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Ok cool thanks.
Do you guys think that any Intel Z390 CPU will perform better on the same price as 3900X? Or i will have to go for the i9X CPU's in order to beat the 3900X?
Its a toss up if you ask me if you consider a broad set of workloads. When you consider only gaming, and want high refresh rates more than anything, then a 9900K or 9700K is the way to go. But really that is just about that last 5% best case and only if you want to OC them. I'd weigh other things more heavily at this point, such as the higher number of tweaks Intel needs to deploy to keep its CPUs safe (and get pushed to you through Windows microcode on the regular) whereas AMD seems to come out winning every time and has much better mitigation in place, even on a hardware level. Another factor is heat - Intel K CPUs with an OC are hot as hell and you will spend extra on cooling. Ryzen has the advantage of a solid XFR mode that performs as well as your OC efforts on it, or better, while not cooking itself.

A con for AMD Ryzen is still in some measure the platform, which is still very much being improved and not at a stability that Intel Core can offer right now. But maybe as an enthusiast it is that much more interesting to see it improve anyway :) With the off chance the CPU will do better over time as well.

Board choice can also be a factor. I'd look into boards on both sides and see if there are any reasons to get Ryzen 3rd gen - that relates for example to PCIe 4.0 and storage options.
 
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I am personally sitting on a 1700x(which still honestly does fine), and waiting for the 3950x to drop, just to see if prices shuffle anymore.
 
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1. Buying a card like the kingpin and "never overclocking anything" is just throwing money away. The reason you spend an extra 40% of more for a kingpin was it was important to be 2 fps % faster than your buddy. Cards like the Kingpin became irrelevant with the 7xx series in 2013. While the PCB componentry is vastly superior Boost 3 negates any advantage that might otherwise be gained bu tose PCB components.

2. Given your stated usage, I see no reason to upgrade anything but the GFX card. Just buy the appropriate card for your budget. Now I should note here that AMD agressively clocks their cards :in the box". As a result thry have very little OC headroom. Very often you will see am AND card will have for example a 1% - 3% advantage in the box. But while they might OC 3 - 8 %, nViudia cards will OC 12 - 18 % over reference. OC'ing is a simple thing. You install the software, seek out a review and copy the settings. You final stable OC will be a small percnatge up or down from thois settings. In this day and age, seeing a box where an OC has not been applied to the GPU is a rare thing. Here's an example


We ended up with the following settings:
  • Temp Target 88 Degrees C
  • Power Limiter: 111%
  • CPU clock + 100 MHz
  • Mem clock +850 MHz
  • Voltage +100%
  • FAN RPM default"

Keep that difference in mind when choosing a card... when you include that OC boost as well a spower, noise and operating temps, I have a hard time recommending any AMD card above the $265 price point (GTX 166 Ti).

Ya didnt state a budget but should it be available... the number 1 thing to keep in mind is "Don't overbuy"

1. Don't by a K series CPU if you don't intend to OC.
2, Pay no attention to die size, you don't pay moire or get more performance because a die is bigger or smaller.
3. Pay no attention to # of cores unless you have an application that benefits from them. You don't.
4. A budget and a location would be a big help.

Intel 9900 - £443.18
Intel 9900K - £489.18
Intel 9900KF -£459.40
AMD - £520.00

Relative Gaming Performance

Music

You can look at the reviews here on TPU to see if there's any application that would make it worthwhile to pay more money for the 3900X... the 9900KF (Basically a 9000k w/o a IGP which since you using a GFX card is likely useless). The 9900KF wilis faster in gaming, faster in ever day stuff, faster in office apps, faster in Adobe premier and faster in Adobe Photoshop. So unkess your music interests bring a usage frequency and multi core need to the table, i see no applicability for the 3900x in the $450 - $525 budget range.

If it's all about gaming and keeping the budget down, then it's between the AMD (£188.89 ) 3600 and 5 3600 and the Intel 9600 (£228.59 ) ot 9600k (£217.98 ) ... the the 29 euro, I like the 9600k.

I hate to go further in that there are too many unknowns.... but make sure to a) focus on the apps you use, not how good a particular CPU might be in irrelevant benhmarks or apps you never use b) Don't ober buy ... whie you don't need a $500 MoBo i dont see value in buying low budget boards with limited potential and substandard on board sunsystems. B and h series boards for example... if thay have ALC 1220 sound subsystems. they generally cost the same as Z oir X series boards.

I'd focus on a monitor and GFX card now and look at that other stuff mayb ein 2020. With 4k not as yet ready foir prime time and ridiculously expensive dor anythiung of quality($1500+) and still no motin blur reduction, I find the ebest gaming experience available is on 1440p IPS screens with Au Optroinic panels. Acer XB271HU (£579.00 ) / Acer PF279Q (£684.01)... Initially both were using the same AuOptronics 165 hz, IPS 10 bit panel but Asus has reportedly switched to a less expensive 8 bit panel.

When ya have a budget and more info on ya location and applications / usages, we can take another look.
 

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1. Buying a card like the kingpin and "never overclocking anything" is just throwing money away. The reason you spend an extra 40% of more for a kingpin was it was important to be 2 fps % faster than your buddy. Cards like the Kingpin became irrelevant with the 7xx series in 2013. While the PCB componentry is vastly superior Boost 3 negates any advantage that might otherwise be gained bu tose PCB components.

2. Given your stated usage, I see no reason to upgrade anything but the GFX card. Just buy the appropriate card for your budget. Now I should note here that AMD agressively clocks their cards :in the box". As a result thry have very little OC headroom. Very often you will see am AND card will have for example a 1% - 3% advantage in the box. But while they might OC 3 - 8 %, nViudia cards will OC 12 - 18 % over reference. OC'ing is a simple thing. You install the software, seek out a review and copy the settings. You final stable OC will be a small percnatge up or down from thois settings. In this day and age, seeing a box where an OC has not been applied to the GPU is a rare thing. Here's an example


We ended up with the following settings:
  • Temp Target 88 Degrees C
  • Power Limiter: 111%
  • CPU clock + 100 MHz
  • Mem clock +850 MHz
  • Voltage +100%
  • FAN RPM default"

Keep that difference in mind when choosing a card... when you include that OC boost as well a spower, noise and operating temps, I have a hard time recommending any AMD card above the $265 price point (GTX 166 Ti).

Ya didnt state a budget but should it be available... the number 1 thing to keep in mind is "Don't overbuy"

1. Don't by a K series CPU if you don't intend to OC.
2, Pay no attention to die size, you don't pay moire or get more performance because a die is bigger or smaller.
3. Pay no attention to # of cores unless you have an application that benefits from them. You don't.
4. A budget and a location would be a big help.

Intel 9900 - £443.18
Intel 9900K - £489.18
Intel 9900KF -£459.40
AMD - £520.00

Relative Gaming Performance

Music

You can look at the reviews here on TPU to see if there's any application that would make it worthwhile to pay more money for the 3900X... the 9900KF (Basically a 9000k w/o a IGP which since you using a GFX card is likely useless). The 9900KF wilis faster in gaming, faster in ever day stuff, faster in office apps, faster in Adobe premier and faster in Adobe Photoshop. So unkess your music interests bring a usage frequency and multi core need to the table, i see no applicability for the 3900x in the $450 - $525 budget range.

If it's all about gaming and keeping the budget down, then it's between the AMD (£188.89 ) 3600 and 5 3600 and the Intel 9600 (£228.59 ) ot 9600k (£217.98 ) ... the the 29 euro, I like the 9600k.

I hate to go further in that there are too many unknowns.... but make sure to a) focus on the apps you use, not how good a particular CPU might be in irrelevant benhmarks or apps you never use b) Don't ober buy ... whie you don't need a $500 MoBo i dont see value in buying low budget boards with limited potential and substandard on board sunsystems. B and h series boards for example... if thay have ALC 1220 sound subsystems. they generally cost the same as Z oir X series boards.

I'd focus on a monitor and GFX card now and look at that other stuff mayb ein 2020. With 4k not as yet ready foir prime time and ridiculously expensive dor anythiung of quality($1500+) and still no motin blur reduction, I find the ebest gaming experience available is on 1440p IPS screens with Au Optroinic panels. Acer XB271HU (£579.00 ) / Acer PF279Q (£684.01)... Initially both were using the same AuOptronics 165 hz, IPS 10 bit panel but Asus has reportedly switched to a less expensive 8 bit panel.

When ya have a budget and more info on ya location and applications / usages, we can take another look.
Thanks for your reply. I get what you mean.
First post states budget,buying place and everything
 
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replace board and CPU above with a 9700 non K and a Z390 board of your choice and budget.
I would like to add that the OP should he chose to go this route could buy a B365 instead such as the asrock B365 phantom gaming 4. B365 boards support new non-k CPUs out of the box and the asrock board i mentioned has all the features, connections, ports and RGB bluff as a modest Z390 board all while being priced at 109$. Kitguru reviewed it and it has proven to handle a 9900k under full load without issue :)
 
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Keep that difference in mind when choosing a card... when you include that OC boost as well a spower, noise and operating temps, I have a hard time recommending any AMD card above the $265 price point (GTX 166 Ti).
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If you buy CPU for gaming years to come, it should be an 8 core. PS5 and next Xbox will be using 8 core ryzen, so beyond that it's a waste, but 6 core could be too conservative, on the other hand.
 
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Thanks for all the help you guys.
I will definitely have to buy a monitor now since my other one died and also have to go with a new graphics card most probably with the 2080 Ti.
I wanted to wait a bit more for the new 3000 series next year but 2080 Ti will be around for long i guess plus i think is a beast.
As for the main upgrade half the comments were for the 3900X half for the Intel so i will have to think carefully.
 
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Thanks for all the help you guys.
I will definitely have to buy a monitor now since my other one died and also have to go with a new graphics card most probably with the 2080 Ti.
I wanted to wait a bit more for the new 3000 series next year but 2080 Ti will be around for long i guess plus i think is a beast.
As for the main upgrade half the comments were for the 3900X half for the Intel so i will have to think carefully.
You can't really go wrong with either one. Enjoy the rig man! going to be a beast...
 
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Why?
1. Because it's the only flavour that is likely to take a 9th gen out of the box as the H and lower series boards likely will need a Bios flash, the OP does not appear to be an enthusiast.
2. Features and longevity (if there is such a think with Intel).
3. Future options should he wish to give overclocking a go and maybe upgrade to more cores or go multi GPU, Z boards have better power delivery generally.
4. He does not overclock but he currently has a K series CPU and a high end board.
I agree.
Generally, the Z series have better boards, better power phase designs, more features. Processor overclocking is a minor part of the feature set especially in these days of parts that don't overclock well beyond factory turbo due to thermal constraints.
If I was in your place, I'd probably go for a 3900X. Don't know a good board, maybe an MSI X570 MEG Ace?
 
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All you need right now is a monitor and a graphics card.

Upgrade the rest later on, after you've seen how the new graphics card performs with your current system.
Chances are that you'll keep it as it is for another year, but you'll never find out if you won't give your current system a go.
 
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I own both a 9900k and 3900X system go with whatever ones cheaper.

I would lean towards recommending the 3900X but there is pretty much 0 chance you'll be disappointed by either.
 
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