• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

144Hz monitor fps

Joined
Dec 5, 2012
Messages
533 (0.20/day)
Processor i7 6900k @ 4.3GHZ
Motherboard MSI X99A Godlike Gaming Carbon
Cooling CPU/GPU loop with 480mm and 360mm radiators
Memory 32GB Corsair Dominator 3000MHz C15
Video Card(s) 2x EVGA 1080 SC ACX @ 1830/1330
Storage Samsung 950 Pro M.2 512GB, WD 2TB Black HDD
Case Corsair 900D
Power Supply EVGA 850W Gold 80 plus PSU
Software Windows 10 Pro
Hey guys,

I just had a quick question; if I have a 144Hz monitor, will I be able to see any difference between say 200 and 400 fps?
 

cdawall

where the hell are my stars
Joined
Jul 23, 2006
Messages
27,658 (5.61/day)
Location
Houston
System Name All the cores || Into the Blue
Processor 2990WX || 5960X
Motherboard Asrock X399M || Asus X99M WS
Cooling CPU-XSPC RayStorm Neo, 2x240mm+360mm, D5PWM+140mL, GPU-2x360mm, 2xbyski, D4+D5+100mL || TBD
Memory 4x8GB G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL16 || EVGA 3200 2x8GB
Video Card(s) (2) EVGA SC BLACK 1080Ti's || EVGA 1080Ti FE
Storage 2x Samsung SM951 512GB, Samsung PM961 512GB || OCZ Vector 180 480GB
Display(s) Dell UP2414Q 3840X2160@60hz || TBD
Case Caselabs Mercury S5+pedestal || Supermicro S5 (GS5A-753K)
Audio Device(s) Fischer HA-02->Fischer FA-002W High edition/FA-003/Jubilate/FA-011 depending on my mood
Power Supply Seasonic Prime 1200w || Seasonic Snow Silent 750w
Mouse Thermaltake Theron, Steam controller || TBD
Keyboard Thermaltake Poseidon ZX, Steam controller || Corsair K70
Software W10P || W10P
Joined
Dec 27, 2007
Messages
8,514 (1.93/day)
Location
Kansas City
System Name The Dove Box Rev 3.0
Processor i7 8700k @ 4.7GHz
Motherboard Asus Maximus X APEX
Cooling Custom water loop
Memory 16GB 3600 MHz DDR4
Video Card(s) 2x MSI 780 Ti's in SLI
Storage 500GB Samsung 850 PCIe SSD, 4TB
Display(s) 27" Asus 144Hz
Case Enermax Fulmo GT
Audio Device(s) ON BOARD FTW
Power Supply Corsair 1200W
Keyboard Logitech G510
Software Win 10 64x
I dont see any difference in significantly higher resolutions.

I do however hear significant coil wine with frames over 150. Lego games(I have kids :)) do this all the time and I have to enable VSync because its annoying.
 
Joined
Nov 19, 2012
Messages
752 (0.29/day)
System Name Chaos
Processor Intel Core i5 4590K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard MSI Z97 MPower MAX AC
Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer i30 + MX4
Memory 2x4 GB Kingston HyperX Beast 2400 GT/s CL11
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD7950 Vapor X, 800/1400 @ 1.075V/1.45V
Storage 256GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD + 1 TB WD Green (Idle timer off) + 320 GB WD Blue
Display(s) Dell U2515H
Case Fractal Design Define R3
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic SS-380GB
Mouse CM Storm Recon
Keyboard CM Storm Quickfire Pro (MX Red)
There's no way to see any difference as the monitor can only display up to 144 FPS. Besides, even your eye-brain system would have some trouble telling 200 FPS apart from 400 FPS, even if you had a monitor that could display images that fast.
 
Joined
Dec 5, 2012
Messages
533 (0.20/day)
Processor i7 6900k @ 4.3GHZ
Motherboard MSI X99A Godlike Gaming Carbon
Cooling CPU/GPU loop with 480mm and 360mm radiators
Memory 32GB Corsair Dominator 3000MHz C15
Video Card(s) 2x EVGA 1080 SC ACX @ 1830/1330
Storage Samsung 950 Pro M.2 512GB, WD 2TB Black HDD
Case Corsair 900D
Power Supply EVGA 850W Gold 80 plus PSU
Software Windows 10 Pro
Thanks for the replies guys. I had just watched this video
which suggests that you can actually tell the difference between say 200 and 500 fps on a 60Hz monitor. I'm not sure if what he's saying is correct though, what do you think?
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
15,925 (3.60/day)
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K at stock (hits 5 gees+ easily)
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (4 x 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme Edition
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Green 4TB
Display(s) BenQ XL2720Z | Asus VG278HE (both 27", 144Hz, 3D Vision 2, 1080p)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair HX 850W v1
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Thanks for the replies guys. I had just watched this video
which suggests that you can actually tell the difference between say 200 and 500 fps on a 60Hz monitor. I'm not sure if what he's saying is correct though, what do you think?
That video is perfectly correct, you can feel the difference and is something I've experienced myself. For the very lowest input lag, have the PC freewheeling (no vsync) with a very high framerate and on a 144Hz (165Hz for the latest models) monitor. Yes, you'll even notice the difference on a 60Hz monitor, although much of the benefit will be lost. Note you'll never get perfectly smooth animation if vsync is off though, but it's a price worth paying if you want the fastest reaction times.

This is because the PC is still reacting much faster to your mouse and keyboard inputs, which is noticeable even if the picture is only ever updated at 60Hz. I feel the video is being quite honest about his experience by saying he doesn't exactly know why this is, but that it's his experience.

You'll notice the difference most obviously on a fast twitch shooter like he's playing in the video.

It's interesting how he claimed that adaptive sync actually adds latency (input lag) at very high frame rates and it wouldn't surprise me if it's true as there is a very small amount of processing time associate with this technology. I've never used this though so can't speak from experience.
 
Joined
Feb 14, 2012
Messages
2,020 (0.70/day)
System Name msdos
Processor 8086
Motherboard mainboard
Cooling passive
Memory 640KB + 384KB extended
Video Card(s) EGA
Storage 5.25"
Display(s) 80x25
Case plastic
Audio Device(s) modchip
Power Supply 45 watts
Mouse serial
Keyboard yes
Software disk commander
Benchmark Scores still running
The game input lag will be a tiny bit less, which matters to twitch game players, but the on-screen won't be any different, except for the finer movement control frame to frame.
 
Joined
Nov 19, 2012
Messages
752 (0.29/day)
System Name Chaos
Processor Intel Core i5 4590K @ 4.0 GHz
Motherboard MSI Z97 MPower MAX AC
Cooling Arctic Cooling Freezer i30 + MX4
Memory 2x4 GB Kingston HyperX Beast 2400 GT/s CL11
Video Card(s) Sapphire HD7950 Vapor X, 800/1400 @ 1.075V/1.45V
Storage 256GB Samsung 840 Pro SSD + 1 TB WD Green (Idle timer off) + 320 GB WD Blue
Display(s) Dell U2515H
Case Fractal Design Define R3
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply Seasonic SS-380GB
Mouse CM Storm Recon
Keyboard CM Storm Quickfire Pro (MX Red)
It's interesting how he claimed that adaptive sync actually adds latency (input lag) at very high frame rates and it wouldn't surprise me if it's true as there is a very small amount of processing time associate with this technology. I've never used this though so can't speak from experience.
Makes sense, as constant/consistent latency is easy to get used to, but variable latency (the whole point of adaptive v-sync) is always noticeable as it's not something your brain can adjust to count on. There was an interesting experiment a little while back where people were asked to use a PC whose mouse had a lag of half a second between actuation (button press) and action. When the lag is removed after 10 minutes of use, the participants reported that the mouse was predicting their action, because their actions had immediate effect, whereas their brain expected a lag of 500 ms. This made it look like the mouse reacted half a second before any action was even taken :)
 

qubit

Overclocked quantum bit
Joined
Dec 6, 2007
Messages
15,925 (3.60/day)
Location
Quantum Well UK
System Name Quantumville™
Processor Intel Core i7-2700K at stock (hits 5 gees+ easily)
Motherboard Asus P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3
Cooling Noctua NH-D14
Memory 16GB (4 x 4GB Corsair Vengeance DDR3 PC3-12800 C9 1600MHz)
Video Card(s) Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme Edition
Storage Samsung 850 Pro 256GB | WD Green 4TB
Display(s) BenQ XL2720Z | Asus VG278HE (both 27", 144Hz, 3D Vision 2, 1080p)
Case Cooler Master HAF 922
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty PCIe
Power Supply Corsair HX 850W v1
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Makes sense, as constant/consistent latency is easy to get used to, but variable latency (the whole point of adaptive v-sync) is always noticeable as it's not something your brain can adjust to count on. There was an interesting experiment a little while back where people were asked to use a PC whose mouse had a lag of half a second between actuation (button press) and action. When the lag is removed after 10 minutes of use, the participants reported that the mouse was predicting their action, because their actions had immediate effect, whereas their brain expected a lag of 500 ms. This made it look like the mouse reacted half a second before any action was even taken :)
Yeah, that's a good point. When upgrading my PC to a significantly faster one in the past, I've joked about how things happen before I've even clicked the mouse. After a while the effect of course wears off.
 
Joined
Dec 27, 2015
Messages
407 (0.27/day)
Location
Nantucket, MA/Kennesaw, GA
System Name Project Gray Scale
Processor i7 6900k
Motherboard ASUS x99 Deluxe
Cooling Custom Water Cooled
Memory Corsair Dominator Platinum 32GB DDR4 2400 CL10 (4 x 8GB)
Video Card(s) MSI Aero OC GTX 1080Ti
Storage Samsung 960 EVO 500GB NVMe, 2 - Samsung 840 EVO 1TB (RAID 0)
Display(s) Acer XF270HU
Case InWin 303 Black
Audio Device(s) Sound Blaster SB-Zx
Power Supply Seasonic 760 XP2
Mouse Fnatic Flick G1
Keyboard iKBC New Poker II (Type-c) w/ Cherry MX Browns
Software Windows 10 Pro
I personally always shut off vsync, but I can see where if I left it on and it would lock in at 60fps+ it would be more fluid
 
Top