which to me just screams current CPU's without hardware support (allendales, celerons, etc) wont be able to run it.

Yes windows 7 is a step in the right direction, but it will come at a price.
 
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Its been mooted as being out next year my tip will be 2010 but then ive been wrong before.
 
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U should do the artwerk man ur a god with ps :p
 

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U should do the artwerk man ur a god with ps :p

Ill just buzz on the door of their headquarters lol.
"Heyz um, we're here to make sure u guys dont fuck up windows 7, kayz?"

*indicates backwards towards pvtcaboose etc who are waiting to enter the building*
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I'm saying it's just as bad as XP. There are people out there that haven't ever had a problem with XP just same as there are people that haven't had a problem with Vista. There are even some people that don't understand what all the fuss was about WinME.

But there are plenty more people that have to put up with daily crashes and application hangs. It's totally a guess but I'd bet that the number of people that have trouble with Vista isn't any smaller than the number of people that have trouble with XP.

So, my original question was how is Vista better? Most responses are just that it isn't bad. There are a few that cite a particular case where one app or another runs faster but I don't think enough have been listed to say, ahh, ya, I get it- Vista is better.

I'm saying it's the same crap as the last one and things don't show any sign of improving.

vista's "better" to many people because "it looks kool" thats about it, they like the "sweet areo look" funny part is there are plenty of ways to get the same gui exp under 2k/xp/2k3/x64pro without slowing the system down.

windowblinds5.5 and 6 for example, older windowblinds 4.5 and older did slow the system, but in my exp thats not been true for quite some time, and 6 really works wonderfully.

i hear more complaints about stuff not working under vista then any other os, many times the user blamed the program for the problem not realising its bugged because of a flaw in vista not the app.

not saying xp was any better, sp2 broke nic/wireless drivers for likke 96% of cards (numbers are what i remmber from those days and having to work around the problem for clients) some companys had already put out fixed drivers, most hadnt because ms didnt spicificly warrn them that there was gonna be a problem.

as to the delay of sp3, the same flaw applys to vista sp1 if you read the artical, and its only a VERY small % of users who would be effected, also have seen reports of fixes for it after a little googling, some being simple reg patches.

its not a big issue, just an annoing one for the few users who it acctualy effects.

but at the same time, its probably going to require 64 bit CPU's, hardware virtualisation (vx bit on most new intel chips) and things we just dont even know about yet. The OS is supposed to virtualise heavily, which to me just screams current CPU's without hardware support (allendales, celerons, etc) wont be able to run it.

Yes windows 7 is a step in the right direction, but it will come at a price.

acctualy as i hear it and read it(i talk to ppl i know who work for ms not just ppl online) they are going to support32bit CURRENTLY, the dev's dont want to tho, and virtulization isnt going to be requiered BUT will help alot in some aplications.

I am hoping for them to cut out the 9x support from the preinstalled os, just keep it clean, 2k and up support only by default, yes i still want to beable to install my older games and have them WORK LIKE THEY SHOULD!!!!
dos games and 9x games are best run on an era computer anyway, one they where designed to run on, probbly best to have a voodoo card as well since back then voodoo was KING PERIOD.

im thinking of going into buisness with a buddy making custom game boxes, not just for new games tho, making era correct builds for retro gamers, stuff back then that they couldnt afford but wanted, along with games they wanted to play.

hes building himself an era accurate copy of a game pc that dual pentium2 chips with sdr and dual voodoo2 cards, scsi hdd's, the works, all stuff thats era accurate, should be great for older games that love GLIDE mode :)
 
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