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14 nm "Broadwell" A True System-on-Chip (SoC)

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Just thinking out loud here, but what is the appeal for Intel to make PCIe lanes accessible to anything outside the PCH after everything does truly become a SoC?

They already have graphics, USB 3.0, Sata 6, etc.

I'm not trying to be doom and gloom here. Just thinking that outside of server stuff, it doesn't appear to me as if Intel has a compelling reason to make CPU PCIe lanes available.
 
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Just thinking out loud here, but what is the appeal for Intel to make PCIe lanes accessible to anything outside the PCH after everything does truly become a SoC?

They already have graphics, USB 3.0, Sata 6, etc.

I'm not trying to be doom and gloom here. Just thinking that outside of server stuff, it doesn't appear to me as if Intel has a compelling reason to make CPU PCIe lanes available.
Easier bandwidth; it's like taking the middleman out.
 

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Broadwell should be a tock, so it is a new architecture, not a shrink and like every Intel's tock it won't be compatible with the previous socket.
Haswell (tock) 1150-> Haswell Shrink (tick) 1150 -> Broadwell (tock) unknown socket :)
Actually Broadwell is supposed to be a Haswell die shrink from 22 nm to 14 nm.

Its successor architecture is supposed to be Skylake (14 nm), followed by Skymont (10 nm ?).
 

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I'm trying to imagine what will be the layout of the motherboard with no chipset. The producers will just make sure to have something to differentiate the base models and top models. And above all names to be attached to motherboards. Up to date are based on the chipset name.
 
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just looking at the picture, and looks like every time we have a chipset architecture change we get a big boost in performance. so skip Haswell and wait for Broadwell?
 
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just looking at the picture, and looks like every time we have a chipset architecture change we get a big boost in performance. so skip Haswell and wait for Broadwell?
I think you're reading it incorrectly. What you said is half correct, whenever we have a CPU Architecture change, we get a big boost in performance, not really chipset. So 22nm Haswell will be a big improvement, but 14nm Haswell will be a slight performance gain. Similar to how SB was a big jump in performance, but IB won't really be that huge.
 
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i can see the pros and cons to SOC... pros being power consumption and tdp, cons being the components that would normally be on a motherboard, if they go bad on the cpu there goes your cpu pretty much. overclockers may want to be extra careful with soc cpus.
 
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Actually Broadwell is supposed to be a Haswell die shrink from 22 nm to 14 nm.

Its successor architecture is supposed to be Skylake (14 nm), followed by Skymont (10 nm ?).
Yeah, I got it mixed up because the change to SoC made me think it would have been a tock.
Thanks ;)